[Daygamer]

I'm 20 years old, i have been into game for about 2 years.
I speak english, spanish, and a some portuguese.

I went to film school and i hated it, i'm an artsy person but the arrogancy of this people was hillarious, like they think they are kubrick by just be paying a tuition.

I started to make money online about 1 year ago, not too much, but enough for traveling, chase girls, and save some money. I'm pretty sure i can make a lot more if i work harder.

Meeting incredible people from different places living in their own way i realized i want lifestyle like that, but i still want to study, for the experience, to get useful knowledge, networking, etc.

I'm pretty sure the film school was a bad decision, maybe in a big one in a city with a strong industry, with a lot of people to network, would be good, mine was a little and snoby one in a city without industry.

I want to study in Brazil or Europe because the education is high quality and cheap, my goal is still making money independently, so i don't really care for careers with high conventional prospects like enginering, law, etc.
I want to continue working online at the same time i study.

Im looking for a career that:


1. Will be useful in life or business.

I think social sciences/communication/arts can help me to understand people and really help me in a lot of aspects, while i don't think that would help me a lot in business.
Business administration/Economics/Marketing would help me a lot more in my projects but i would miss the oportunity to debate and learn about stuff i really like.


2. Will give me networking with high-end people.

About the same, i dont think social sciences would give me acces to the top class girls or guys, and maybe some great jobs in different places. A career like business maybe the option too, maybe marketing too.


3. Will satisfy me intellectually

I think studying arts, communication or social sciences will be a lot more interesting and eye-opening than business or marketing.


4. Have hot girls

This is not so necesary, i think that a place with high-end guys would be actually a lot better, they would be better contacts and will get me in their social sircles, also i trust more in guys, but having hot girls in college is always good.
Anyway i think probably communication or marketing are the best choices for that.



This is what i have thought about how long it will be and and what countries:

- 4 years of study in Brazil

- Bachelor 4 years of study in Brazil>2 years in Europe (a posgraduate degree, in anything not so demanding)

- Bachelor 3 years in Europe> Bachelor 3 years in Europe

- 2/3 years in an art institute in Latin America> Bachelor 3 years in Europe


If i study something like photography or video production again i wouldn't like to spend 4 or 5 years, that is why an institute or a posgraduate seem like an excelent option, it would be just 6 years to get two degrees/contacts in different places and in europe i probably can make a semester abroad so i would have lived in 3/4 countries, i will have a great international network and mastered 3 languages by the time i reach 26
.
Tha problem of studying in a institute of photography/film in Latin America is industry is not really good, and those institutes are pretty small, not a great place for networking, but at the same time the education may be pretty useful, i think photography and video production are great options to work indepently today, thanks to the internet, maybe a posgraduate in Europe will give me better connections

The path of Brazil and posgraduate can give me the experience of study and network in 4 countries. In Brazil it would be something like marketing or communication i think.

Do you think 6 years of study is too much?
Any career suggestions?
I have been thinking a lot about it this days i really apreciate any comment.

[Sonsowey]

I can't speak to your personal sotuation, but I am 25 and finishing a masters in the next year. I entered University and really wasted my time there. If you are unsure what you want to do, take your time, there is no need to begin studying right now. Plenty of people in my Masters program are in their 20s and plenty are much much older. Its all cool so if you have a good life based on online income, I would wait until you really are sure about what you want to study since its a huge commitment of time that doesnt seem necessary for you.

Something else to consider is that in the U.S., Latin American degrees are treated like garbage. I work with many immigrants. Doctors and lawyers who come to the U.S. are often left unable to find any work n their industries and resort to menial jobs. Perhaps there are very good schools that carry some weoggt but the general American attitude is that Latin American degrees dont count. Terrible but true.

How are you currently making money online, some kind of marketing?

[libertad1312]

You are in a great situation, as you can already get enough money online to support a cool lifestyle.

Just study life and do what you want to do. As long as you will learn something new every day and keep improving yourself it will bring you much further than wasting your time at the university.

