[Nomad77]

I use to get upset about American women behavior. They seem so superficial and flaky, especially in Miami. But over time I have come to a better understanding of them that I believe will work better in your favor: American women are children. If you think of American women as children you will get much further with them and won't get upset as much.

So how are they like children?

1. The have extremely short attention spans.
2. The are almost completely ego centric: me centered.
3. They basically live in the moment - what's going on right now.
4. The love attention.
5. They are not intelligent enough to have any kind of deep conversation with. You don't talk to a child about any kind of really intellectual stuff.
6. The have to be lead and told what to do.
7. There are always interested in the latest toy.
8. As the adult you have to be the one to lead and carry the interaction.

Children live in the moment. If you want to get a child's attention what do you do? You have to interrupt them with a shiny toy or experience. They will go anywhere with you for the promise of a fun time. If someone else comes along and offer them a newer toy or experience they will completely forget about you. They love to talk about themselves and to be the center of attention. If you have ever played or spent any significant amount of time with a child then you will know exactly what I am talking about.

Once I started viewing American women as children I no longer got upset with them. You can't get upset with a child for acting like one. But what it also means is that you have to assume the role of the adult and simply take charge of the interaction. It also means that whatever your interaction is with them that day, that by the next day, it's pretty much forgotten. Just like children, shiny things and experiences attract them. Like a shiny new car, or a shiny clothes, or a shiny new club. Once you start thinking of American women as children and start interacting with them as such, you will be much happier with the results and your expectations.

PS The one exception to how they are different than children is that they are not curious. Don't expect any kind of puzzle or test to interest them.

[unbowed]

The point of no return is when we give children adult responsibilities and spoil them with a ton of toys.

[ShooterMikgavin]

So true. The one thing they are curious about is gossip and superficial shit, ie: whos my ex sleeping with; is did sarah see my text and not answer. Anything past this problematic for their juvenile brains to ponder or fake any interest in.

[Nomad77]

@unbowed Yep, that is exactly what is happening in the US with both the women and the real children.

[Tengen]

ROK Dupe: http://www.returnofkings.com/8704/all-gi...d-children

[loveblondes]

(03-15-2014 06:04 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

So how are they like children?

1. The have extremely short attention spans.
2. The are almost completely ego centric: me centered.
3. They basically live in the moment - what's going on right now.
4. The love attention.
5. They are not intelligent enough to have any kind of deep conversation with. You don't talk to a child about any kind of really intellectual stuff.
6. The have to be lead and told what to do.
7. There are always interested in the latest toy.
8. As the adult you have to be the one to lead and carry the interaction.

I dont want to sound hateful here, but from my traveler experience it doesnt apply only to the american Women but to Americans in general, they seem quite emotionally immature and insecure compared to other nationalities. They also seem to have problems of concentration and suffer quite often of short span attentions. The same applies to people from other anglospheric nations but on lesser extent. I don't want to play the hater's role but when I meet and talk to non-anglo person and then I have any sort of connection, specially of emotional character with a person from the anglosphere (more so being america) there are worlds apart in difference.

As a friend told me.. the US is good for job opportunities and earning money for a while, however after a couple of years having earned the money you consider enough the better choice is to leave.. america can give you anything but love and feeling comfortable with yourself, let alone being geniunely loved by others ..

[Nomad77]

@Tengen Nice, similar idea but not identical and worth repeating anyway. A lot of people on here don't read ROK that much. I never saw that article for example.

Couple of differences:

1. I don't think most guys want to bang their little sisters. So creating that association does not help in my opinion.
2. I don't think this applies to a lot of women outside of the US.
3. It doesn't address some of the points I made on here.

[Nomad77]

@loveblondes This is true. This is why I call America my office.

[Vitriol]

(03-15-2014 06:04 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I use to get upset about American women behavior. They seem so superficial and flaky, especially in Miami.

Dude, I never even talk to American women in Miami anymore unless they're bagging my groceries or serving me a beer or something. With all the foreign pussy around here, why waste more than a minute dealing with their shitty attitudes? It's pretty easy to avoid. When you see a girl talking really loud in English and playing with her Iphone, you can flag her instantly.

[Nomad77]

Ye, unfortunately, once a foreign girl has been here for more than 6 months she's pretty much Americanized by then. That leaves only the tourist girls who come here on vacation. And this problem is spreading worldwide as women adopt American women attitude and behavior.

[Felix88]

I don't have much experience with American women because I avoid them whenever I can from limited experiences I have with them, but I always laugh my ass off whenever I heard American women complaint about the childishness of Japanese and East Asian girls in general, at least the childishness(the right amount, of course) of Japanese girls is cute and attractive unlike the "mature" western women.

[blueshark747]

Some of you speak so low of American women, but are quick to fly down to Miami and learn games and several tactics to try and lay Miami women...who indeed can be some of the lowest pond scum of American women.

Somehow places like Miami LA Vegas are some sort of exception here, because I keep seeing those datasheets in the Travel section.

Also being a well traveled observant young man I don't see it as an American thing but with women in general, I've been to tons of other places where the women are just as horrible.

