[sinnerman]

In the Richard Branson thread, TheMachinist mentioned "I think a MAJOR component in game should be how to build fierce and unshakeable loyalty in a woman."

I think that's a very valid point and something that is not discussed as extensively as it should be. So post all your ideas, tips, stories, etc on how to keep a woman once you have her.

[Luvianka]

A good and solid spanking at least once a week.

[Christian McQueen]

It's called Deep Conversion. Part of The Alpha Playboy talks about it. Too much to post here.

[WestIndianArchie]

If you believe in the red pill, in hypergamy, that a woman will make the jump if a better offer comes along - then she's by definition, NOT LOYAL.

If you factor in that women often make rash decisions based on their at the moment emotional state - not cold hard rationale thought - what could you possibly do to HER?

Fucking her well?
Giving her children?
Pampering her?
Making her fear your foot steps?
Make sure she doesn't get an education?
Keep her away from TV and the internet?
Keeping her at home? barefoot? in a veil?

Be better than the other 3.5 billion men on the planet?

WIA

[sinnerman]

Letting your woman know in a subtle way about other girls who enjoy your company has proved to work in my case. Key is to be subtle about it and not brag about it.

[pitt]

(01-30-2014 08:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If you believe in the red pill, in hypergamy, that a woman will make the jump if a better offer comes along - then she's by definition, NOT LOYAL.

If you factor in that women often make rash decisions based on their at the moment emotional state - not cold hard rationale thought - what could you possibly do to HER?

Fucking her well?
Giving her children?
Pampering her?
Making her fear your foot steps?
Make sure she doesn't get an education?
Keep her away from TV and the internet?
Keeping her at home? barefoot? in a veil?

Be better than the other 3.5 billion men on the planet?

WIA

Exactly

In other words you can't build loyalty in a woman. Can you make a thief a loyal person? Hell no.

The last cat I met that his wife was cheating on him, he was one of the roughest cat I have ever met. He killed, sold drugs, lived that life and he bragged a lot about this shit and for every little thing he would say, ''I felt like shooting that guy''. When this beta guy told me that he was fucking his wife, I was completely shocked. If a woman wants to cheat, she will cheat, just give her that opportunity.

You being the toughest cat in this planet won't do much.

Majority of us on this forum are doing pump and dump anyway..why bother in keeping them loyal..

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-30-2014 09:01 PM)pitt Wrote:  

The last cat I met that his wife was cheating on him, he was one of the roughest cat I have ever met. He killed, sold drugs, lived that life and he bragged a lot about this shit and for every little thing he would say, ''I felt like shooting that guy''. When this beta guy told me that he was fucking his wife, I was completely shocked. If a woman wants to cheat, she will cheat, just give her that opportunity.

You being the toughest cat in this planet won't do much.

Majority of us on this forum are doing pump and dump anyway..why bother in keeping them loyal..

This is the reverse of that other post, where folks were continually "shocked" by how deceptive women can be.

This isn't a condemnation of the fairer sex. It's just an observation, one w/o judgment. She's acting in service to her emotions, which is what she's supposed to do biologically. The fact that her "being herself" destroys men, destroys families, destroys communities, and possibly societies...neither here nor there.

Honor, Loyalty, Honesty, Fair Dealing?
Say what you mean, mean what you say?

These are masculine ideals.

Key word here is ideal, because outside of the sex arena, men have often betrayed their brothers for money, glory, power, and pussy.

Deceit and promise/contract breaking is what keeps me in Paul Stuart kicks.

I do acknowledge that my colleagues disagree with my grim? view of affairs.

WIA

[sinnerman]

WestIndianArchie & Pitt:

I tend to identify with the grim outlook and that no amount of game or skills is going to give you 100% success with every woman.

However, this is not about achieving a 100% success rate. Like with all other skills its about increasing the odds of keeping a woman "loyal" or interested in you.

[Checkmat]

(01-30-2014 08:23 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

It's called Deep Conversion. Part of The Alpha Playboy talks about it. Too much to post here.

You know McQueen, I thought about your deep conversion post last night and in reference to this post I made today: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24128-...#pid641463

In terms of getting loyalty from a girl and deep conversion, your method would not work with this chick. In fact it would probably guarantee her to leave forever. In a situation like this, what would you say is key?

[nek]

I don't know what could make a woman loyal, but I do know what will definitely make her not loyal....worrying about her being loyal.

[Christian McQueen]

@Checkmat: read the other post. This chick you were fucking, was this the first time you fucked her?

[Laner]

I was invited to a sit down with a couple guys the other day. One of the reasons for it was that one was having trouble with his wife. The question put to me was "how is it that you get women who will do anything for you?"

