[MrLemon]

American women in the 1950s were incredible. Gorgeous, feminine, and hard as fucking nails...they had just lived through the most brutal depression ever, seen their neighbors reduced to scavenging in garbage to feed their children, then they had lived through WWII and seen their fathers, brothers, and husbands blown to bits or traumatized beyond words.

A 1950s woman knew more about life in her little pinky, than any of the effete stupid slut women today. Women in the 1950s wanted one and only one thing...to settle down with a decent man in a nice little house, have some kids, and for once in their lives, after all the horror, to just live. Just to be a housewife, for these women, was literally the greatest thing. They didn't WANT to work in a career. To actually be *safe* and to *relax* and to have friends, to bake cakes and watch the kids in the yard. These women had endured the unendurable and knew the meaning of life.

They laughed at and mocked their stupid, spoiled daughters who became "Feminists". "You're an idiot" many a mother would tell her daughter. "You don't know anything about what life is about". Those 1950s women were absolutely right.

Oh and by the way, women in the 1950s took no shit. They treated their men great not because they were oppressed (what bullshit!) but because their men had been brutalized by the war and were often ready to fall apart. Those women held their homes together with sheer feminine willpower. Men fought the wars and ran the corporations. Women stayed home and go to spent all the money. What exactly the fuck is so hard to understand about that?

Oh and by the way, they were sexy as hell. During WWII people were fucking like crazy. Our modern world looks back and thinks they were sexually repressed. HAHA! Give me a break. Those people drank martinis and fucked. A lot. More than most of us. They didn't have all of our loopy sex tricks maybe. They just fucked. A lot.

So if you find a woman who has decided to turn her back on the idiocy of modern Feminism, and has decided she wants a "1950s style life" (as long as she's not just a prancing hipster, and actually wants a 1950s style husband, not just playing) then well, you might give that a try.

Hold her to it. Do your part and insist she does hers. It might just pan out. It still does every day, cause all over the US, there are traditional couples just exactly like this, un-recognized and invisible, living what are pretty much 1950s lives, men working, women staying home. Those women are still out there, feeling invisible, feeling out of touch with the Lesbian scumbags who are driving the country, old-fashioned non-career gals hoping to find a decent guy who wants to settle down. Red-pill girls, who have no idea what that term means, and don't really need to know, but that's what they are. 1950s girls. Red pill girls.

[Draugr]

Um, no. To be relegated to the status of a mere breadwinner, while my wife turns the kids into future baby boomers raised by TV and the public school system. 1950s women we're entitled hypocrites. "By their fruits you shall know them..."

And reality check, American causulties were not as devastating as those of Russia or German. For every man who served in the front lines, six more were in the rear. My grandfather was WWII vet who served in the heaviest fighting of the european theater, when he came back he spent the rest of his life drinking. He was a 35 yo volunteer with a wife and two kids and they put him in scout recon, he never said anything about it. But there were plenty of younger men who did shit and spent the rest of their lives crowing about serving in the big one.

What tells me what I need to know? They didn't build a memorial to their fallen commrades.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

It's a nice idea and I agree with it in theory. The problem is that we don't live in a '50s culture. And it'll be hard to sustain that type of relationship unless you cut out all media and live away from society. You'd have to find a subculture.

Which brings me to my next point. Having spent time in Utah (the Provo Canyon part), I can tell you the Mormons do live this way. The media picks up on the most tawdry elements of their religion and makes them look bad, since they're not "politically correct." But I didn't see any polygamy first-hand. All I saw were couples who married young, had kids early, stayed married, and stayed looking healthy.

If you want a wife like in the old days, I think you'd need to convert to Mormonism or some religion like that.

And a word of warning to younger guys. Despite the affectations and style of those women who pose in "retro cheesecake" photos, these urban hipsters are not anything like the women of the '50s. Tattoos, fake breasts, attention-whoring, living in (the hipster part of) Brooklyn, and an "ironic" love of this time period automatically disqualifies any woman.

[MrLemon]

I agree this might not be for everybody. I'm on record as stating that marriage should be avoided at all costs.

