[DaveR]

(06-03-2014 10:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It seems he is being targeted for immigration issues or working there on the wrong visa by the government after being tricked/denounced by English school workers who dislike him. He claims not to receive payment for teaching.

In Russia it's irrelevant whether the work is paid, paid in kind (eg. with flights, accommodation, gifts, etc.), or unpaid. Interns and volunteers are also required to have work permits or to be enrolled at a local university.

There wasn't any 'trick' involved, IMO. To apply for a tourist visa, he had to indicate that the purpose of his stay in Russia was tourism. I'm surprised that he wasn't deported a lot earlier, to be honest. The only explanation I can think of is that he's famous only to a small group of internet followers and has little impact on the ground.

[cooledcannon]

(06-03-2014 10:33 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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It was not intelligent of him to tell the world about that on video, either.

In 2011 I commented that I'm overstaying my EU tourist visa and some internet haters took to launch a public campaign where police were contacted.

If you achieve local notoriety, you have to make sure your hands are absolutely clean, because there will be haters who will spend a large amount of time trying to hurt you. I'll drop that I'm in a city/country occasionally so I can meet with my readers, but I won't make a production out of it. Also local fame is a fickle thing. One day you're soaking up the fame, thinking it will help you get women, and then the next thing is that it morphs into something else and your reputation is damaged.

Also Americans (like Philechko) have a different concept of fame. We think that any fame, no matter what it's based on, is great, but in Europe it really depends on what type of fame you have. Currently, I decline all European interviews.

Can you explain a bit more please? Im very curious. I dont fully understand how fame can hurt you. It sucks that you have haters who would do that.

[magellan]

Philocko has a porn video out with his gf Sasha giving him a blowjob. Received quite a bit of backlash from it. He has a youtube video up about it.

[xpatplayer]

(06-03-2014 03:37 PM)magellan Wrote:  

Philocko has a porn video out with his gf Sasha giving him a blowjob. Received quite a bit of backlash from it. He has a youtube video up about it.

Haha, I'm a Philochko fan and I'm not surprised in the slightest.

[speakeasy]

(06-03-2014 03:37 PM)magellan Wrote:  

Philocko has a porn video out with his gf Sasha giving him a blowjob. Received quite a bit of backlash from it. He has a youtube video up about it.

I saw it a few months back. It was a pretty shitty porn amateur porn.

Dude brags a little too much about the girls he's with, especially in a country where being in an interracial relationship can you killed by Russian Nationalists. Stormfront keeps tabs on him and posts where he's going to be. Just a few days ago a few African students were assaulted right in the center of St. Petersburg by skinheads at a festival in broad daylight. One of them put in a coma. The perpetrators of these crimes usually get a slap on the wrist if that.

[rhodey]

(06-03-2014 04:28 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:37 PM)magellan Wrote:  

Philocko has a porn video out with his gf Sasha giving him a blowjob. Received quite a bit of backlash from it. He has a youtube video up about it.

I saw it a few months back. It was a pretty shitty porn amateur porn.

Dude brags a little too much about the girls he's with, especially in a country where being in an interracial relationship can you killed by Russian Nationalists. Stormfront keeps tabs on him and posts where he's going to be. Just a few days ago a few African students were assaulted right in the center of St. Petersburg by skinheads at a festival in broad daylight. One of them put in a coma. The perpetrators of these crimes usually get a slap on the wrist if that.

Maybe but haters are gonna hate. The women he gets are generally attractive and that will get dudes jealous. Anyway it looks like he resolved his issues...

[TripleG]

This just might be the most annoying guy on the internet. Every other sentence he talks about "his connections" or brags about his lifestyle. Where is the thumbs down button?

[Constitution45]

Most black guys and arab men in Russia don't receive the hostility he gets, mostly because they integrate into the country. He comes across as arrogant and all ghetto, its going to piss some people off.

[rhodey]

(06-06-2014 05:09 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Most black guys and arab men in Russia don't receive the hostility he gets, mostly because they integrate into the country. He comes across as arrogant and all ghetto, its going to piss some people off.

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

[slotek]

The guy is far from ghetto

[DaveR]

(06-06-2014 08:13 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

(06-06-2014 10:33 PM)slotek Wrote:  

The guy is far from ghetto

You can call it what you like, but the point is: the way he speaks, dresses and acts brings far more attention to himself than his skin colour does. Nowhere in Europe will you find people who act that way.

