[soup]

[placer]

As a Christian, I find this disgusting. This is almost as disgusting as the "Christians" who think non-Christians automatically go to hell (John 3:18 is a condemnation of a stubborn narrow-minded refusal to accept basic facts -- Jesus was in front of these narrow-minded religious leaders, gave them incontrivable proof that he was God, and they still refused to believe him. They were as narrow-minded as those idiots from a century ago who kept insisting the earth was flat despite all evidence to the contrary).

Our nation is not a Christian nation, no. But our society -- the society that gave us the great prosperity in the mid-20th century -- used to be a society that feared and respected God a lot more than we do today. Marriage used to mean something. Prayer used to be something people could do in Christian college groups without worrying about offending someone (yes, that happened when I was in college a decade ago). CEOs knew you could not serve God and money (mammon) and gave their workers living wages instead of hording up treasures on earth only for themselves.

Now atheists can take away crosses commemorating the death of a mother's child because they are Christian. I have this to say about that:

[Mage]

(03-12-2014 12:58 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

mage brother, I think you're putting to much emphasis on what is alpha or beta/red pill or blue pill.

Your saying to live life on your own terms and take the best parts of different ideologies and combine them together to become a better person. I agree with that, you just gotta find better ways to express it besides putting a label on it.

Right, brother but that's what people have to learn - to see things behind labels. All invisible things will have visible labels, but the label is not the thing.

[Mage]

(03-12-2014 12:51 PM)soup Wrote:  

Are you suggesting that you have God game?

Sigh, you know, your only excuse is if you are very young.

[soup]

How can you see the invisible thing behind the viable label if it is invisible?

[Mage]

(03-12-2014 01:22 PM)soup Wrote:  

How can you see the invisible thing behind the viable label if it is invisible?

Do you see the air you're breathing?

[soup]

Just answer the question.

Yes I can when it gets cold enough. I can also hear, smell, and touch it., and most importantly, I can show other people that it exists.

Here's another question: how can you have something that is exists without existing?.

Also if you are going define godliness a something that has qualities to be emulated, than Micheal Jordan, Einstein, and Bach are all gods.

[Wutang]

I don't get people who get apparent PTSD all of a sudden when they see a cross.

I've tried to put myself in their shoes and I simply can't relate. When I'm in Taiwan, it's common for me to see Taoist shrines, Buddhist temples, and items associated with Chinese folk religion all over the place and even though I am not associated with any of those religions/beliefs (though I do find them interesting and enjoy learning about them) I can't say the sight of those things offend me.

During Ramadan there's a certain highway fairly close to my area where a local Muslim group will put up a billboard that says "Have A Blessed Ramadan" which does not bother me in the slightest bit.

Have you guys ever noticed that when it comes to putting up Nativity scenes during Christmas and the like it's pretty much always these atheists groups that get their panties in a wad? Why don't members of other religions throw fits over it? Shouldn't they be feeling as "excluded"?

[Walderschmidt]

(03-12-2014 09:56 AM)Bill Wrote:  

Religion is blue pill enough said.

It's not that black and white.

Just because you're smart enough to do without it doesn't mean everyone else is.

Projection is not just for feminists.

Wald

[Cyr]

Many very smart people are christians/ religious. Your religion and spiritual views don't connote your intelligence.
All of the guys saying I cant see God, I dont need God etc, should realise that even the dumbest redneck Christian realises he cant see God, he doesnt exist solidly around him, but has chosen to put faith in him. Its not a badge of honour, or something that can be logically proven or disproven.

[TigerMandingo]

This is an example of Richard Dawkins-style atheism and it is retarded. One of the points of being an atheist is not giving a shit what religious people are doing.

[AneroidOcean]

(03-12-2014 05:31 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

Seen this trending on Twitter:

Sure, the way this guy went about getting the cross removed was not that nice, but it's not allowed to be there and frankly it's not a great place to go and grieve. That's what cemeteries or a little memorial on your own property are much more suited to.

There's been people killed less than a block from where I live. I thought it was nice that plenty of people brought flowers to the corner and left them there and left pictures of the deceased and all, no matter what religious symbols they left, but a community sharing in some sorrow for some time period is one thing. When they kept at it despite the construction company trying to build on the site when PLENTY of time had passed, I thought them pretty silly.

I didn't think "Oh the inhuman heartless corporation that tried to put a store on this corner kept taking down this memorial...what assholes."

I just thought, "yeah, makes sense."

You guys seem mighty caught up in your emotion and dislike for atheists. This was prompted by an atheist organization/individual, but the courts supported it. Where's the calm, cool, collected thought process I so enjoy seeing on this board?

[TheSlayer]

This whole thing got me thinking. Simply judging by the responses in this thread those of us who don't really believe in God think a grave injustice was done here to the grieving mother. I would wager 99% of people who don't believe in God would not have a problem with a roadside cross serving as a memorial. This incident speaks to a larger problem in our society. That problem is giving in to the vocal minority. Be it feminists, minorities, white knights, betas, or any other group as a society we have made it a habit to listen to the vocal minority (sometimes vocal minority within a minority) and cater to their every whim. The fact that the cross was removed because of a dumb atheist organization speaks volumes to our society's (in the West) fascination to bow down to the vocal minority.

[soup]

Even if you heard a voice in your head or had a feeling or presence of god- that could be satan imitating god. You will never know god even if it exists so stop trying. It's the like dog trying to chase it's tail.

