[TheMachinist]

If the woman you call your girl or wife doesn't cream her panties at the thought of you and isn't affraid of you on a certain level,she will never truly be yours.A woman has to know that inside her man lurks a monster thats willing to do very bad things if crossed.Im not saying a man needs to beat his woman or anything like that but she has to know without a shadow of doubt that if she gets outta pocket there will be consequences.I think a MAJOR component in game should be how to build fierce and unshakeable loyalty in a woman.We always talk about getting those 8's,9's and dimes but we also need major discussions on keeping em.

[speakeasy]

Wait...Richard Branson is married???

[Hotwheels]

Quote:

Branson ended up winning her over by flying her on a helicopter for a weekend getaway at the private island he was about to purchase.
Pretty Beta on both parts.

Really? lolzzzz

[vinman]

(01-29-2014 11:18 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

How is this 'the most red pill story ever' when your comments even call it Beta. I would entitle it, bros before hos and sluts gonna slut

Edit: Also, all of this fighting for this? That woman's got game.

Yeah. What he said. Both of these guys sound like chumps when it comes to women. Every day there's going to come another one younger and prettier.

[Vroom]

(01-30-2014 08:39 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 05:11 AM)Vroom Wrote:  

So...you wouldn't say anything if some cunt started following your wife around like a bad smell?

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A week after their first meeting, Branson surprised Joan by turning up at her workplace, a shop near London's trendy Portobello Road which sold Victorian posters and antiques.

Anxious to impress, the young Branson swept her off to Duveens, the restaurant he owned nearby. It was the start of a concerted campaign to woo her. Whenever Ronnie was away, Branson was quick to move in with dinner invitations.

He was a regular visitor to the shop, usually walking out with another memento he didn't need.

In fact, everywhere Joan went, Branson would appear, tipped off by mutual friends who worked at his record company.

He even earned the nickname Tag, for his habit of asking if he could tag along with friends who were meeting Joan that evening.

Tell him to fuck off. It's not her fault at this point.

I'm with Vicious here. It is her fault if some guy is pursing her, she's not sending a strong enough message. Sometimes its because she likes the attention or sometimes its because she is 'too nice'.

When I have had this happen before I've taken the girl aside and said "that guy is not being cool, he's being disrespectful to my relationship and thats a problem" she would try to say I'm over reacting or something placating and I would then say "its a problem, either you fix it, or I'll fix it"

If she ever said something like "oh I'd like to see you try tough guy" I'd be dead in the water and my relationship would be on the way to being done, however what would happen is that she would more sternly tell the guy to move on. If the dude got more worked up then I would step in but that only happened once.

That is the approach that I would characterize as 'fixing the girl' its making her responsible for keeping suitors at bay instead of being the victim because she was 'relentlessly pursued' which is bullshit.

Maybe she did lead him on, but you admit here that Branson is being openly disrepectful. If a guy tries to take what he knows is yours, why wouldn't you check him? Well theres a few reasons, but none that are particularly 'alpha'.

[Christian McQueen]

Branson got a woman to be the mother of his children.

Meanwhile he still bangs models on the side.

In his position he'd be a fool to not have children to carry his legacy on.

How is this not alpha?

Billionaire, gets a wife to raise his kids and still globetrots + nails hotter women then 99.99999% of men will ever bang.

[R Smoov]

I am noticing a lot of positive qualities from people named Richard.

[Sawyer]

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Maybe she did lead him on, but you admit here that Branson is being openly disrepectful. If a guy tries to take what he knows is yours, why wouldn't you check him? Well theres a few reasons, but none that are particularly 'alpha'.

I don't think it's wholly Branson's fault. There's a problem with a guy who gives so much love to a woman if he isn't 100% convinced she would rather die than disrespect him.

If you're giving more than you're receiving, keep the feelings in check or walk away.

If it wasn't Branson, it probably would have been someone else. At least Branson tore the band-aid off while the guy was still young. He still had plenty of time to rebuild, but chose not to. I don't know, better to have your girl stolen by a millionaire while you're still young than discover her boning the pool boy after 10 more years and a couple kids.

[alphaspiraton]

Just playing the devil's advocate here.

I don't think he's banging any of these broads. If anything, he's yet to come out of the closet. Doesn't this ring a bell. Be super alpha in fame yet be a homo, i.e. wolverine dude, peirce brosnan, etc., with a super ugly wife as your cover up.

         

[soup]

(01-30-2014 07:33 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

Just playing the devil's advocate here.