But there are a lot of guys here who talk about finding a red pill type of girl and having a traditional marriage. I'm just saying, that those kind of girls do exist.

And yes you have to be the primary breadwinner. If you can't do that, don't get married at all, ever, because that will ALWAYS be expected of you anyway, even by feminist career sluts.

[Vitriol]

Is anyone here old enough to have experienced this one of these perfect 1950s marriages first hand? While I think we all agree that traditional gender roles were much better for stable marriages, there's a danger in going too far and thinking marital problems simply didn't exist during this time.

My experiences talking to men who lived through this period seem to confirm that even then guys did things like work long hours and go to bars drinking every night to avoid their wives.

As much as we might want to idealize the past and think things were great back then, you can read about infidelity and failed marriages even in ancient sources. There were just greater consequences for women than there are now.

[Onto]

They exist, but they are very few and far between here in the USA. You would have to import her, and then put up a fence so to speak. No TV, Internet, Job, etc. Her life should be focused around creating and maintaing a home. That should keep her plenty busy. The friends you have are friends you spend time with as a couple.

If you want to be married, but don't want to sacrifice aspects of the single life you had, then it's best to avoid it all together. A husband needs to sacrifice his single life for the good of the family, and the woman surrenders herself onto him.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(02-02-2014 12:43 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

Is anyone here old enough to have experienced this one of these perfect 1950s marriages first hand? While I think we all agree that traditional gender roles were much better for stable marriages, there's a danger in going too far and thinking marital problems simply didn't exist during this time.

My experiences talking to men who lived through this period seem to confirm that even then guys did things like work long hours and go to bars drinking every night to avoid their wives.

As much as we might want to idealize the past and think things were great back then, you can read about infidelity and failed marriages even in ancient sources. There were just greater consequences for women than there are now.

I'd agree the past is being idolized and this post exemplifies that.

But...we have to consider that we're idolizing the '50s and not the '30s or the '90s for a reason. It's because it looks ideal to us. Because most likely it was, in fact, better for men.

Several older members of my family had these marriages. I've heard stories about men going out to get some "man time," enjoying long business trips away from the wife, etc.

But these stories are far better than the ones I've heard from men from the past two generations, where divorce and single parenthood shattered lives and men get royally screwed in divorce. And that's only taking into account the men who found women who were marriage material. The single-mom-with-tattoos-and-a-nasty-baby-daddy crowd seems to grow by the minute.

So, yeah, we're being overly nostalgic for an era that existed before any of us were born. But maybe we're justified in that.

In closing, here's a cool tune from back then by a guy who died too young 55 years ago tomorrow:

[Draugr]

I grew up in a traditional Catholic enclave, these were people who married young young and had big families. But they only emulated the 1950s, not traditionalism.

You want to know the problem? Think about this phrase. "My wife is my better half."

[UrbanNerd]

I am on the fence with the housewife concept because it made men be DUPED into thinking that somehow "running the house" was so much work.

It's not.

Bills are paid online now. There is no wife "dragging kids in tow" to various locations to pay the bills. I took my daughter to her doctor's and was in and out of there in one hour. All that was letting my job know that I would be gone for an hour. The parent-teacher conference was 30 minutes and was at 8am in the morning (I don't stroll into work until 9:30-10:00 anyway). Since my daughter is 11 years old, that means all-day school. Who needs a housewife with kids who are at school all day.

Give me that wife who makes money. That's less I lose in a divorce and less handbags, shoes and hair/nail appointments that I have to pay for.

You guys (who have been duped) can have those housewives who can threaten to take you to the cleaners at any time.

[MikeCF]

My grandma was a true matriarch. She kept all of the sons and the dad together, made sure we had family gatherings.

She never created drama and in fact kept everyone else from letting petty drama destroy the family - which to her was valued above all else.

Everyone knew not to fuck with her. Yet she was also friendly and loving and warm and every bit the home keeper.

It's a weird combination. I can't really describe it fully and maybe do not even fully understand it.