[jimukr104]

(06-07-2014 06:17 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:13 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

(06-06-2014 10:33 PM)slotek Wrote:  

The guy is far from ghetto

You can call it what you like, but the point is: the way he speaks, dresses and acts brings far more attention to himself than his skin colour does. Nowhere in Europe will you find people who act that way.

He looks, dresses and acts like the guys I use to arrest lol. He is either Bed Sty or East NY.
That being said I keep seeing an identical guy come out of this hot chick apt on the 3rd floor. She is Russian and maybe it is him?

[slotek]

(06-06-2014 05:09 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Most black guys and arab men in Russia don't receive the hostility he gets, mostly because they integrate into the country. He comes across as arrogant and all ghetto, its going to piss some people off.

(06-07-2014 03:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 06:17 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:13 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

(06-06-2014 10:33 PM)slotek Wrote:  

The guy is far from ghetto

You can call it what you like, but the point is: the way he speaks, dresses and acts brings far more attention to himself than his skin colour does. Nowhere in Europe will you find people who act that way.

He looks, dresses and acts like the guys I use to arrest lol. He is either Bed Sty or East NY.
That being said I keep seeing an identical guy come out of this hot chick apt on the 3rd floor. She is Russian and maybe it is him?

So you like to arrest black guys that doesnt make him ghetto by any means.

@Daver hes from Brooklyn would you expect to find many people from Europe to act and speak as a guy from Brooklyn would??? How does that make him ghetto?? Is he inarticulate, or ignorant sounding in the least bit. What about him makes him ghetto other than the fact he is black??? I'm far from a race troll but these statments -just irritated the fuck out of me..... In my opinion he seems like the dude that grew up in the hood but kept his ass in the house away from any trouble maybe why hes bragging about ass, prolly just started getting it when he was older. jussayin

[rhodey]

(06-07-2014 06:17 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:13 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

(06-06-2014 10:33 PM)slotek Wrote:  

The guy is far from ghetto

You can call it what you like, but the point is: the way he speaks, dresses and acts brings far more attention to himself than his skin colour does. Nowhere in Europe will you find people who act that way.

I believe what brings attention is that he is a young articulate black man dressed in hihop attire and he pulls attractive white women in a xenophobic country

He's somewhat of an enigma because his style contradicts his core. He's basically as non ghetto as you can yet he embraces HIP HOP style This is something non black dudes can pull off routinely but it's rare for a brotha.

He's self defining, non conformist and he doesn't apologize.

He also doesn't disassociate himself from his black brethren from overseas who do not benefit from US nationality or fame.

He's got courage to speak out against racist attacks even though he knows he's being tracked by groups that don't mean him well....

I give him way more respect than dudes who brag about low hanging fruit in third world countries and inflated notch counts.

Simply put the brotha has game and for that I give him props.

[speakeasy]

(06-07-2014 04:16 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 06:17 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:13 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

(06-06-2014 10:33 PM)slotek Wrote:  

The guy is far from ghetto

You can call it what you like, but the point is: the way he speaks, dresses and acts brings far more attention to himself than his skin colour does. Nowhere in Europe will you find people who act that way.

I believe what brings attention is that he is a young articulate black man dressed in hihop attire and he pulls attractive white women in a xenophobic country

He's somewhat of an enigma because his style contradicts his core. He's basically as non ghetto as you can yet he embraces HIP HOP style This is something non black dudes can pull off routinely but it's rare for a brotha.

He's self defining, non conformist and he doesn't apologize.

He also doesn't disassociate himself from his black brethren from overseas who do not benefit from US nationality or fame.

He's got courage to speak out against racist attacks even though he knows he's being tracked by groups that don't mean him well....

I give him way more respect than dudes who brag about low hanging fruit in third world countries and inflated notch counts.

Simply put the brotha has game and for that I give him props.

I'm sure he does well over there, but he says things sometimes that make me think that game has little to do with why he's banging in Russia. I think he's a smart guy that built a great niche and made himself into a mini-celebrity. It seems as though the girls he's getting are from his niche. I don't get the impression he's cold approaching girls in the clubs of Moscow. I've seen a fair number of his videos and it looks like his strategy has been to become a youtube mini-celebrity, get paid to teach English, add tens of thousands of followers on VK and then go out to party and drink with his students after class, the majority of which seems to be young chics. It sounds like he basically has girls messaging him whenever he arrives in a new town. Great hustle and much respect for that, but I don't know how well he would be doing if he didn't have his niche.

