[Kish]

(12-22-2010 03:25 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Not all women on dating sites are messed up. Some just have a limited social network, maybe just moved to town, or don't like the kinds of guys they run into at bars and clubs. The one good thing you can say is that the women online ARE serious about meeting a guy if they went through the trouble to punch in their credit card number and write a profile. Not like the flakes in the field who give out their number and don't call or text back because they're more interested in attention or dancing with their cockblocking friends than actually meeting a guy.

Very true. I tried it for the first time a few months back. What I liked about it was how easy it was. If you have a decent picture u'll have girls approaching you. Now will they be super models? Probably not. But if your on a slump online dating is great. Don't we always say that dating is a numbers game? I can approach 30 girls in less then hour online. You can cover more ground without wasting time and money.
If your a student and have limited funds or are just flat out lazy..online is the way to go. Also during the holidays and new years its fantastic. A lot of lonely and horny women on these site around this time especially.

[oldnemesis]

(12-27-2010 03:08 AM)phoenix abroad Wrote:  

This is really interesting. I like the idea of applying my computer programming knowledge and online marketing knowledge to optimize click-through and conversion rates on a dating profile. If nothing else it would be an interesting experiment.

Especially if you consider possibilities with the smart phones - for example, your crawler found a new ad, sent you a notification which popped up in your phone while you're drinking beer in a bar with friends. You choose which one of your five pre-recorded "hello" messages to send, press a button on your phone, and it is done.

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But if you send the same message to 1000 people aren't you just doing copy-paste on a larger scale? You would think that individualized messages would get a better response, but maybe the extra time required isn't worth a slight increase in conversion rates.

You aren't. Your computer does, while you're having fun. Think of it as approaching everyone for you in a bar.

Regarding individual messages, I am not sure there are any benefits. They require a lot of time - at least 20 minutes to create a good message - and spending such amount on a chick you haven't even seen a picture of is meaningless. It also makes the impression you're trying too hard.

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Maybe we could hire Virtual Assistants to help. Outsourcing your dating profile could be interesting.

I was thinking about it, but there are some issues. First is the time zone difference - getting SNLs online is often the timed activity, first-come-first-served, and timed response is critical to success. Second is culture difference - maybe some Chinese or Indian dudes know about how dating in Western world works, what you're supposed to say and what not to say, but I wouldn't rely on it. And third, it feels kinda weird. I remember reading in "4 hour work week" Tim Ferris claimed he asked his assistant to write something to his wife, and I thought "this is something really creepy here" (but his book was full of such bullshit, so it didn't even surprise me; I can't believe anyone could consider him seriously though)

[phoenix abroad]

(12-27-2010 11:39 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

You aren't. Your computer does, while you're having fun. Think of it as approaching everyone for you in a bar.

Regarding individual messages, I am not sure there are any benefits. They require a lot of time - at least 20 minutes to create a good message - and spending such amount on a chick you haven't even seen a picture of is meaningless. It also makes the impression you're trying too hard.

Great point, so it is sending the same message but having the computer send it to 1000 girls automated, which saves a shitload of time.



I was thinking about it, but there are some issues. First is the time zone difference - getting SNLs online is often the timed activity, first-come-first-served, and timed response is critical to success. Second is culture difference - maybe some Chinese or Indian dudes know about how dating in Western world works, what you're supposed to say and what not to say, but I wouldn't rely on it. And third, it feels kinda weird.

(12-27-2010 11:39 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

I remember reading in "4 hour work week" Tim Ferris claimed he asked his assistant to write something to his wife, and I thought "this is something really creepy here" (but his book was full of such bullshit, so it didn't even surprise me; I can't believe anyone could consider him seriously though)

Yeah I remember that part, having other people communicate on your behalf can seem kind of weird.

I agree that some of four hour work week stuff is a stretch, but I am curious why you think the book is bullshit? I followed his outline to creating a "muse" business and after 6 months I now have an online income stream that is enough to support me without a "real job".

[oldnemesis]

(12-29-2010 03:22 PM)phoenix abroad Wrote:  

Great point, so it is sending the same message but having the computer send it to 1000 girls automated, which saves a shitload of time.

Yes. There are several approaches to win the numbers game. One is to spend more time on a specific girl than other guys (most of whom also only dump scripted messages on her). This is more relevant if you're looking for a GF. Another is to spend time to cover more potential targets - and this is more relevant if you're looking for a low-effort fuck.

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I agree that some of four hour work week stuff is a stretch, but I am curious why you think the book is bullshit? I followed his outline to creating a "muse" business and after 6 months I now have an online income stream that is enough to support me without a "real job".

Interesting. Personally I found it extremely shallow in any way regarding how to run business - even "small business for dummies" book series contain more valuable information and less bragging and drama than "four hours workweek" (those really annoyed me). Unless you're one of those guys who was blind and deaf during last five years, and never heard of outsourcing (especially to India - this is REALLY revolutionary!), affiliate programs or Internet commerce, I really wonder what exactly have you found in this book that you didn't know before?