[Blaster]

(02-02-2014 01:34 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

American women in the 1950s were incredible. Gorgeous, feminine, and hard as fucking nails...they had just lived through the most brutal depression ever, seen their neighbors reduced to scavenging in garbage to feed their children, then they had lived through WWII and seen their fathers, brothers, and husbands blown to bits or traumatized beyond words.

A 1950s woman knew more about life in her little pinky, than any of the effete stupid slut women today. Women in the 1950s wanted one and only one thing...to settle down with a decent man in a nice little house, have some kids, and for once in their lives, after all the horror, to just live. Just to be a housewife, for these women, was literally the greatest thing. They didn't WANT to work in a career. To actually be *safe* and to *relax* and to have friends, to bake cakes and watch the kids in the yard. These women had endured the unendurable and knew the meaning of life.

They laughed at and mocked their stupid, spoiled daughters who became "Feminists". "You're an idiot" many a mother would tell her daughter. "You don't know anything about what life is about". Those 1950s women were absolutely right.

Oh and by the way, women in the 1950s took no shit. They treated their men great not because they were oppressed (what bullshit!) but because their men had been brutalized by the war and were often ready to fall apart. Those women held their homes together with sheer feminine willpower. Men fought the wars and ran the corporations. Women stayed home and go to spent all the money. What exactly the fuck is so hard to understand about that?

Oh and by the way, they were sexy as hell. During WWII people were fucking like crazy. Our modern world looks back and thinks they were sexually repressed. HAHA! Give me a break. Those people drank martinis and fucked. A lot. More than most of us. They didn't have all of our loopy sex tricks maybe. They just fucked. A lot.

So if you find a woman who has decided to turn her back on the idiocy of modern Feminism, and has decided she wants a "1950s style life" (as long as she's not just a prancing hipster, and actually wants a 1950s style husband, not just playing) then well, you might give that a try.

Hold her to it. Do your part and insist she does hers. It might just pan out. It still does every day, cause all over the US, there are traditional couples just exactly like this, un-recognized and invisible, living what are pretty much 1950s lives, men working, women staying home. Those women are still out there, feeling invisible, feeling out of touch with the Lesbian scumbags who are driving the country, old-fashioned non-career gals hoping to find a decent guy who wants to settle down. Red-pill girls, who have no idea what that term means, and don't really need to know, but that's what they are. 1950s girls. Red pill girls.

I there might be some rose-colored glasses here but was nevertheless a great read, MrLemon. Really enjoyed the post.

[Sherman]

(02-02-2014 12:43 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

Is anyone here old enough to have experienced this one of these perfect 1950s marriages first hand? While I think we all agree that traditional gender roles were much better for stable marriages, there's a danger in going too far and thinking marital problems simply didn't exist during this time.

My experiences talking to men who lived through this period seem to confirm that even then guys did things like work long hours and go to bars drinking every night to avoid their wives.

As much as we might want to idealize the past and think things were great back then, you can read about infidelity and failed marriages even in ancient sources. There were just greater consequences for women than there are now.

My parents were married for over 50 years and that wasn't unusual back then. When my mother first encountered feminist women, the first thing she commented on was how weak they were.

[Glock]

(02-02-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

It's a nice idea and I agree with it in theory. The problem is that we don't live in a '50s culture. And it'll be hard to sustain that type of relationship unless you cut out all media and live away from society. You'd have to find a subculture.

Which brings me to my next point. Having spent time in Utah (the Provo Canyon part), I can tell you the Mormons do live this way. The media picks up on the most tawdry elements of their religion and makes them look bad, since they're not "politically correct." But I didn't see any polygamy first-hand. All I saw were couples who married young, had kids early, stayed married, and stayed looking healthy.

If you want a wife like in the old days, I think you'd need to convert to Mormonism or some religion like that.

And a word of warning to younger guys. Despite the affectations and style of those women who pose in "retro cheesecake" photos, these urban hipsters are not anything like the women of the '50s. Tattoos, fake breasts, attention-whoring, living in (the hipster part of) Brooklyn, and an "ironic" love of this time period automatically disqualifies any woman.

