[soup]

I do survive on pussy juice.

I've been trying to lose done fat lately and have cut out a lot of carbs from my diet.

For breakfast I've been eating a giant bowl of blue berries and than I won't eat until dinner.

Taking milk thistle, acv, omega 3, b12, this other thing that is supposed to be good for hair, vitamin d and colace.

I do eat eggs and dairy.definitely trying to get bigger though.

[DJ-Matt]

I'm just starting lifting, but right now there's fat to burn off too (6' 1" @ 180lb). Should I just diet like crazy before attempting to ramp up the weight or can both work?

[sixsix]

(02-14-2014 05:08 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

I'm just starting lifting, but right now there's fat to burn off too (6' 1" @ 180lb). Should I just diet like crazy before attempting to ramp up the weight or can both work?

Definitely start lifting heavy. The fat reserves actually help: Where a skinny guy has to eat way too much (for his not yet adjusted appetite) to build muscle, you will always have energy reserves.

Cardio is never gonna make you lose fat. Heavy compound lifts, where muscle tissue is destroyed and has to be rebuild during your sleep, calls on the fat to facilitate the subsequent protein synthesis.

Eat clean at the same time though (no empty carbs e.g. soda).

[DJ-Matt]

Sweet, I've already stopped using those goofy machines. Just the treadmill other than weights.

What are people's thoughts on those caffeine pills? I've been using hydroxycut and xenadrine (both the same essentially) off and on for the last 2 years. Not sure if they actually do anything because part of my turnaround over the last 4-5 years is eating better. Really ramped it up in the last year or so.

By accident or disinterest I haven't had fast food in 2 weeks, and when I do it's a Wendy's Chili and salad. Probably the discovery of the crock pot thread here has me eating at home all the time now If I do eat out it's a sit down restaurant and steak plus a healthy veggie.

[ComebackKid]

(02-14-2014 05:42 PM)sixsix Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:08 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

I'm just starting lifting, but right now there's fat to burn off too (6' 1" @ 180lb). Should I just diet like crazy before attempting to ramp up the weight or can both work?

Cardio is never gonna make you lose fat.

This is simply wrong.

[sixsix]

(02-15-2014 07:39 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:42 PM)sixsix Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:08 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

I'm just starting lifting, but right now there's fat to burn off too (6' 1" @ 180lb). Should I just diet like crazy before attempting to ramp up the weight or can both work?

Cardio is never gonna make you lose fat.

This is simply wrong.

Great rebuttal.

High-Intensity Interval Training: Perfect and obviously also good for your cardiovascular system.

What people generally call cardio (e.g. long distance running): Bad.

Briefly:

1. You barely burn calories for the time spent.

2. Your appetite increases, thereby inducing increased caloric intake.

3. Raises cortisol, a stress hormone you do not want.

4. Lowers testosterone and HGH, anabolic hormones that you do want.

In contrast, resistance training (pumping iron) burns many calories in a short time, and burns many more calories while you sleep to rebuild your body. In addition, it pumps up your anabolic hormones.


P.S. This thread is about Weightlifting and Attraction. Let's get back on topic.

[PoosyWrecker]

In past I did 6 and 10 mile runs three or four times a week without losing any flab, only when restricting total caloric intake by having my portions rationed out (Army) or avoiding high carb and sugary foods did I begin to notice changes in the waistline. It's a lot easier to skip breakfast than to go on a conditioning run.

As for 'shit food' tell that to former welterweight champ and McDonalds patron GSP, or the worlds strongest man Mariusz Pudzianowski:

Quote:

My energy comes from my diet. Breakfast is 10 eggs and two to three pounds of bacon. Between meals, I eat lots of candy. In the morning, it will be several 3 Musketeers and/or Snickers bars; I need them for energy. Lunch, at 1 or 2 PM, is a double meal of a Polish pork chop, sauerkraut and potatoes. An hour later, I work out, then take lots of supplements: magnesium, creatine, amino acids, all that stuff, and more chocolate. Dinner is whatever meat I can grab—steaks, pork chops, bacon—plus more sauerkraut and potatoes. At 9 or 10 PM, I work out again. Afterward, I have a protein shake and more chocolate. At 3 or 4 AM, I wake up and have more chocolate, then go back to sleep until morning.

[Mentavious]

I've seen fat people finish 10k and half marathons before someone 50lbs less than them have.

I've never seen a fat person run a sub 11 sec 100m dash or sub 24 sec 200m

You lose a little weight running miles
You lose quite a bit of weight running springs
You lose a lot of weight in the kitchen

[Rompetoto]

Quote:

My energy comes from my diet. Breakfast is 10 eggs and two to three pounds of bacon. Between meals, I eat lots of candy. In the morning, it will be several 3 Musketeers and/or Snickers bars; I need them for energy. Lunch, at 1 or 2 PM, is a double meal of a Polish pork chop, sauerkraut and potatoes. An hour later, I work out, then take lots of supplements: magnesium, creatine, amino acids, all that stuff, and more chocolate. Dinner is whatever meat I can grab—steaks, pork chops, bacon—plus more sauerkraut and potatoes. At 9 or 10 PM, I work out again. Afterward, I have a protein shake and more chocolate. At 3 or 4 AM, I wake up and have more chocolate, then go back to sleep until morning.