[DaveR]

(06-07-2014 04:16 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

He's somewhat of an enigma because his style contradicts his core. He's basically as non ghetto as you can yet he embraces HIP HOP style This is something non black dudes can pull off routinely but it's rare for a brotha.

I don't know what his style is called, but if you say it's HIP HOP, then we can call it that. Did HIP HOP style not originate in the ghettos of New York?

Dressing like a hoodlum from New York doesn't give a 'creative' impression in Russia. It just makes people think they're hoodlums from New York, and they get treated as such.

(06-07-2014 04:16 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

He's self defining, non conformist and he doesn't apologize.

And that's why he is having problems in Russia. Russians expect foreigners to leave their cultures at home. They are not tolerant of foreign culture and they don't believe in multiculturalism.

Roosh said it very well earlier in this thread - Americans often think that any kind of fame or attention is positive, but in Europe it isn't the case at all.

[speakeasy]

^^^ Seriously? You really think Phil looks like a hoodlum?? You're joking, right?










So how should he dress in Russia to conform? Like a gopnik?

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And that's why he is having problems in Russia. Russians expect foreigners to leave their cultures at home. They are not tolerant of foreign culture and they don't believe in multiculturalism.

He's not permanently living in Russia, he goes over there in stints to teach English. I could see your point if he was an immigrant actually settling there for good. But why would you expect tourists or temporary workers to leave their culture at home? These people have no plans to remain in the country long term anyway.

[jimukr104]

^^^No one says Gopniks are better. They copied the Italian mafia punks we got here. I think most guys here don't try gopnik game.

If Phil took off the Durag and cap it would be a very big difference. But he is dressing ghetto. Not every one in the Ghetto automatically conforms to the whole Hip hop look. It is his choice. Like Dave said it isn't a good style in FSU and even in a non ghetto area is does raise eyebrows.
If you call that rascist ..so sue us! But I won't say it is rascist because he chooses to conform to a style that has a big gang culture connected to it. Therefore he has to live with the consequences of stereo types. Same way a guy in a 3 piece suit and tie might be stereotyped as successful white collar worker. Although he might not be.

Remember in FSU they watch crime dramas like The Shield, etc. Therefore stereotypes are going to be prevalent. Except for young students from Africa..the majority of colored guys they see tend to be businessmen and officials who are VERY well dressed.

No I don't think most cops want to arrest black people..that is rascist to even think that. Most cops arrest people who fit the descriptions of wanted perps. Blame the victims since they are the one who makes the descriptions. The average civilian knows very little about the subtleties of gang colors, tattoos , etc.

Btw--that look won't help guys of any color in Ukraine. If they think a guy is a Kentucky redneck they also won't be happy. They watch Justified I think lol.

True, a tourist short term usually won't conform but that doesn't stop the locals from "making fun" of the guys in Khaki shots, camera and flip flops.

[slotek]

Sounds like more of a case of you having to live with your stereotypes of people as opposed to the other way around....

[BigDave]

It's pretty clear there exists a subset of Russian culture that is really into hip hop culture, or whatever you want to call it. Hell I knew a girl in 2009 who was studying hip hop dancing in provincial Russia, in a small town, and there were clearly enough students to have classes.

I salute this guy for his creativity and drive, he is playing "fame game," creating a following in a foreign country where had none at home, it's pretty impressive to see and it seems to be working.

I've had 15 visas or so from Russia, including tourist, business, cultural exchange, and work visas. English teachers working on tourist visas is a common practice, and from time to time people get burned. It's one of those classic Russian things where laws are selectively enforced for reasons that are not obvious.

There was a private international school that lost all its foreign staff in Moscow earlier this year. As usual it was someone behind the scenes who pulled some strings that revealed the teachers did not have proper work visas.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/artic...95543.html

I believe Philochko when he says he has some connections, pretty obviously someone made some phone calls on his behalf.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-07-2014 05:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

He's not permanently living in Russia, he goes over there in stints to teach English. I could see your point if he was an immigrant actually settling there for good. But why would you expect tourists or temporary workers to leave their culture at home? These people have no plans to remain in the country long term anyway.

I thought is whole thing wasn't just English but English slang.

He may be feeding into the stereotype because of that even though I wouldn't see him as being ghetto either. I wouldn't classify his style at all ghetto.

We really aren't talking about our perceptions but about a different culture and how they may perceive him. I doubt they have enough experience to really know what ghetto means, at least how most of us see it.