[Daygamer]

I had hurry to study to meet people and open possibilities while settling in another country, maybe i should just travel enjoy my time and then decide..

[Sp5]

(01-30-2014 06:51 PM)Daygamer Wrote:  

I had hurry to study to meet people and open possibilities while settling in another country, maybe i should just travel enjoy my time and then decide..

Are you American and is English your first language? It's difficult to give advice if we don't know your nationality and situation.

[Daygamer]

I'm Chilean, i have traveled to Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Panama and Florida.
Like i said i make a decent amount every month online, but is not too much, i have traveled several times to Florida i have family there. I can afford traveling to latin america with my income (i resell services to local companies) while still saving, until i got into game i was not paying close attention to girls there. But i have to say i really liked the brazilian girls i have seen in Florida, well actually the latin girls in Florida were pretty amazing in comparision to the average girls i usually see in the streets here, i realized where the stereotype is coming from.

Also i dont know if being a gringo changes things too much, but as a chilean i have not received crazy love in Peru or Colombia, with Peru, Chile has historical conflicts, even with that i have some success, but with average girls. Colombians were disappointing except for Medellin where while it is true that they are really hot, i have not find them easy at all, anyway i get bored of the city pretty fast and i met a really hot girl from the capital (something uncommon because the rolas, except for the high class girls with princeess attiudes, are pretty average too). I have been there for a while just because i don't know what to do and i met this hot girl after a crazy amount of approaches. But still not very happy i find the really nice girls are pretty hard to get, i dont get along with people here very well, or at least the people i want to with the high class girls.
So i tought i should get the hell out of here, get in a career in Brazil to get into good social circle and get into another culture/language. But i seriously don't know what to study, i have thought trying another city for now.

I don't like to complain and say that a city is hard, im sure if i work harder here i could get more girls, but i just don't want to, i don't know why should i, if can go to a place that i like more and do it there.

[Sp5]

OK, I would go to Spain, rents are low right now. Unemployment is high, but if you have income or savings it could be a good place to be. If you have 100000 euro you can buy a good apartment.

Or, why not Asia? You could go to the Philippines and improve your English, there are English language schools plus plenty of English-fluent Filipinas. Thailand is interesting and inexpensive to live in. You can go to China and learn Chinese and teach Spanish, Chile is on the Pacific and China will be a major trading partner. I presume Japan is too expensive up front. Look at Taiwan, too.

[Daygamer]

I never felt really attracted to asian culture, but it maybe eye-opening to go to a non-western country, thailand seems like one of those places to be right now, i will think about it.

[DaveR]

Some points:

- what do you want those degrees for? Only employees need degrees. Company directors and people who work for themselves don't need them.

- I think six years of study is too much, because it would involve spending a lot of money which you don't yet have. When you graduate, you will still need what every fresh graduate doesn't have - experience.

- If you are motivated and interested in the subject, all of the knowledge you will acquire during your degree study is available in books and online. Don't make the mistake of thinking that universities are about education. They're only about qualifications.

- Educational institutions are not good places to network. In universities you will only meet students who are in the same situation as you, and professors who mainly associate with other academics. Neither will be very useful to your career.

- A lot of pro photographers and filmmakers run their own courses. You should go on those courses, network, learn, and try to land an assistant job. If you're good at what you do, you'll learn much more from them than you will from textbooks and lectures.

- try to get citizenship of a European country if you don't already have one. I believe Chileans can acquire Spanish citizenship if they live in Spain for two years. Spanish citizenship will give you the right to work and live anywhere in the EU - something which is very difficult for non-EU citizens, even those of wealthy countries like the US, Canada, etc.

- teaching languages can get you in contact with the wealthy in Russia and Ukraine. I know a few private language teachers in both countries who are quite well connected.

[Daygamer]

If marketing/business/film just networking and learn useful things for my own projects.
If social sciences/communication, i really enjoyed the few lectures i had about those topics, even if i know that it have very bad prospects i would like to have the experience to get differents points of view, but if i do that i will really need to get better making money independetly.