Pudzianowski was shooting like 30iu of gh daily among other things lol.

[ComebackKid]

(02-15-2014 03:57 PM)sixsix Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 07:39 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:42 PM)sixsix Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:08 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

I'm just starting lifting, but right now there's fat to burn off too (6' 1" @ 180lb). Should I just diet like crazy before attempting to ramp up the weight or can both work?

Cardio is never gonna make you lose fat.

This is simply wrong.

Great rebuttal.

High-Intensity Interval Training: Perfect and obviously also good for your cardiovascular system.

What people generally call cardio (e.g. long distance running): Bad.

Briefly:

1. You barely burn calories for the time spent.

2. Your appetite increases, thereby inducing increased caloric intake.

3. Raises cortisol, a stress hormone you do not want.

4. Lowers testosterone and HGH, anabolic hormones that you do want.

In contrast, resistance training (pumping iron) burns many calories in a short time, and burns many more calories while you sleep to rebuild your body. In addition, it pumps up your anabolic hormones.


P.S. This thread is about Weightlifting and Attraction. Let's get back on topic.

Caloric deficit is what makes you lose fat. If you create it via cardio, then you will lose fat. In your reply your shifting the argument from your previous statement "Cardio is never gonna make you lose fat." which is extreme statement to arguing that it is not an optimal way to lose fat. Your first argument is wrong (caloric deficit is what matters, whether it is created by eating less or increasing maintenance calories) and the second one is a matter of debate.

But this is OT for this thread, so there's no point in continuing to argue about this.

[sonicboom]

Girls are such a large category, and for any subset there are niches. Hipster and nyc type yoga girls usually don't view a guy who clearly worked out for hypertrophy as a "catch". They probably would be in the "would bang" category, but any okc girl with "kaftka on the shore" as an answer is not looking for a swole dude.

Hypertrophy, and affliction tees and GTL types are not sought after at all in the circles I frequent.

http://thehypefactor.com/wp-content/uplo...ybe-07.jpg

I think this guy, from the "call me maybe" video, would do better than the OP video dude, actually among most women, forgetting niches. Bitches love tats these days. And anything much past his size, which is not tiny is not going to have the widespread appeal. And definitely hurts in some niches.

[MunichSux]

Height matters for sure ... and while I see the occassional superhot chick with a 6'3'' +, 220 lbs + & moderate bf male, the message in this thread that around 200 lbs on a 6'3'' frame, you can get your fair share of IOIs even without being near a six- or eightpack (if you have the genetics for it) is one I resonate with.

I felt shitty during my "skinny bastard" days, but now I just feel great again inside my skin at what I suppose must be around 195 lbs (6'4'') ... the mirror is my weight scale. I'm getting IOIs, small talked with some surprisingly attractive women. No lays, but the point is I'm noticed by attractive women and have the selfconfidence to engage in smalltalk without getting a mental breakdown. It just wasn't in the cards at 155 lbs, lol.

[WanderingSoul]

(02-16-2014 08:29 AM)sonicboom Wrote:  

Girls are such a large category, and for any subset there are niches. Hipster and nyc type yoga girls usually don't view a guy who clearly worked out for hypertrophy as a "catch". They probably would be in the "would bang" category, but any okc girl with "kaftka on the shore" as an answer is not looking for a swole dude.

Hypertrophy, and affliction tees and GTL types are not sought after at all in the circles I frequent.

No one here wears Affliction t-shirts, or is trying to fuck hipster chicks from OKCupid.

You should start frequenting different circles, and stop watching Carly Rey Jepsen music videos.

[AntiTrace]

(02-16-2014 08:29 AM)sonicboom Wrote:  

. Hipster and nyc type yoga girls usually don't view a guy who clearly worked out for hypertrophy as a "catch".

Generalization and assumptions. And what is a "catch"? Their future husband? This thread is about attracting women, not wifing them.

Quote:

They probably would be in the "would bang" category,

Your a denialist, yet you just confirmed that hypertrophy and being muscular is attractive. You're contradicting yourself.

Quote:

but any okc girl with "kaftka on the shore" as an answer is not looking for a swole dude.

Again assumptions. You claim that swole dudes would be in the would bang category, but not a "catch". A "catch" is based on the attitude, mutual interests, and overall personality of a person. "Would bang" is based on attractiveness. They do not have to be mutually exclusive as you are implying.

Is a skinny dude that reads kafka on the beach while wearing a fedora and sipping sangria more of a catch than a swole dude that reads kafka on the beach while wearing a fedora and sipping sangria?

Quote:

Hypertrophy, and affliction tees and GTL types are not sought after at all in the circles I frequent.

Now your stereotyping muscular guys as GTL/Affliction/Jersey shore guys.

Overall, weak argument.

[sonicboom]

I'm here not to beef with anyone. I'm 100 % certain you are trying to refute something I didn't say.