I don't think he's banging any of these broads. If anything, he's yet to come out of the closet. Doesn't this ring a bell. Be super alpha in fame yet be a homo, i.e. wolverine dude, peirce brosnan, etc., with a super ugly wife as your cover up.

Did you even read the story about he pursued the woman? Faggots don't do that.

He can wear lipstick and all that shit that he wants as a joke, and it won't matter because he's a fucking billionaire.

Alpha.

[Draugr]

I disagree, being alpha/the big man/king means not abusing those below you, RE: the Achilles versus Agamemnon dynamic. I don't care hiw much money a man has, white trash got money is still trash.

[Vroom]

(01-30-2014 07:06 PM)Sawyer Wrote:  

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Maybe she did lead him on, but you admit here that Branson is being openly disrepectful. If a guy tries to take what he knows is yours, why wouldn't you check him? Well theres a few reasons, but none that are particularly 'alpha'.

I don't think it's wholly Branson's fault. There's a problem with a guy who gives so much love to a woman if he isn't 100% convinced she would rather die than disrespect him.

If you're giving more than you're receiving, keep the feelings in check or walk away.

If it wasn't Branson, it probably would have been someone else. At least Branson tore the band-aid off while the guy was still young. He still had plenty of time to rebuild, but chose not to. I don't know, better to have your girl stolen by a millionaire while you're still young than discover her boning the pool boy after 10 more years and a couple kids.

Sure, it's definitely not wholly Bransons fault. After all, she is the one who broke her vows.

But the way I see it is like someone teasing a dog - if the dog is well trained it won't bite. But at the end of the day, it's still just a dog and if it does bite, it's your own fault for provoking it. The dog is acting true to it's nature, whereas the one teasing it is just being a jerk.

[All or Nothing]

No matter how you want to look at it, Joan made the right decision in the end.

Look at how both guy's lives ended up.

Richard Branson moved on to become a jet setting billionaire who lived his life on his own terms with a permanent smile plastered across his face. Without a doubt, he provided her and their children with wonderful lives filled with unforgettable memories.

Ronnie Leahy on the other hand never parlayed his initial rock star status into a long lasting career and to this day he still cries over a divorce that happened 30 years ago as if it was yesterday. If it was not the divorce, it would have been something else. The guy clearly can not handle unexpected failure.

One last thing, it has been 30 years Ronnie. Get over it!

[soup]

Drauger, don't put alphas on a pedestal. Some of the worst men in the history if the works have been alpha. Think about all the tyrants we've had. Let's be honest about this stuff. Girls like bad boys- even psycho killers, and there are dictators and powerful guys who are definitely alpha.

Heartiste writes a lot about how alphas are not the most morally upstanding citizens of the world.

Not saying that you can't have alphas that are good, but there is no direct relationship between being good and alpha.

[germanico]

Aw come on. She was the one that was married, how come he is a cunt?

Like she had no say in the matter.

[AneroidOcean]

(01-30-2014 07:33 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

I don't think he's banging any of these broads. If anything, he's yet to come out of the closet. Doesn't this ring a bell. Be super alpha in fame yet be a homo, i.e. wolverine dude, peirce brosnan, etc., with a super ugly wife as your cover up.

I once dressed up as a chick for a Halloween party. Guess I'm gay now too!

This guy that he stole the wife from may be beta, but I doubt he's so beta that his wife left him for a gay dude. Bi maybe, but doubt he's gay.

[Walderschmidt]

(01-29-2014 11:09 PM)StringerBell Wrote:  

[i]"They'd got their future mapped out. They were married 12 or 13 years and having lots of fun. Children were on the horizon but they decided to wait a while.

This is the first mistake.

(01-29-2014 11:09 PM)StringerBell Wrote:  

"Then Branson came along and wrecked everything. He simply couldn't leave Joan alone. Even now, Branson's name is dirt to Ronnie. We've all tried to joke about it but he doesn't find it funny."

No coincidence that Richard Branson came along right after "they decided to wait a while".

I wonder, if one compared wives who have been "stolen", what the ration would be between wives with no kids and wives with kids.

Wald

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(01-30-2014 06:58 AM)Mage Wrote:  

This article just makes both of these guys sound like beta.

It's a sad read for me as I was thinking of Branson as a strong personality and a good role model, but this shakes his reputation in my eyes. Stalking a married woman like that seems too obsessive. Were she a virgin it could have been pardoned but an already used woman is not worth that. He got her with money and not personality, how boring.