Days of Broken Arrows is right that having a 50s-type relationship requires a 50s-type culture to support it. The mainstream culture today does the opposite. It ridicules and undermines those types of marriages. Any woman who would openly say today, "My husband is the head of the house," could not show her face in front of her girlfriends again.

Days of Broken Arrows is also right that, to live this kind of life, one would be required to live in a subculture -- apart from the mainstream, in the world but not of it. Such subcultures require complete devotion and sacrifice, which is probably not the deal that many of you are looking for. I don't think many members of this forum really want to dedicate themselves socially, financially, spiritually, and in all other respects, to an isolated subculture, merely so that he can have a 50s-style marriage.

[blkgatsby]

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

[Glock]

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

^^This post reads like something my feminist, ball-cutting sister would write.

[Walderschmidt]

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

What the hell do you think a wife is?

Ever heard of the concept called wifely duties?

Wald

[UrbanNerd]

(02-03-2014 01:15 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

What the hell do you think a wife is?

Ever heard of the concept called wifely duties?

Wald

Yes and somehow society "sold" it to men that these few wifely duties equates to giving her all of your paycheck or paying everything for her, when in essence many of these tasks take little to no energy nor much time at all.

I guess for that guy who ends up with one of those hard physical-intensive jobs that goes non-stop for 8 hours, they want that type of wife. For those of us who are professionals with jobs that basically pays us for our academic background and allows us so much free/downtime...we don't need that from a wife.

Put that chick out there in working world and bring back more money.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife.

I've met a lot of cats who fall victim to that type of thinking. They've become jaded by American women for whatever reason - were burned or just never really meshed with our dating culture in the States. They may have hit a spot overseas and their eyes opened if you will. So they decide to import a local chick from a country where women are known to be compliant (Phils, Colombia, etc).

The thing is, these chicks don't stay that way after they've spent a few years assimilated into US culture. They watch TV and also hear things from other women and, before long, start gaining their own ideas and making their own plans. It's almost inevitable. I've met quite a few guys who went this route and ended up getting a divorce all the same.

The funny thing is the fellas that go this route still tend to stick with overseas chicks, even after the divorce.

[Hotwheels]

(02-03-2014 01:23 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:15 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

What the hell do you think a wife is?

Ever heard of the concept called wifely duties?

Wald

Yes and somehow society "sold" it to men that these few wifely duties equates to giving her all of your paycheck or paying everything for her, when in essence many of these tasks take little to no energy nor much time at all.

I guess for that guy who ends up with one of those hard physical-intensive jobs that goes non-stop for 8 hours, they want that type of wife. For those of us who are professionals with jobs that basically pays us for our academic background and allows us so much free/downtime...we don't need that from a wife.

Put that chick out there in working world and bring back more money.

So you want a feminist?

[UrbanNerd]

(02-03-2014 01:37 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:23 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:15 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

What the hell do you think a wife is?

Ever heard of the concept called wifely duties?

Wald

Yes and somehow society "sold" it to men that these few wifely duties equates to giving her all of your paycheck or paying everything for her, when in essence many of these tasks take little to no energy nor much time at all.

I guess for that guy who ends up with one of those hard physical-intensive jobs that goes non-stop for 8 hours, they want that type of wife. For those of us who are professionals with jobs that basically pays us for our academic background and allows us so much free/downtime...we don't need that from a wife.

Put that chick out there in working world and bring back more money.

So you want a feminist?

I want who can stay out of my pockets.

First things first. If you have read my past postings, I do not get into the "usual" RVF terminologies. So all that "what is feminist, alpha, beta, red pill, blue pill, green pill" stuff, I don't get into. I am into net favorable results.

As for a wife, I need her to share the bills, share the parenting and leave me the hell alone when the football games are on....and let me get a few trips to locations of my choosing. Everything else?....doesn't matter to me. She can be "Queen Feminist of the East Coast" to her friends....just as long as it does not affect my lifestyle.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-03-2014 01:47 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:37 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:23 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:15 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:19 AM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

Personally I don't see the appeal of having a Stepford Wife. Nowadays just about anyone has the tools to live independently, so it unnecessary to have to lean on another person to do stuff and get it done in a timely manner, the way I like it. And OP based on your past posts, it sounds like you basically want a female servant, and not a wife. Whatever floats your boat.