[speakeasy]

Reading this thread is actually hilarious. Some nationalists are claiming he's in Russia to spread AIDS, lol:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=171743

[jimukr104]

(06-07-2014 06:00 PM)BigDave Wrote:  

It's pretty clear there exists a subset of Russian culture that is really into hip hop culture, or whatever you want to call it. Hell I knew a girl in 2009 who was studying hip hop dancing in provincial Russia, in a small town, and there were clearly enough students to have classes.

I salute this guy for his creativity and drive, he is playing "fame game," creating a following in a foreign country where had none at home, it's pretty impressive to see and it seems to be working.

I've had 15 visas or so from Russia, including tourist, business, cultural exchange, and work visas. English teachers working on tourist visas is a common practice, and from time to time people get burned. It's one of those classic Russian things where laws are selectively enforced for reasons that are not obvious.

There was a private international school that lost all its foreign staff in Moscow earlier this year. As usual it was someone behind the scenes who pulled some strings that revealed the teachers did not have proper work visas.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/artic...95543.html

I believe Philochko when he says he has some connections, pretty obviously someone made some phone calls on his behalf.

LOL... tbh the British International chain in Kiev has a horrible reputation. I think it is the same ownership as Moscow (was Nord Anglia) They have been known to hire unlicensed teachers. I am talking about folks who never taught or have any education background.

I know of a nanny with a BA degree and no teachers license that was hired as a 1 st grade teacher. They use to have a Ukrainian partner who ran the school and make the bribes so they could work.

Anyway, they yearly laid off teachers so as not to pay end of contract bonus. They would get laid off in a similar method....refused visa extensions because of licenses.

Heard Korea is notorious for shit like that as well.

@Speakeasy..seems some posters on that forum might be Anglo guys.

[DaveR]

(06-07-2014 06:02 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

We really aren't talking about our perceptions but about a different culture and how they may perceive him. I doubt they have enough experience to really know what ghetto means, at least how most of us see it.

Exactly. Americans may be able to distinguish between Phil's style and that of a thug from the ghettos, but most Russians cannot. There are probably a lot of nuances which foreign eyes cannot see. To non-Americans, HIP HOP = people from NY ghettos.

Jim is right about the headwear - wearing outerwear (caps, heavy jackets, etc.) indoors is boorish in Russia.

[rhodey]

(06-07-2014 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 04:16 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 06:17 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:13 PM)rhodey Wrote:  

Hmmm Ghetto? I don't see that.

(06-06-2014 10:33 PM)slotek Wrote:  

The guy is far from ghetto

You can call it what you like, but the point is: the way he speaks, dresses and acts brings far more attention to himself than his skin color does. Nowhere in Europe will you find people who act that way.

I believe what brings attention is that he is a young articulate black man dressed in hihop attire and he pulls attractive white women in a xenophobic country

He's somewhat of an enigma because his style contradicts his core. He's basically as non ghetto as you can yet he embraces HIP HOP style This is something non black dudes can pull off routinely but it's rare for a brotha.

He's self defining, non conformist and he doesn't apologize.

He also doesn't disassociate himself from his black brethren from overseas who do not benefit from US nationality or fame.

He's got courage to speak out against racist attacks even though he knows he's being tracked by groups that don't mean him well....

I give him way more respect than dudes who brag about low hanging fruit in third world countries and inflated notch counts.

Simply put the brotha has game and for that I give him props.

I'm sure he does well over there, but he says things sometimes that make me think that game has little to do with why he's banging in Russia. I think he's a smart guy that built a great niche and made himself into a mini-celebrity. It seems as though the girls he's getting are from his niche. I don't get the impression he's cold approaching girls in the clubs of Moscow. I've seen a fair number of his videos and it looks like his strategy has been to become a youtube mini-celebrity, get paid to teach English, add tens of thousands of followers on VK and then go out to party and drink with his students after class, the majority of which seems to be young chics. It sounds like he basically has girls messaging him whenever he arrives in a new town. Great hustle and much respect for that, but I don't know how well he would be doing if he didn't have his niche.

I hear you. Honestly I don't know how well most dudes would do without some edge. Many rely on unearned status and worship to get notches and that seems to be called "game".

I respect someone that can go out and create something from nothing and reap the benefits. That said, I believe Philsko was was getting Russian women in America even before he became a min celeb.


Ofcourse someone's idea of game might be different than mine. Cold approaching and other PUA inspired terms don't come to mind for me. Making yourself into something that women want is my idea of game.