I gave examples of "niches" and it's IMO true. If you wouldn't fuck a American Apparel model, fine. But I bet you don't speak for ALL of RVF. Roosh says hipster and yoga types are the last groups in america of skinny chicks.

As to what I watch, why do you care? Clearly my point has some real truth. Actresses and models who have access to any type of man, do not as a rule pick a swole guy. I'm trying to add value here and didn't say you or anyone here wears ed hardy.

[sonicboom]

I thought the baseline in the discussion is: muscle mass is attractive, but is there a point where it isn't worth it in time, or it actually hinders you?

It's obvious that a huge steroid freak has a limited or negative appeal to some segments, and probably most women, right?

It's also obvious that being muscular and fit is attractive to most women, right?

So then the question is where is the point that gives you lower returns. I simply am making the point that it varies among subgroups. Being huge will definitely get you laid in some sub groups with Zero effort ask any huge dude..

Rionomad: No one here wears Affliction t-shirts, or is trying to fuck hipster chicks from OKCupid.

That's funny because the Okc thread and and the hipster game thread are both on the FP here with ten of thousands of views. Why do you claim to speak for all of RVF, is my question.

[sonicboom]

(02-16-2014 09:29 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Is a skinny dude that reads kafka on the beach while wearing a fedora and sipping sangria more of a catch than a swole dude that reads kafka on the beach while wearing a fedora and sipping sangria?

Overall, weak argument.

I have a weak argument? You're definitely not reading what I wrote. The call me maybe guy is not skinny. Put him and brandon from that video on the beach reading. My statement is that major segments of thin, attractive women in nyc will find the less muscular dude more attractive.

[soup]

(02-16-2014 09:29 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 08:29 AM)sonicboom Wrote:  

. Hipster and nyc type yoga girls usually don't view a guy who clearly worked out for hypertrophy as a "catch".

Generalization and assumptions. And what is a "catch"? Their future husband? This thread is about attracting women, not wifing them.

Quote:

They probably would be in the "would bang" category,

Your a denialist, yet you just confirmed that hypertrophy and being muscular is attractive. You're contradicting yourself.

Quote:

but any okc girl with "kaftka on the shore" as an answer is not looking for a swole dude.

Again assumptions. You claim that swole dudes would be in the would bang category, but not a "catch". A "catch" is based on the attitude, mutual interests, and overall personality of a person. "Would bang" is based on attractiveness. They do not have to be mutually exclusive as you are implying.

Is a skinny dude that reads kafka on the beach while wearing a fedora and sipping sangria more of a catch than a swole dude that reads kafka on the beach while wearing a fedora and sipping sangria?

Quote:

Hypertrophy, and affliction tees and GTL types are not sought after at all in the circles I frequent.

Now your stereotyping muscular guys as GTL/Affliction/Jersey shore guys.

Overall, weak argument.

Ha- the swole dude reading Kafka in the fedora sipping sangria sounds like a much more gay image than a skinny guy doing it.

This is all tribal shit. Girls are going to go for the guy from the tribe they associate with.

In modern/"developed" society, having muscles is a fashion move (aside from the obvious health benefits of staying in shape). Even within the having muscles style, there are different categories:
Their are huge bulky guys, there are ottermode guys, construction-worker look, etc.

[worldwidetraveler]

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

[soup]

(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

You sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

I lift weights throughout the day.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-16-2014 12:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

You sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

Do you lift?

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-16-2014 12:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

I lift weights throughout the day.

[soup]

(02-16-2014 12:54 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

You sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

Do you lift?

I just said so.

I do 30lbs. dumbells, chin-ups, pushups, and core strengthening excercises.

I'm not huge yet, but you don't have to be huge to get girls.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-16-2014 12:59 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:54 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

You sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

Do you lift?

I just said so.

I do 30lbs. dumbells, chin-ups, pushups, and core strengthening excercises.

You edited your post while I was responding to you (which seems to be common with you). Soup, you don't lift for size like what is being talked about here.

These threads are good until people jump in saying women want slim hipsters with hair growing out of their ears. It's like some of you guys are insecure and need to argue that what you are doing is the right way.

Quote:

I'm not huge yet, but you don't have to be huge to get girls.

You can be a fat fuck and still get girls but that doesn't mean you will get the same quality/quantity if you were in shape.

[soup]

(02-16-2014 01:02 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:59 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:54 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:52 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

soup, you sure seem to have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't appear to hit the weights at all. Maybe you should stick to the hipster threads.

You sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

Do you lift?

I just said so.

I do 30lbs. dumbells, chin-ups, pushups, and core strengthening excercises.

You edited your post while I was responding to you (which seems to be common with you). Soup, you don't lift for size like what is being talked about here.

These threads are good until people jump in saying women want slim hipsters with hair growing out of their ears. It's like some of you guys are insecure and need to argue that what you are doing is the right way.

Who said anything about hair growing out of their ears? This thread is about diminishing returns with getting big, so how is discussing the importance of muscle not going to be part of the dialogue?

Some girls would rather have a guy who is cut/toned and size might not factor in so much. I'm not arguing against getting big, but we are talking here about ROI.