I have already tought about Spain, i tought it would be really cool to have european citizenship to travel without visa to a lot of countries more and have the possibility to work in Europe.
But Spain seems to be a very racist country, there have been a lot of incidents of chileans being deported from the airport even if they were just doing a scale, this have happened even with Brazilians and Argentineans.
Uruguayans and Argentineans are supossed to be the less discriminated, i have met white uruguayans that told me they where also treated like "people who came to steal jobs".
It seems that in Spain a lot of people are getting into that, specially now that spaniards need to blame someone for their crisis. I dont want to say that all people are like that, i have met also people who get luck there (most of them went about 15 years ago when the economy was good and there were no mass inmigration), but from what i have heard itt seems that most Latin Americans have low status, no matter how educated or if they are just tourists.
So that is the first reason im not going to Spain, despite i have heard that Barcelona is a very friendly city, and even if it is not, there must be a lot of tourist and foreign students. But the situation of this particular region is very unstable, the people from Barcelona (Catalanes) want to be independent, they have been forced to be part of Spain because it was a powerful country that could impose its law, but seems it is not anymore and they are getting international support.
At the same time with the crisis and the exodus of workers, Spain might get out of the European Union on the other hand the European Union may collapse too. So i think invest time there just to get the nationality can be a big risk.
Also i have read in the forum that local girls are very conservative.

Do you know information about visas to teach in Russia? do your friends teach english?

[DaveR]

The same discrimination that you wrote about exists in all EU countries. Employers are required to offer positions to candidates from the EU before those from non-EU countries. For small businesses, hiring you legally would be difficult due to the amount of red tape. As I wrote earlier, Americans and Canadians face the same issues, even if they are highly educated.

In terms of gaming women, discrimination is a non-issue as you can just say you're from Argentina, Mexico, Italy or wherever. Being a popular tourist destination, there will also be other nationalities you can go after.

Rumours about EU collapses are not credible. There are also rumours that California will split from the US and form its own country, but it's equally unlikely. Despite being the most problematic aspect of the EU, not even a single member has left the currency union. Similarly, there have been independence movements in Catalonia since the 1930s, but they are not serious propositions. In terms of risk, two years is not a lot of time. You can still take holidays in other European countries while you're in Spain, can still run your online business, and can study in your native language. If you chose another country, you'll probably be faced with decades of visa issues and limitations on where and how long you can live in each country. In some countries there are no visa categories for independent people, making it impossible to live as you are planning.

Visas in Russia are are not a big issue. Everyone eventually finds a solution. I know teachers of English and Italian. English is the most popular, but Italian, Spanish and French are also studied by young women and those looking to spend a lot of time in 'holiday' destinations.

[Architekt]

University is one of the greatest places on the planet in my opinion. Hot, young women everywhere, and access to pretty much every last bit of information on any topic you might care to learn about

[DaveR]

(02-01-2014 07:03 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

University is one of the greatest places on the planet in my opinion. Hot, young women everywhere

That's all fine when it's funded by infinitely-deferrable government loans, but this guy has to pay for it with his own money.

(02-01-2014 07:03 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

and access to pretty much every last bit of information on any topic you might care to learn about

There are a lot of things you can't learn in any university. Formal study is only really half of a person's education.

[Valhalla]

How do you make money online

[Seth_Rose]

I know Sourcecode has a lot of info on studying abroad as I see it in his signature.

I personally never studied abroad, rather I interned abroad. I was with the State Department at a U.S. Embassy; amazing experience. Depending on what country you go to, it will undoubtedly meet your four requirements (Hot girls, networking, experience, intellectually stimulating). I don't know if that is something you would be particularly interested in, but it is definitely worth pursuing. If you want more info feel free to PM me.

Edit: Damn, didn't see you were Chilean. Rules that out...