And of course here's the reality of changing economy regarding dropship-type business. In 2005-2006 all of my online purchases (electronics, software) came from U.S. sellers. In 2007 roughly 10% came from international sellers; now it is 2010, and over half of my purchases came from China (Hong Kong) or Canada. There is also visible decline of US sellers on eBay and other online marketplace sites, the only guys who can survive are U.S. sellers who ship from US (which means warehousing, stock and stuff). I believe this kind of business will move to Asia completely during the following five years. But Tim will probably publish another book at that time.

[phoenix abroad]

(12-29-2010 08:03 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Interesting. Personally I found it extremely shallow in any way regarding how to run business - even "small business for dummies" book series contain more valuable information and less bragging and drama than "four hours workweek" (those really annoyed me). Unless you're one of those guys who was blind and deaf during last five years, and never heard of outsourcing (especially to India - this is REALLY revolutionary!), affiliate programs or Internet commerce, I really wonder what exactly have you found in this book that you didn't know before?

Sure I knew about outsourcing and ecommerce, but the 4HWW showed a general framework of how to leverage them into a minimal upkeep revenue stream. For me the book really showed hey it is actually possible to work just a few hours a week and still make enough money to do what you want and then the book shoved me in the right direction.

I agree that he leaves out significant business details, I had to stumble and fill in the blanks myself. And that is why I am writing about these important tactics on my blog to try and help other people get past common barriers.

(12-29-2010 08:03 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

And of course here's the reality of changing economy regarding dropship-type business. In 2005-2006 all of my online purchases (electronics, software) came from U.S. sellers. In 2007 roughly 10% came from international sellers; now it is 2010, and over half of my purchases came from China (Hong Kong) or Canada. There is also visible decline of US sellers on eBay and other online marketplace sites, the only guys who can survive are U.S. sellers who ship from US (which means warehousing, stock and stuff). I believe this kind of business will move to Asia completely during the following five years. But Tim will probably publish another book at that time.

That seems reasonable. My business is strictly digital only though, I avoided dealing with dropshipping. From what I have heard, trying to set up reliable dropshipping can be a complete nightmare.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(12-26-2010 10:34 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

@ Playa - can you give some of your intel on plain sight websites that you would normally check for extra freaky women?

The first thing I usually do is to screen out the attention whores. On Match this isn't so much of a problem but on "free" sites(POF, okCupid, old Myspace) I feel that at least 75% of girls there aren't even serious about meeting up let alone fucking.

I don't even bother writing to any girl that(girls who contact me first I respond on a case-by-case basis):

1. Has any close up pictures in a bikini.
2. pictures showing her bra or panties.
3. pictures showing her cleavage.
4. pictures of showing her ass in leggings.
5. pictures showing her tongue ring.
5. Brings up any sexual innuendo on her profile description.
6. has little or no profile description.
7. professional pictures.

Girls who do any of the above are there solely for attention and to inflate their Ego's. Fortunately, 90% of guys on those sites spend their time trying to contact those girls. So there is zero competition for girls who would actually put out.

I then screen for fat chicks and trolls. My goal is not to meet anything less than a 5.
Red flags.

1. Pictures that appeared to have been scanned(old pictures when she was 100 pounds lighter)
2. Only one picture or only head shots.
3. Pictures that appeared she took herself.
4. pictures that are all in the winter.(hiding those rolls)
5. bad pictures.(out of focus, bad lighting, etc)

By now you probably have eliminated 90% of girls on the site. Which is good because it cuts your list of prospects to a manageable size and you can concentrate on spitting the best game you can increasing your ROI.To find the freaks I actually read the profiles very carefully and go through them like fine-toothed comb.

I prioritized and concentrate most of my time on the following type of girls

1. Cops, Correction officers, military, paramedic, flight attendants.
(The line that always works "I used to date a girl in your profession, I totally understand")
2. Young, lives in her own place, Works a weird shift, is ambiguous about her work and has a banging body.(Masseuse,stripper, escort)
3. Women with extremely long profile description.(like a blueprint to fucking them)
4. Young but very religious.(over compensating for her whoreish ways)
5. Women with no profile picture but willing to show it if you ask(married chicks window shopping)
6. Girls who "love" to travel but actually have the pictures to back it up.(single women travel for the same reason single men do; to fuck )
7. Au pairs.
8. 18-21 who appear to have low self esteem.(college freshman, slightly overweight girls who aren't Black, daddy issues)
9. If she's not in your ethic group and is willing to meet up.
10. Multiple piercings and tattoos.

Once you exchange the first messages, the key is not to bring up anything sexually related and not appeared overly thirsty. I usually shoot for a meet no later than the 3rd or 4th exchange. You don't want to end up in the Pen Pal zone..

