[Nomad77]

I have a theory about how these "alpha" men, so many seek to emulate, are created. I believe these men are created by women not men. Specifically they are the product of women that look to their sons for protection and resources. I am willing to bet that a large percentage of "alpha" male are the product of single mothers who were not financially stable and had to struggle to provide for their children. A lot of these alpha's are probably also a first born, eldest son. Alpha's are the product of years of having to carry this burden and becoming good enough to do so. I don't believe they are created by some kind of drill sergeant shouting at them to be a man. It's just not enough time. True alpha's are a product of years of conditioning and they are driven by a deep sense of responsibility to their mothers and other siblings. This kind of conditioning and drive cannot be created by a few months of some boot camp or pick up course. And certainly the drive to be this way cannot just be manufactured at will.

There are less alpha's now simply because there are more stronger mothers and even if the mother cannot provide we have a state that will. There are less alpha's because the need for boys to become one is simply no longer there. The alpha's of the past were a product of a time when their very survival depended on it. Today, those factors are simply not in play. Boys today are like lions raised in a zoo. They will never learn how to hunt because they never needed to.

To see a real life example of this watch the movie Shaka Zulu:

[Nomad77]

I also believe "naturals" are a product of women but that should be another thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35282.html

You also don't need to be either an alpha or natural to get a lot of girls today. I know quite a few guys that are neither and
they get lots of girls. Where being an alpha or natural really helps is in getting the top girls.

[Foolsgo1d]

Aggressive men from female dominated families are not blinded by women as easy from what I have seen.

For years these guys saw shit dumped on them because of what a female did and for years he was thinking; "so she did this and I get the shit thrown at me?"

Perfect example; some friend during HS told me this and he has three sisters.

He brought a girl home with his parents permission, made out with her and that was that, he was happy. Sisters had done this before without parents permission and they were older than him.

They have snuck guys into the house before but when he had legitimate permission to invite a girl and they found out they blew up in their parents face and from there on he couldn't invite the girl back and the girls parents didn't want him round their place either.

The three sisters? Oh they kept on sneaking their boyfriends in and eventually became not so sneaky about it. "oh james is coming over for an hour"

That was his moment of clarity at the age of 15. He pretty much slayed women past the age of 18 with reckless authority before going off to University and I lost touch with him.

[Nomad77]

I guess it could work either way. We are capable of developing great abilities regardless of the source of the motivation as long as it's there. The naturals I have met, or at least the guys I considered naturals, never did what they did from a source of anger. It was from a source of love, these guys love women, they didn't hate them.

[soup]

Interesting theory. Where there is no masculine force, the boy is forced to become a man at an early age. This reminds me if the theory of the Oedipal victor.

It's not so much that the woman makes the alpha, it's the absence of a dependable father figure. The boy needs to learn to fend for himself. I know guys- players whose fathers weren't there all the time.

[Foolsgo1d]

(04-20-2014 10:00 AM)soup Wrote:  

Interesting theory. Where there is no masculine force, the boy is forced to become a man at an early age.

If that is true why do boys get a shock to their system when put in the company of men?

Another example. Going onto a construction site for the first time as a labourer/brickie. You get the shit taken out of you all day everyday until you grew a thick skin or left.

You cant just "become" something you're not adapted to from experience IMO.