[Daygamer]

Well in Chile education is insanely expensive, but it is a ridiculous price when you compare it with what you have to pay in the USA.
That is why i thought if im going to study it will be in Brazil or Europe, education is very cheap.
I don't know why, but for example studying in a German, Finish, French university can be arround 300 euros per year, almost free if you care to learn their language. It seems that western european countries (i dont know about Poland or Czech republic, etc) are obsessed to transmit their cultures arround the world, so if you do make them happy, you will have your reward. Also maybe they are trying to get a more qualified inmmigration.

Anyway it is not so easy to learn lenguages, you still have to pay high rent and taxes, you are at least studying 45 hours a week, and you are anchored to that specifical place for some years, time that you can focus in another things, i think that is what i really need to consider.

I know discrimination for jobs is against any non-european, but i don't think that a Canadian will receive the same treatment that latin americans complain they receive in the Madrid airport for example, i also dont think people would be pissed thinking the Canadian is stealing their jobs simply because they think the Canadian have tons of money.

Also i don't think it is exactly two years, do you need two years of residence, the process may take about one year, anyway i still thinking about Barcelona, or maybe in the spanish islands, from what i see every year there is an invasion of party girls, it can be like heaven, but i think anyone would get bored after a while?

Also i have been thinking, there are no borders in European countries right? so i can just rent an apartment in Barcelona/Ibiza/Madrid, spent some time there and if i want, i can travel over all Europe having residence status while i rent my place, receipts still coming to my name, and there is not any record tha i left the country, it would be like living there no?

[Switch]

It seems like you don't truly know what you're after. There's no point in going to university and studying something just for shits and giggles. They also aren't a great place to network. If you really want to know something about film or photography just buy a film book and read all the way through it and if you're still really interested, then fork over the cash for University. You sound like you're in a great situation right now with an online income, but I'd wait a little longer before forking over the big bucks for a University degree that, as it sounds right now, you really don't even need.

[DaveR]

(02-01-2014 02:20 PM)Daygamer Wrote:  

Also i have been thinking, there are no borders in European countries right? so i can just rent an apartment in Barcelona/Ibiza/Madrid, spent some time there and if i want, i can travel over all Europe having residence status while i rent my place, receipts still coming to my name, and there is not any record tha i left the country, it would be like living there no?

There are no borders within Continental Europe, but a lot of data is collected for tracking purposes. You'll have to avoid the following:
- payments by bank/credit cards
- travel by public transport (train, bus, plane) - traveller details are usually recorded on these
- car rental
- staying in hotels (guests are always registered with the Police). Stay in private apartments instead, but in some countries apartment owners will also register you with the Police (eg. in Italy).

[aguirre]

I'm also in the same situation,I studied abroad for one time in Lithuania and it has been the best experience in my life,I wish I could have done it before.

I'm looking to study another bachelor and master while I build my online business,Im 23 and I feel that it will be funnier for me to study abroad rather than spend my time in my original country(Spain).

For the OP,all the things you say about Spain are a myth:

-The days of "racism" and "they are stealing our jobs" are totally gone.It happened at the beginning during the early 2000s,when a mass of uncontrolled inmigration arrived to Spain,also,It arrived the "worst" of lot of countries,like for example lot of gypsies from Romania and Eastern Europe,so it's normal that people have do adapt and assimilate all the inmigration.
There are almost 1 million of romanian people,1 million of arabs and 1 million of south americans.

You can check the data here:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C...spa%C3%B1a

Also,you have to include the huge contingent of tourists and floating population that is within the country.

-The days of big crisis are gone,everything started in 2008 and now is 2015,the economy started to take off during the last year.

-The "independence of Catalonia",is just a political battle between the catalonian regional government and the central governement,and they won't achieve absolutely anything.They make lot of noise on TV but they won't get anything.

Referring to the topic of studying abroad,if you study in Europe you will get an European degree,that is valid within all the European Union.

You can check this site:

http://www.studyineurope.eu/

Also,if you wanna know about any specific country,you can google ,for example "study in poland",there are websites like from almost all european countries.

Hope is useful the information