What the hell do you think a wife is?

Ever heard of the concept called wifely duties?

Wald

Yes and somehow society "sold" it to men that these few wifely duties equates to giving her all of your paycheck or paying everything for her, when in essence many of these tasks take little to no energy nor much time at all.

I guess for that guy who ends up with one of those hard physical-intensive jobs that goes non-stop for 8 hours, they want that type of wife. For those of us who are professionals with jobs that basically pays us for our academic background and allows us so much free/downtime...we don't need that from a wife.

Put that chick out there in working world and bring back more money.

So you want a feminist?

I want who can stay out of my pockets.

First things first. If you have read my past postings, I do not get into the "usual" RVF terminologies. So all that "what is feminist, alpha, beta, red pill, blue pill, green pill" stuff, I don't get into. I am into net favorable results.

As for a wife, I need her to share the bills, share the parenting and leave me the hell alone when the football games are on....and let me get a few trips to locations of my choosing. Everything else?....doesn't matter to me. She can be "Queen Feminist of the East Coast" to her friends....just as long as it does not affect my lifestyle.

Hotwheels - If I'm not mistaken, don't you live in a rural or mundane town somewhere in Middle America? I remember you saying that one time. No offense, not dissing. You're a great poster.

The reason I bring that up is because like UrbanNerd, I live in DC. Unless you're seriously independently wealthy, it would make zero sense to have a stay-at-home wife in this area. Hell, even the rich guys here have their wives run NGOs or charity causes.

The cost of living is high and this is a very affluent and competitive area to live in. Most of the population is well-educated and the household incomes are among the highest in the country. One would really be missing out on some promising opportunities if they ran a household just off one income.

It's not like that in a bunch of other places in the US. I think people who live in DC or similarly pricey and competitive metropolitan areas would agree that two incomes is much better than one. Not even a debate.

Which brings me to my next point. I think in general it's a good idea for people to say where they live (or describe it) when posting opinions on threads about cultural preferences, etc. It's generally true that Americans in major cities think differently than those that live in rural or smaller towns.

[Hotwheels]

I'd rather have a lifestyle that I can support on my own and have a "partner" that handles the cleaning, cooking, shopping, baby raising, gardening, etc as I handle the things a man traditionally takes care of. ie; Income, a home, vehicles, and mowing the lawn.

Having a woman paying half your bills makes you too dependent on her and her not dependent enough on you.

[UrbanNerd]

(02-03-2014 01:59 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

I'd rather have a lifestyle that I can support on my own and have a "partner" that handles the cleaning, cooking, shopping, baby raising, gardening, etc as I handle the things a man traditionally takes care of. ie; Income, a home, vehicles, and mowing the lawn.

Having a woman paying half your bills makes you too dependent on her and her not dependent enough on you.

Point taken, but you will need to live in a much more rural area than somewhere like suburban Washington DC. Now it CAN be done and commute to DC but who wants to spend 4 hours per day in a car?

As for those "traditional" things:

What cleaning is needed when the kid(s) is at school all day?
Shopping?....really?...that is no effort.
Vehicles?...I pay for mine...she pays for hers.
Mowing the lawn?...as long as there are broke college students and/or illegal immigrants around. I am not mowing anything, LOL.

Now I will admit, I am the "throw money at something to get it done" type at times. :-)

[Hotwheels]

Obviously we're from different era's and locales, however couples operated the same way in the 50's in the cities. And, to note, the vast majority of couples in rural areas have dual incomes as well due to wage deflation. It's not limited to the cities.

I look at it as feminism has won from the above arguments.

Not hating on anyone, but I just shake my head.

Basically, if she's working a full time job, she isn't taking care of me.

[Hotwheels]

btw-I would get more in depth but I'm herding IRT's at the moment...