Especially with being compared to reasoning and using logic to children, SEA women def take the cake IMO

These women are generally more feminine than American women but they are just as silly, wannabe manipulative and just as big of liars as American women.

With the least being FSU women.

[Biologist]

This is so true, and it can be extended to pretty much all Western women.

Most Western women are like children because from birth they have spoilt by their parents, and then in adulthood they have been spoilt by men wanting to get in their pants.

Most of them have absolutely no understanding of the meaning of responsibility or hard work.

[berserk]

(03-16-2014 01:56 AM)blueshark747 Wrote:  

Especially with being compared to reasoning and using logic to children, SEA women def take the cake IMO

This is true. SEA women are essentially big children and never grow up.

The women who have had the most to offer in the conversational department have been EE.

I do find a lot of americans to be superficial, for some reason, it seems like they seem less self-aware, if I can put it like that. Like they have this persona that takes over their actual personality. It feels like talking to a used car salesman a lot of the time. It is most likely only cultural difference though as witnessed by this forum and many other places there are plenty of very smart and personable americans.

[Nomad77]

One thing you must understand about America is that it's a huge country with over 350 million people. Because of this just 1% of any kind of person will equal to over 3 million people which is more than some countries. Are there American women that are ok with good attitude and mind - absolutely. Finding one out of that 350 million is just a little more difficult. I should know, I have met some...

[tiggaling]

Often times, it is useful to find a filter so you can narrow down the one's you want to spend time with.

It could be an event, some of sort interest, even a workshop or seminar or a place where you think quality will appear.

Good social circles are the best filters IMO. It is the default way most people filter out the riff raff and you'll find when you hit a good quality crowd (I mean decent and aware people of sound mind who are interesting) that a lot of these people all know each other or are just a connection apart despite your city being 4 million people or whatever.

[Nomad77]

For me personally I just don't find most American girls that sexual attractive. I think some of them are pretty but once I start interacting with them I lose my attraction. If I could just meet them and we go bang in 30 mins it would be ok.

[blueshark747]

After living in Kyrgyzstan for 2 years dating nothing but FSU bred women I actually missed the childish silly humor softer vibe of American women.
Russian women are more feminine indeed, but sometimes that super conservative cold sarcastic crap can get quite old and boring and sometimes makes you wanna slap a duck in the mouth.

I'm personally not attracted to women with conservative serious personalities.
I like adventurous women with a little edge, but very sensual in bed.

Only women I've met that fit that vibe are

American White women 18-25.
Brazilian Women 18-25
Ethiopian Women 18-25

[True Killa]

American women are immature? Not at all. Go to Asia, come back, and we will talk. I do have to admit that European women are more mature. Again, it depends on who you compare them with.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

Women are like children. American culture has failed to treat them as such.

[The Beast1]

I'll probably get bashed here, but not all women are like children. I have a close lady friend who all of you guys would paint as a pretty red pill lady. However, she's the exception.

The trick with women is to treat them like children: Talk to them with a patronizing voice, play little tricks on them, and honestly just play with them like you would a 6 year old.

[Distant Light]

Never could relate to all this stuff, IMO it starts with the man...

If your an actual "fascinating man" women will calibrate to you and/or try there best to cater to your criteria/boundaries. Issue is most men don't have any of that and have no reference as to when to assert their boundaries and/or call women out. Instead, they play "yes-men" accepting whatever BS comes up from women. I'm at a point where I am more probable to walk away from a chick than she is from me. Reason being, I know what I'm about and the type of people around me.

Last year I used to roll with a chick who to this day I consider AWESOME it was genuine love for each other. (way beyond sex)

After awhile I started noticing there were alot of awesome women (in general) and this is after being highly bias towards eastern European women. However, I've changed drastically an I learnt that women are expert calibrators showing you there most appealing aspects.

IMO, american women need more actual MEN to help guide them because they're so used to "thristy" men who wouldn't dear call them out.

[ddjembe mutombo]

Almost everyone in their teens to their thirties acts as children (here in the US). All I hear from most people when they talk is "me, me, me" or "I, I, I". Have you ever had someone ask you how your day was just because they knew you'd ask how their day was? Then they go on a ramble?

Does having children force many of us to grow up ourselves? I'm 26 and childless, but I have noticed that people in their 40's and up that are married with children are the most common demographic to understand the whole picture of life.

I try everyday to pull myself out of the picture, but it is hard.


Now going back to the OP, upper-middle class white girls are definitely big children. However, our job is to critique ourselves and improve ourselves. Let them be children, and let them find what is at the end of the path in which they follow.

[Icarus]

(03-18-2014 10:17 AM)ddjembe mutombo Wrote:  

Let them be children, and let them find what is at the end of the path in which they follow.

Sadly, letting a woman get a PhD from the University of Hard Knocks is the only way to teach a woman anything. They never listen. They always think they know everything, just like children.

[Nomad77]

Lot of this has to do with you and where you grew up. If you grew up in America it will be easier to get along with and connect with American women. If you did not it will be harder. I grew up in Europe because of this it is much easier for to connect and related to European women and much more difficult to relate to American women.