God is not part of life.

It's like the bronys obsessed with a mollifying fantasy. You don't need god.

Btw I am god.

[Frost]

If a feminists said that 2+2=4, that wouldn't make 2+2=5.

But it should be pretty obvious which beliefs are part of the broader Leftist/Feminist cluster.

For example, it would be pretty hard for a guy to laugh at all the arguments for patriarchy, male privilege, and institutional sexism "keeping women down", and then turn around and believe all the exact same arguments about white privilege, institutional racism, and microaggressions causing racial differences in outcomes. It's literally the same people reading of the same speaking points.

Once you dismiss one set of arguments, it becomes much easier to dismiss the rest of the cluster.

Here's another example. I used to be all for gay rights. Then I noticed that gay rights activists are generally the same sort of disingenuous simpletons who advocate for other left-wing causes. So, I became wary of the gay rights movement, I did some reading, and now - while I wish the best for individual homosexuals - I recognize the queer acceptance movement for the cultural marxism that it is.

I don't know if I believe in God or not, but I do know this with 100% certainty: The Atheist cult is a sad, pathetic bunch of left-wing whiners who are trying to destroy the last remaining shred of traditional values in the western world. I would much rather associate with Christians, raise my children as Christians, and - when it comes down to it - fight beside Christians, against their Feminist, Marxist, Atheistic enemies.

Also, Atheism is - on a dispassionate, logical level - completely retarded. Even Richard Dawkins, patron saint of the neckbeard, technically identifies as an Agnostic.

[soup]

No, there is reason behind hard atheism.

The concept of a god that exists outside of existence is not something cannot happen. There is no "if" here.

So if there was some conscious force controlling everything- that would essentially be a tyrant, hence the "a" in atheism.

Which of you here would want to have a control freak watching you and telling you what to do at ever minute of the day?

If you say "me" then move to Nortg Korea because they've got that going pretty strong.

[Saga]

(03-12-2014 07:56 PM)soup Wrote:  

Which of you here would want to have a control freak watching you and telling you what to do at ever minute of the day?

Different religions posit different levels of divine involvement/attention...it runs the gamut from "God watches everything and takes notes" to "God is above caring about our lives". And more broadly, it'd be hard to disagree with the observation that secularism has shown no greater regard for privacy than religious states...there have been many cases of reformers/revolutionaries attempting to remove a belief in an omniscient deity in order to replace it with an omniscient government.

[big poppa]

(03-12-2014 06:52 PM)soup Wrote:  

Even if you heard a voice in your head or had a feeling or presence of god- that could be satan imitating god. You will never know god even if it exists so stop trying. It's the like dog trying to chase it's tail.

God is not part of life.

It's like the bronys obsessed with a mollifying fantasy. You don't need god.

Btw I am god.

I'm pretty sure no one here is trying to prove God's existence. Like most other believers, I know inside myself that there is a God but I couldn't really care to try and convince others of that.

[soup]

Almost every guy on this thread is trying to argue that god exists.

[Wutang]

(03-12-2014 06:14 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

This whole thing got me thinking. Simply judging by the responses in this thread those of us who don't really believe in God think a grave injustice was done here to the grieving mother. I would wager 99% of people who don't believe in God would not have a problem with a roadside cross serving as a memorial. This incident speaks to a larger problem in our society. That problem is giving in to the vocal minority. Be it feminists, minorities, white knights, betas, or any other group as a society we have made it a habit to listen to the vocal minority (sometimes vocal minority within a minority) and cater to their every whim. The fact that the cross was removed because of a dumb atheist organization speaks volumes to our society's (in the West) fascination to bow down to the vocal minority.

Yeah pretty much.

Retarded fundies and neckbeard Reddit atheists are two sides of the same coin.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

I'm agnostic and I'll rather side with normal religious people than with Atheists. Even though I am more so thinking that a divine omnipotent Deity doesn't exist, I'll rather be with a girl who is religious because they are more tolerable and they tend to like me better.

[Mage]

(03-12-2014 02:33 PM)soup Wrote:  

Just answer the question.

You cannot describe to a blind man what is color.

(03-12-2014 02:33 PM)soup Wrote:  

Also if you are going define godliness a something that has qualities to be emulated, than Micheal Jordan, Einstein, and Bach are all gods.

What you emulate from God is the spiritual quality of emanation that can give benefits of increased creativity, but are not ability to jump high or compose music per se.

[Peregrine]

If there was ever a topic to agree to disagree on, it would be whether God exists.

[soup]

(03-13-2014 12:12 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 02:33 PM)soup Wrote:  

Just answer the question.

You cannot describe to a blind man what is color.

(03-12-2014 02:33 PM)soup Wrote:  

Also if you are going define godliness a something that has qualities to be emulated, than Micheal Jordan, Einstein, and Bach are all gods.

What you emulate from God is the spiritual quality of emanation that can give benefits of increased creativity, but are not ability to jump high or compose music per se.

Your response makes you sound retarded. Your words tread into oblivion as I read them. But they never reach it. Infinitely close but never to certanity.

Can you give us a god that we can check out, or do we have to take your word for it?

Also, if he's real, do want us to worship your god like you do?

[Mage]

(03-13-2014 03:30 AM)soup Wrote:  

Your response makes you sound retarded.

^
Well at least I am glad your elaborate response really elevated the quality of scrupulous argumentation on this forum a few levels up.