Ronnie - His biggest mistake was not impregnating a wife for 12 whole years. The woman's imperative is to get pregnant and if a man cannot impregnate her for whole 12 years then her subconscious must decide to reject this man and start looking for alpha seed elsewhere. There is no point to marry a woman if you don't want children. Keeping a healthy and functioning womb out of work is just asking for trouble. It doesn't matter how alpha the man was at start and how much the woman is at love in him at start - not fulfilling the biological imperative takes its toll. You can game a woman for a year or maybe five, but after that if the woman doesn't get children she starts to question her love. Nature abhors vacuum. His second mistake is obviously his Oneitis. As a Rockstar he had no need to get fixed on any single woman who was not even a mother for his children.

It seems to me that Joan really wanted children and the fact that she got preggy from Bronson, quite fast and the whole drama surrounding her pregnancy in contrast to 12 childless years with rockstar guy - all that involuntary played in Branson's favour and cemented their relationship. That and his money.

Good point!

Let me add another. Ronnie said: "I confronted him - there was no violence or anything - we had a meeting and I asked him for the sake of our marriage to leave Joan alone."

Sorry man, but this is where you do threaten violence. It has a two-pronged effect since it scares the guy and turns on the woman (even though she'll say otherwise). By being laid back about a threat to his marriage, he showed he really didn't have much passion.

I think what he really regrets isn't that she got away but that he let it happen. It's not a matter of her, it's a matter of pride. When you don't give something your all and realize it was important, that's what you regret.

Had someone tried to steal his instruments would he have thrown a punch?

[Draugr]

Soup,

That is why I used the example of Achilles and Agamemnon. Agamemnon was an alpha, but he acted unjustly towards Achilles, Achilles opts out hurting Agamemnon's cause. Agamemnon loses face in having to placate Achilles. Most tyrrants end up badly. It can be said that alphas will use brute force, betas guile, and omegas will snap.

[soup]

That's interesting that you say betas use guile because it is a sort of an alpha technique. I would argue that it's not actually the individual beta using it, but the collective consciousness of betas using to perpetuate their seed. No beta would consciously be able to use guile.

[Barron]

(01-31-2014 01:54 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 11:09 PM)StringerBell Wrote:  

[i]"They'd got their future mapped out. They were married 12 or 13 years and having lots of fun. Children were on the horizon but they decided to wait a while.

This is the first mistake.

(01-29-2014 11:09 PM)StringerBell Wrote:  

"Then Branson came along and wrecked everything. He simply couldn't leave Joan alone. Even now, Branson's name is dirt to Ronnie. We've all tried to joke about it but he doesn't find it funny."

No coincidence that Richard Branson came along right after "they decided to wait a while".

I wonder, if one compared wives who have been "stolen", what the ration would be between wives with no kids and wives with kids.

Wald

Hypergamy Doesn't Care.

[w00t]

*sigh* ... rooshforums

Richard Branson multi-billionaire and probably banged thousands of girls.

But is a chump because he dressed up in womens clothes once and is married.

Strong logic there!

[Draugr]

Soup,

Its societal, after the industrial age and the rise of police forces, the male traits of directness and taking action have faded into the background. To pull another example from The Iliad, Odysseus was considered a sneaky shit in Antiquity, even the fact that he was shorter than the other Greek leaders showed he was considered less manly. He is the one who devised the infamous horse.

In many ways alpha and beta are situational, its a question that has plagued mankind since he first began. Agememnon was the alpha of the Greeks at Troy, but he couldn't win without Achilles. Achilles was alpha on the battlefield, but he didn't win the Trojan war, in fact he was killed by an arrow shot by Paris who was held in contempt as a pussy. But Paris made off of with Menalaus' (the brother of Agamemnon) wife, Helen, so Paris would be considered alpha. Hector, Paris' brother, held of the Greeks from Troy for years, but in the end was slain by Achilles and his son thrown from the walls of Troy, sonthere went his seed. The Greeks would never have taken Troy without Odysseus' strategy, so that makes him alpha though he was considered a short sneaky shit who just wanted to get home to his wife Pennelope (see the Odyssey.) And in the end Agamemnon was killed by his wife and her lover in the bath when he got home, so so much for that alpha.

So of the Greek heroes of the Trojan War was most alpha? Who was beta? Its situational.

Returning to the Branson case, prior to the 19th century the woman's husband could have called Bransin to the field of honor to settle the issue up to the point of death. Prior to the 1960s Branson could have been sued for alienation of affection. But in the modern age most men either have to disassociate or ruminate when they are betrayed.

[UnW]

Was reading his autobiography recently, inspiring.