[MHaes]

^Don't seriously bring the "Israel is so awesome with such a strong army argument" in here.

[svenski7]

(02-04-2014 04:08 PM)MHaes Wrote:  

^Don't seriously bring the "Israel is so awesome with such a strong army argument" in here.

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Dude, their military uses KM, a form of martial arts developed by a Jewish streetfighter in Budapest who emigrated to Palestine after WWII. Someone mentioned that if this style of MMA was so great, Israel would be represented on the world stage with an excellent MMA fighter.

The effectiveness of KM has been proven on the battlegrounds of modern warfare. The link was not just to their airforce blowing up Egyptian tanks -- it also talks about the role of KM in close quarters combat.

I'm not always a fan of Israel, but when I am, it's because of their strong will to survive. I wouldn't call their army "strong," I would call it "hardy."

[Veloce]

(02-04-2014 02:08 AM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

Holy shit! I've said it before that KM is today's version of the TKD/Krotty McDojos of the 80s and 90s, complete with unverifiable foreign special forces instructors, but look at that Roy Elhahananaian clip - its EXACTLY the goofiness you see in TKD point fighting.

I'm not denying your point made here, but this is more about the instructor than the discipline.

I could easily say "Powerlifting is bullshit" due to how much idiocy I see at the gym. It's up to the practitioner.

Speaking personally, I took about 10 years of TKD starting as a kid. My instructor was an old Korean fob, a trainer for the South Korean armed forces. He made a very good distinction between TKD the art, and TKD/Hapkido for a street fight. He emphasized the basics; stance, footwork, keeping your guard up, how to throw a punch, and how to throw a couple basic kicks (front snap, and turning kick) Sure we spent time doing palgwes n shit, but these were essentially reinforcements on basic striking technique.

If I got in a fight with a trained boxer/MMA student, I know I'd get my ass kicked, but my background in TKD got me out of 4 pretty serious street fights/brawls alive, with two of those fights ending with the other guy in a heap with a fucked up face.

Technique is great, but in a street fight it comes down to the basics. How to make a fist, throw a punch, footwork, keep your guard up, and have a fucked up inner rage pushing you to murder your opponent. As long as your training includes that, you have an advantage over your regular dumbass on the street who's done zero training at all.

All that said, I'm joining a boxing gym shortly.

[Giovonny]

All violent crime is a "hate crime"!

White on white, black on black, brown on brown, etc.

Any time you punch a stranger in the head for no reason, you are committing a hateful act.

There is no way to prove if the person did it because they are "racist" or just because they are deranged person. Or both, or neither. Maybe, they are just a stupid son of a bitch!?!

I think the whole concept of "hate crimes" is stupid.

I have beat up black guys and I have beat up white guys but it had nothing to do with their race. It was man vs man.

The concept of "hate crime" is lame, in my opinion.

Your thoughts and opinions don't make the crime any worse. We should punish on the physical act of the crime itself. Not our perception of "why" the person did it. That is punishing peoples thoughts. That is fucking insane to me.

(02-02-2014 03:12 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Young black males are not particularly fond of white people these days.

I will respectfully disagree.

As a former basketball player and current basketball coach, I have worked with hundreds, maybe thousands of young black males over the past 20 years, a very small minority of them expressed any hatred or animosity towards white people. I used to talk to them about it, they would say -- "why would I hate the white man, he never did anything to me"

In fact, many of them had a great deal of respect and admiration towards whites.

A few even said that they would rather be around whites then blacks.

I think the belief that young blacks are perpetually angry at the white establishment is a bit of a caricature.

Most of the young blacks of today no nothing of the real and murderous racism that existed a few generations ago.

They don't have much reason to hate whites, unless their great-grandfathers have been telling them a lot of stories.

That said, I live in The Bay Area and I know things are a little different here compared do the rest of the country.

(02-04-2014 03:00 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Today, blacks are victimized by black violence more than violence from any other race.

I know what you mean, but..

I want to say my opinion, which is..

The American prison industry inflicts more violence on people than any other group or race of people.

(02-03-2014 06:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

If that guy were attacking me, I'd shoot in for a leg and sweep him to the ground and go for a choke.

I would pay money to see Speakeasy shoot MikeCF's leg and try to get Mike in a choke!!!

God, I wish we had a forum "fight club"!!!

PM me if you wanna talk about the odds in that fight.

[Peregrine]

Quote:

I would pay money to see Speakeasy shoot MikeCF's leg and try to get Mike in a choke!!!

God, I wish we had a forum "fight club"!!!

Ditto both.

[MikeCF]

See, here's why the, "Israeli soldiers use KM!" stuff is a mythos and marketing hype.

Do you know that is a soldier is using hand-to-hand combat, something went very very very wrong.

So it doesn't make a lot of sense to say, "Look at what these guys train! These guys are awesome soldiers. Therefore, their martial art is the best!"

Solidering is about moving in and providing violence of action using team tactics, flash bang grenades, and guns.

This is what close quarters combat looks like to a solider. They use guns. They are wearing gear. No one is doing throat strikes with their hands or getting guys in rear naked chokes. (That stuff happens, but it is extremely rare.)

Not that is matters (because of what I said above), but the Army Rangers train BJJ and MMA. The Rangers are far more elite than Israeli special forces.

So by Krav Maga logic, we should do what Army Rangers do. Train BJJ and MMA!

[MikeCF]

(02-06-2014 03:34 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  

Quote:

I would pay money to see Speakeasy shoot MikeCF's leg and try to get Mike in a choke!!!

God, I wish we had a forum "fight club"!!!

Ditto both.

Fisto wins Forum Fight Club.

(Well, there is always someone tougher than you. Who knows who's lurking? Based on available knowledge, though, Fisto wins and it isn't even close.)

[Nolecbo]

So is it the consensus of the thread that training at the 'Lightsaber Combat Academy' wouldn't be useful in a streetfight?


http://www.ludosport.net/en/

[Vroom]

I've done a bit of training in Kombatan.

I'm by no means an expert, but it's not hard to find a stick or two, should you find yourself in a bit of trouble. Just a little bit of training will tilt the odds massively in your favour.