Quote: (04-12-2014 09:17 AM)scorpion Wrote:
Something for non-whites to keep in mind when considering this issue is the fact that white genes are recessive. What does this mean? Look at Barack Obama, who is half black and half white, and yet who looks black, self identifies as black, and is universally regarded as "the first black President". And rightfully so: the guy is clearly black.
I was going to bail out of this thread, but I have to reply to this because there is some stuff worth clearing up and you aren't alone in saying what you said above.
No, he is
not clearly black, and certainly
not rightfully so. Obama looks like exactly what he is, someone that is equal part European and equal part African. Because of the one-drop rule, Americans have a very diluted and distorted notion of what "black" is. Outside of America, Obama isn't considered black, he's considered mixed. Most the black Americans you see aren't full black. My grandfather who literally could pass for a white was considered "black" oddly.
I'll put Obama's picture next to a true black man, i.e. someone with 100% African genetics and you can clearly see that they don't even look like the same race.
Now this is a
real black from south Sudan:
Side by side, the two men look nothing alike. In fact I'd say Obama looks closer to Caucasian than he does to this African soldier. These two don't even look like they belong to the same race. So if we are being technical about it, it's a bit silly to call them both black in the same sense. Once again let me emphasize, in America we have a very liberal notion of what a black person is that most countries don't share. Mixed people aren't considered black in England. In Brazil Obama would never be considered black. Outside of America black means you look like you could be from Africa. In America it means anything, even someone like Rasheeda Jones or Derek Jeter, either of which could pass for Italian.
Now do I refer to Obama as black? Yes. Because that's how most Americans will see him due to the legacy of the one-drop rule. And to a racist white, Obama is just another nigger. But I realize if I'm looking at this from a genetic standpoint, no he isn't black, he's mixed. And when put next to a black that isn't mixed, he all of a sudden doesn't look all that black at all.
One another thing I wanted to address because this gets thrown around a lot is the recessiveness of white phenotype. There's a lot of disinformation about genes and heredity. I'm assuming by white features, you are referring to things like white skin color, Caucasian facial structure, blonde hair and blue eyes. As it turns out none of these features are actually recessive. A recessive trait is one that involves a single gene which is expressed as either on or off. Racial features don't work this way since there area multitude of genes that determine any one racial feature such as skin color. If someone of pure black African and pure white European mix, the result will be intermediary, a caramel complexion like Obama. The same with facial features that are thought of as Caucasian or Negroid. These aren't dominant or recessive, results will be intermediary. Hair and eye color it's more complicated but it turns out blonde hair is not recessive. It's better explained here:
http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneti...ive-traits
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It's also disingenuous to post pictures of models as being the standard look of mixed race people, especially when most of the models have white features.
I didn't say they were the standard. When Samseau said the ones featured were unattractive, Giovanny noted that they probably did that because of the audience that reads NG. I then noted that they just as easily could've chose more attractive examples of mixed race people and I provided some examples, since Samseau seems to think that mixing makes people ugly. I didn't say those models were "standard". The fact is mixed or not mixed, few people are extremely attractive. Though I would say
on average, people with mixed heritage tend to be more attractive. And research shows that many agree:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...study.html
The reason behind this is that mixed people tend to be closer to the human mean. As we see with facial averaging studies, when you make
a facial composite of averages, the first thing you note is how attractive these faces look. It's because you averaging out extreme features, those features that tend to make people unattractive.
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The pictures of the normal mixed race people in this thread are much more indicative of how they look, which clearly show a lack of white futures (again, due to the recessive nature of white genes).
If you don't see white features in any of those faces you aren't paying attention. Some of them merely look like Spaniards to me, for example the dude at the bottom right corner. The one woman with the grey hair doesn't even look mixed to me at all, she just looks like a regular white woman.
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The hypocrisy of non-whites here is astounding. Imagine me cheerleading in a thread and applauding a future without black people? Literally cheering for blacks to be bred out of existence. That would be extremely fucked up. Yet that is what this article is doing for whites, and people have no problem with it, and even defend it.
Look, you cannot breed out whites without also breeding out the race you are breeding them with. Just like you can't pour a bucket of black paint into a bucket of white paint without also diluting the pure black color and turning it into grey. So stop acting like this targets only whites. It doesn't.
And if America becomes mixed, so what? So what's the alternative? That we make it illegal to race mix? Bring back segregation? Short of doing that, you aren't going to stop people from marrying across color lines. Aren't there many more important things that define people than what they look like?
Quote: (04-12-2014 05:32 AM)BruceCreatine Wrote:
Websites mainly written by white men, that espouse non-PC views about the world and society and you're surprised white nationalist are involved?
Being non-PC has nothing to do with it. And you didn't address my question and went completely around it. Since the main reason whites are disappearing is due to below replacement level fertility, wouldn't white nationalists aims be better met by encouraging whites to marry young and have large families? Why are white nationalists trying to have promiscuous lifestyles knowing that will lead to the destruction of their race?
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I'm more surprised that black men come on here than white nationalists.
I don't really go on any other manosphere sites than this one for the very reasons you point out. This one has some prominent black posters past and present and I feel more comfortable here than a place like Heartiste.
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Basically minorities can be proud of their side whereas white people are discouraged from doing so. White people have a lot of great history and being proud of being white is a good thing.
I couldn't care less if whites are proud of being white. So long as it's not based on hatred. But obviously "white pride" as such raises more skepticism because of the history. When blacks organized for their interests you got Martin Luther King. When whites organized for their interests you got Hitler.