This type of question does not come around often, so I was happy to be able to try and help some close friends. Here is what I said:

- I only keep the women around me that show signs of loyalty. Therefore you never meet the ones that do not. Unfortunately, the disloyal females outnumber the loyal, 5:1.

- I do things for myself, and then I do things for us (her and I). When I take a woman out for a nice dinner, I do it because I like to eat good food and have a nice night with a beautiful woman. I do not do this for her, and she is under no illusion this is the case. She wants to be around me, especially when I feel like splurging, and understands that I am in the same moment that she is. This bumps her pride, and keeps her princess syndrome in check.

- I will never be guilted into doing anything nice for a woman. When she gets flowers, its generally because she is on my mind. If she is on my mind, its because she has been a good woman. Good women get an award (though not all the time). Its random.

- I give women a warning when they start to act childish. One warning. That is all. And I never apologize for anything that happens after that warning if they continue to act like a spoiled child. Laying down the law and sticking to it comes with 1/10 the drama as would taking it all back and apologizing.

I need to look at what the hell Deep Conversion is. Sounds dope, like something on vinyl at 3am with a bump of Molly.

[TheMachinist]

Loyalty is a trait that SOME women have and just because a woman CAN BE loyal doesn't mean she's gonna be loyal TO YOU.When I speak of loyalty I speak of that "bottom bitch" type of loyalty.It's really hard to put into words.Yeah being "alpha" and all that are part of it but it goes beyond even that.Every since I was a teenager loyalty is the one thing I've never been able to inspire in a woman.Maybe being the best option a woman has is a big part of it but there is something I'm overlooking because I've spent YEARS trying to figure out what Im missing.I personally know probably a dozen women that would and some of them have, lied and gone to jail for their dudes.Meanwhile I've had the heat on me and had broads point straight at me and say "There he is,that's him he did it!!!!"

[Kwisatz]

In an earlier, relevant thread I talked about The Bottom Bitch you mentioned here. http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19712.html

(01-31-2014 09:30 AM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Loyalty is a trait that SOME women have and just because a woman CAN BE loyal doesn't mean she's gonna be loyal TO YOU.When I speak of loyalty I speak of that "bottom bitch" type of loyalty.It's really hard to put into words.Yeah being "alpha" and all that are part of it but it goes beyond even that.Every since I was a teenager loyalty is the one thing I've never been able to inspire in a woman.Maybe being the best option a woman has is a big part of it but there is something I'm overlooking because I've spent YEARS trying to figure out what Im missing.I personally know probably a dozen women that would and some of them have, lied and gone to jail for their dudes.Meanwhile I've had the heat on me and had broads point straight at me and say "There he is,that's him he did it!!!!"

[jariel]

They're not even loyal towards each other...

[Sp5]

(01-31-2014 02:19 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 08:23 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

It's called Deep Conversion. Part of The Alpha Playboy talks about it. Too much to post here.

You know McQueen, I thought about your deep conversion post last night and in reference to this post I made today: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24128-...#pid641463

In terms of getting loyalty from a girl and deep conversion, your method would not work with this chick. In fact it would probably guarantee her to leave forever. In a situation like this, what would you say is key?

Christian, bought your book, read the Deep Conversion part, confirmed what I was doing with one woman I've been hanging with who was VERY inexperienced before she met me, and gave me some ideas for the future. Thanks.

I also see Checkmat's point, when i turned on the dirty talk early on, she got upset afterwards and started to cry. I didn't read too much into it other than an emotional reaction to her own changes, but I did dial back a little.

There might be a paradox: the girls most susceptible to deep conversion might not be able to take the strain on their self image from some new extreme sex.

Deep conversion is most important to me, because I'm old enough to know I won't be able to sustain playing for too much longer and might want to lock down a woman suitably attractive and extremely devoted.

[Parlay44]

It's her father's job to instill loyalty in her at an early age. The more single mothers we have raising kids the more shameless disloyal sluts we'll have in the future. You can only keep a slut in line with dick or money. That's all they understand.

[Christian McQueen]

"I also see Checkmat's point, when i turned on the dirty talk early on, she got upset afterwards and started to cry. I didn't read too much into it other than an emotional reaction to her own changes, but I did dial back a little."

The key to Deep Conversion is that it is a Process.

Emphasis on process. It takes months.

That's why I put the disclaimer saying to acclimate the girl, because if you jump into it physically, then mentally she won't be ready.

It's a seduction of her mind and her body, but that takes time.

It's a slow-cool method and shouldn't be used on every girl.

Take your time with it and PM me with specific questions.

[satanova77]

Its possible to build loyalty in women through deep conversion techniques.

