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Does this set a precedent for enforcing male-only space?
04-15-2014, 10:52 AM
To be honest there are probably existing ways to enforce male only spaces. A few of the original London clubs around St James are still "gentlemen only", or are nominally "co-ed", but have very few women and certain rooms/times which are for men only. I know because when I was in London I knew a woman who would get a kick out of creeping into these rooms to check them out when a guest of a (male) member. She was cool though - not as bad as it sounds.
I think there is a small, but not insignificant market for a classic St James style gentleman's club in many big Western cities for straight men. They end up being very expensive though. Given the space needed and the fact that they almost have to be in an expensive district of an expensive city we're talking many $1,000's for an annual membership. Compared to a health club for example a classic gentleman's club could only have a small fraction of members per square metre.
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Does this set a precedent for enforcing male-only space?
04-15-2014, 11:59 AM
I think there are places where this will still fly for heterosexual men, but not in the West for the most part. At least not and ADVERTISED men's-only space. If men can establish a space purely by word-of-mouth, maybe they can pull it off. But the second women find out about it, they'll seek to destroy it. What I found most interesting about the linked story was that there are women out there with a mission of turning gay men straight, and that this practice is prevalent enough for gay men to seek a space where they're "safe" from these predators!
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Does this set a precedent for enforcing male-only space?
04-15-2014, 12:31 PM
I doubt men go to a male only space and ask them to pay for the same goods available in other places, just to afford the lack of women (who incite men to spend big bucks). If they had exclusive products, drinks, liquor brands- possibly. But then it becomes hideously expensive.
In a way, capitalism has fostered a culture of exclusivity. If you are filthy rich, chances are you are spending time between an office in New York, home in the Hamptons, vacation on a yacht in Cannes during film festivals, stopovers in Monaco, etc. You need never step in a Walmart or public bus. In the vein of Lion of the Blogosphere, rich people are bourgeois bohemian, or 'bobo'; they simply live covertly until they all coalesce in ultra rich meetups like Cannes.
If the system encourages you to make multibillion dollar efforts to obtain that exclusivity, the system will bring the hammer down on middle class attempts to give space back to men only.
P.S. I cant think of anything more powerful to the female hamster than exclusivity. Notice that with normal men, excluding women will first make them want it, but that soon turns to boiling hatred and abandonment; attempts to shame or ostracize. If this story starts a trend, we might see women come to despise gay men for 'excluding' them...