[Kish]

(01-01-2011 03:41 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I prioritized and concentrate most of my time on the following type of girls

1. Cops, Correction officers, military, paramedic, flight attendants.
(The line that always works "I used to date a girl in your profession, I totally understand")
2. Young, lives in her own place, Works a weird shift, is ambiguous about her work and has a banging body.(Masseuse,stripper, escort)
3. Women with extremely long profile description.(like a blueprint to fucking them)
4. Young but very religious.(over compensating for her whoreish ways)
5. Women with no profile picture but willing to show it if you ask(married chicks window shopping)
6. Girls who "love" to travel but actually have the pictures to back it up.(single women travel for the same reason single men do; to fuck )
7. Au pairs.
8. 18-21 who appear to have low self esteem.(college freshman, slightly overweight girls who aren't Black, daddy issues)
9. If she's not in your ethic group and is willing to meet up.
10. Multiple piercings and tattoos.

Once you exchange the first messages, the key is not to bring up anything sexually related and not appeared overly thirsty. I usually shoot for a meet no later than the 3rd or 4th exchange. You don't want to end up in the Pen Pal zone..

Great list! Btw I usually wait until after her 2nd email response to get the number and set a meetup. Tho some girls give out their number during the first email response or even suggest a meetup without me even asking! LOL

There are some HORNY women online.

[oldnemesis]

(12-29-2010 10:15 PM)phoenix abroad Wrote:  

Sure I knew about outsourcing and ecommerce, but the 4HWW showed a general framework of how to leverage them into a minimal upkeep revenue stream. For me the book really showed hey it is actually possible to work just a few hours a week and still make enough money to do what you want and then the book shoved me in the right direction.

I still don't understand what exactly did you find in this book. eBay and Amazon marketplace have been there quite a while, and they're full of people who're doing pretty much like that, more or less. Did you just need some inspiration?

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That seems reasonable. My business is strictly digital only though, I avoided dealing with dropshipping. From what I have heard, trying to set up reliable dropshipping can be a complete nightmare.

True. Sometime I pay extra to a U.S. seller to get a more reliable shipping, but obviously I only choose those who have a warehouse in US. And if timing is not important, I just buy from HK, Seoul or Singapore, those sellers charge much less than any US seller.

Doing digital business is better, but there are other potential issues. I identified four so far:

1. Competition. Low overhead and low startup costs mean it is much easier for someone else to compete with you in a digital world. It depends, of course - if you developed a sophisticated platform like Facebook it would take a while for others to catch up. But if all you have is a website reselling sounds from affiliates a-la Tim Ferris example, a competitor can pop up in as little as a few days. And if they're in China or India they would always be able to sell for less, and still be profitable.

2. Piracy. This one may really kill you if you develop a very specialized product for end users who are not US businesses (and even US businesses sometime use pirated goods).

3. Litigation. There seem to be much more litigation involving digital stuff, and the playing field is not obvious yet. For example, just last month SCOTUS held in Omega vs Costco that you cannot buy a legitimate item (a watch in that case) somewhere outside US, bring it to US and sell it (the court held that first sale doctrine doesn't apply to international purchases). This may affect everyone who is selling goods - including digital ones - which have foreign origin.

4. Consolidation. I'd guess 90% of the digital marketplace is owned by less than ten players. Makes it significantly harder to get your business over some volume point.

But of course it is only relevant on larger scales; if your business makes something like $1000/mo (i.e. 12K a year) net income, then you won't encounter most of those issues. However this is not something I'd consider income which would allow you to do what you want - it is more like pocket money.

[Vesuvius]

(12-22-2010 03:35 AM)bigbootyluvr Wrote:  

Don't waste your time. Those sites are cock fests and even the fat slob AW think they are superstars. The deck is stacked against you.

Amen! Check out Roissy's post about social networking sites. The cards are stacked against you.

In the good old days I got lays off of CL, and all of those other sites. Now it's different.

Dating and social sites make you the buyer. Remember, you're not buying pussy. You're selling dick! You just have to be a good salesman. Here's what I use for motivation.

[Aliblahba]

I just signed up for a Badoo account through Facebook and have 4 chicks trying to message me. 2 are bangable and one is at least an 8, blond w/ blue eyes. Cha-ching!!!

@Player_with_a_passport- You mentioned half-nekkid girls on dating sites being attention whores. I was perusing hi5.com in Guadalajara and San Salvador. A shit ton of the chicas were in panties and bikinis. Does the same rule apply or is that part of their culture?

[playa_with_a_passport]

(01-05-2011 02:42 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I just signed up for a Badoo account through Facebook and have 4 chicks trying to message me. 2 are bangable and one is at least an 8, blond w/ blue eyes. Cha-ching!!!

@Player_with_a_passport- You mentioned half-nekkid girls on dating sites being attention whores. I was perusing hi5.com in Guadalajara and San Salvador. A shit ton of the chicas were in panties and bikinis. Does the same rule apply or is that part of their culture?

Never tried HI5 precisely for this reason. However, being a foreigner might give you brownie points with girls who are into Gringos.