Before reading McQueen I always wanted to make girls do stuff that would gross them out or they thought was painful both in bed and outside. So making them wear heels when they have to walk miles or wearing a skirt in cold weather. Or have them do stuff for me like cook for me when they hate to do it. Ofcourse making the ones who dont swallow and do anal, do it promptly.

The more they have vested and they feel imprinted, the more loyal.

However that being said due to their emotional cycles and justification hamsters, you CANNOT TRUST them. The level of betrayal varies from one to another but never the less its always better to protect yourself.

[TheMachinist]

This shit is fascinating to me on so many levels.What Im really trying to figure out is what factors make a boy/man NATURUALLY bring out these qualities in women with out said boy/man knowing anything about game.I've got some theories but one thing Im realizing is that a few of the coldest players I've ever met are actually SOCIOPATHS.

[jariel]

(01-30-2014 08:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If you believe in the red pill, in hypergamy, that a woman will make the jump if a better offer comes along - then she's by definition, NOT LOYAL.

Hypergamy is talked about a lot in this community, but I dismiss it for the most part only because I understand most women can't handle/couldn't keep an upgrade.

Women are not the risk takers us men tend to be, they prefer to stay in their lanes, that's why so many end up with losers because they know that is what they are and that is what they can keep around. When female losers get around male winners, they often reject them to protect themselves because they know the ultimate outcome before it even reaches that point.

The chicks who really do have game, tight girl game, they're the ones who can handle an upgrade, because they recognized at some point they were better than what they had, so when the opportunity presented itself for them to jump ship, they knew they'd have a nice landing. The thing is, these women will give the upgrades the opportunity to scoop them without being obvious about it, and the upgrades demonstrate just how much of an upgrade they are by taking the opportunity to close once they realized it was their time to do so.

[horn]

If women have maxed out their SMV, they are typically going to be pretty loyal. They've hit the bullseye already.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-31-2014 06:18 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Hypergamy is talked about a lot in this community, but I dismiss it for the most part only because I understand most women can't handle/couldn't keep an upgrade.

You've never fucked a better man's wife/girlfriend?

You think only men like to fuck for sport?

You think the only reason a chick jumps on a dick is to secure better genes and provisioning for her young? © Mystery

Like when offered some illicit cock she goes through some rational calculus about whether or not a guys future earnings and alpha behavior will serve her well once she gets past the wall?

That has not been my experience at all.

I find women to be dynamic.
I find them to be alien in their thoughts.

Not even just inconsistent or capricious, but alien.

Instead of 4, 2+2 = an essay about the feelings a woman gets when the bra just doesn't fit right.

That being said, you don't need to believe in hypergamy - ultimately it's a concept that is impossible to verify with a high degree of confidence - all it does is explain a lot of female behavior - thought not all.

Possibly a red pill world view, gives you red pill results.

WIA

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I think the main thing about loyalty isn't that men need to build it, but that men need to steer clear of certain types of woman when it comes to long-term commitment. Before you start trying to build, look towards a women's mother. If the mom has stuck by her dad for decades, chances are so will the daughter.

Studies have shown divorce runs in families. And while you might not be thinking of marriage, the mom who goes from marriage to marriage is echoed in the next generation by the club slut who has endless three-month "relationships."

Such women live soap opera lives and see men as replaceable bit players in their ongoing drama. They're usually more fun and often hotter. Unfortunately, "hotness" can burn.

I'll agree there is a lot of noise on here about "hypergamy," but I can tell you stories about women who have cheated on high-status men with lowlifes who were neither as attractive, as successful, or as smart as their main guy. And I don't buy it that "all the husbands were Beta." Some women just live like this.

You can't remix a pounding club jam into a sentimental James Taylor ballad no matter how much sonic genius you have or how many clever effects you apply.

[YaManBT]

When building a woman's loyalty sexual game is extremely powerful. This is the two-step process I use.

1. Give her strong, plentiful orgasms, and blow her mind sexually. This is not hard, unless you have a micropenis. A little research and practice goes a long way. Your stroke game, stamina, pussy-eating skills, and pussy massaging techniques have got to be on point. I always quote the Pretty Toney line from The Mack, "Once I get a bitch, I got a bitch."

2. Once you've hit it a couple of good times, back off. Don't be thirsty. Let her come onto you for sex. You may even want to practice "dick rationing". See this video for the details of that concept.

Keep giving it to her good, though. Try to outdo yourself every time. I am the object of sexual desire with women I deal with. I'm not a strikingly good-looking guy either. I remember Patrice O'Neal saying the same thing on one of the Black Phillip episodes. His girl was beautiful, but he was the sexual object of desire in the relationship.


As far as deep conversation game, I excel at this, because I am naturally a deep conversationalist. I do believe this can build loyalty, especially if you get her to subscribe to your ideologies. This is not hard to
do, either.