[tmason]

But when I read shit like this and see what women are becoming I couldn't agree more with the pro-lifers.

Imagine a women like this as your mother:

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But fuck that narrative. It’s bullshit. It robs women of their right to be viewed as fully actualized human beings. We are not people who are a lot like men but with a psychological and biological mandate to become mothers one day, struggling to figure out if that day is today, worried that if we don’t seize this opportunity, right here and right now, we will never become what we were always meant to be: moms. We are people. Just like men are people. And just like men, some of us want to be parents. Some of us do not.

And we need to stop talking about pregnancy like it’s some kind of fucking alternative to ecstasy. Women who are carrying pregnancies they planned don’t always bond with their babies-to-be. To paint the picture of the unwanted, unplanned pregnancy as one that causes grief because of instant maternal instinct that begins around two minutes after pissing on a stick is harmful to women. It’s harmful to families. It teaches us that mothers like me are less than. We don’t love enough. We’re broken. It’s hard enough to try to nurture and support a person who moved into your abdomen and that you don’t necessarily like. It’s harder when you think not loving them makes you a sociopath.

[[Tmason: A mother who doesn't love her kids? The very beings that are her flesh and blood and came from her own body? Yes, I would say that is an extreme mental disorder worthy of being institutionalized.]]

I was fortunate. I didn’t need to have an abortion because the pregnancy terminated itself. But I can’t tell you how ready I was to have one. I have the family that I want. I have the family that I planned. I have the family that I’ve budgeted for. I have as much family as I can emotionally handle, all with special needs. I hate pregnancy. I hate newborn-hood. I do not want another baby.

[[Tmason: Imagine hearing this shit from your mother. That you wouldn't have been in this world if your mother didn't have all of the emotional stars in her life aligned. Got into an argument with her mother last week? Your ass aborted.]]

Being pregnant and being a parent has only solidified my stance as being not pro-choice but pro-abortion. No one should have to take on the immense sacrifice and responsibility of pregnancy if they are not ready. No one should be pressured into it, and no one should be forced into it. And you know what? Taking responsibility for your actions means doing the responsible thing. It doesn’t mean being forced into having a child as some kind of slut punishment. If having a baby right now is an irresponsible decision, then the only responsible move is to not have that baby.

[[Tmason: But I thought it wasn't a baby; but rather a "blastocyst"?]]

We need to change the way we talk about abortion. We need more women to understand that knowing, unequivocally, that abortion is the only right decision for you does not make you less of a woman. We need more women to understand that not wanting to be pregnant is not a moral flaw. We need more women to understand that abortions are good and safe and they save lives.

And it is totally okay that, if you need one, you ask for one for Christmas. It’s the best gift you’ll ever get.

[Seth_Rose]

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We need to change the way we talk about abortion. We need more women to understand that knowing, unequivocally, that abortion is the only right decision for you does not make you less of a woman. We need more women to understand that not wanting to be pregnant is not a moral flaw. We need more women to understand that abortions are good and safe and they save lives.

That whole article could be bolded haha.

This part really stuck out to me. That is very dangerours thinking. Abortion is a shitty issue, I hate talking about it, but at the same time it intrigues me. "When does life begin?", "Should men have a say in abortion?" (Yes), among other profound questions.

On that note, is there a consensus view of the manosphere on abortion? I don't condone a pack mentality of political thinking, rather I'm just curious.

[Mage]

Sometimes the crime is not so much in what we do, but in what we become when we do this.

Homosexuality - another sin in which many see no harm - is another example of this.

It's not that putting man's dick in anus of another man is so bad - the problem is that by doing this you become a faggot.

Similar with abortion. Whether or not fetus is equal to a born human being - killing it requires and exercizes cruelty and evil in us.

[The Beast1]

(01-23-2014 12:50 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

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We need to change the way we talk about abortion. We need more women to understand that knowing, unequivocally, that abortion is the only right decision for you does not make you less of a woman. We need more women to understand that not wanting to be pregnant is not a moral flaw. We need more women to understand that abortions are good and safe and they save lives.

That whole article could be bolded haha.

This part really stuck out to me. That is very dangerours thinking. Abortion is a shitty issue, I hate talking about it, but at the same time it intrigues me. "When does life begin?", "Should men have a say in abortion?" (Yes), among other profound questions.

On that note, is there a consensus view of the manosphere on abortion? I don't condone a pack mentality of political thinking, rather I'm just curious.

I knocked up one girl who pinned it on her "boyfriend" at the time. They called it their "miracle" kid. Idiot, you slept with me raw and you didn't with him. No wonder you got knocked up.

Same girl ends up sleeping with my old room mates, gets preggers, and then tells me it's mine. Yeah took care of that.

I don't like abortion. It's fucking hard to watch a chick go through sucking life out of her. If she's not an emotional wreck, she's psycho.

I'm pro-choice because i don't have to carry it to term. However, I don't like the thought of killing an unborn child. That's just my personal opinion.

[scorpion]

Birth control and abortion go a long way toward explaining the psychosis of modern Western women. They rob women of the natural role they were born into: mother and giver of life. Literally their entire reason for existing goes out the window with birth control and abortion freely available. There's just no way that heavily partaking in either can be anything except absolutely psychologically and emotionally devastating to women, because doing so runs counter to their biology. It's basically a form of self-annihilation. It's anti-life. It's completely unnatural, and women feel that deep down. And it makes them fucking crazy.

The analogue of BC/abortion for men would be advanced sex robots/VR porn and a trust fund or guaranteed income of some type. Imagine the damage that a man would incur to his psyche if he was able to fuck 9s and 10s on demand with no effort (as far his brain was concerned, anyway) and never had to worry about earning an income. He would be robbed of his entire raison d'etre , his purpose for existing. He would just sort of be there, taking up space, killing time, accomplishing nothing. He has no challenge, no way to prove himself as a man. He is nothing. He is slowly going insane.

Women, whose highest purpose in life is motherhood, will slowly go insane likewise when birth control and abortion block them from fulfilling their natural role. And even women who do become mothers are still poisoned by the atmosphere of birth control and abortion, because they have reduced motherhood to being a sort of afterthought, and children to being accessories of convenience rather than the defining purpose of a woman's life.

[Seth_Rose]

Brilliant point Scorpion.

[Dr. Howard]

@mage - I think I agree with what you're saying. If its legal or not a woman should at least feel the burden of making the choice. I also don't think that a man should have a 'right' to the input, the chick should listen but shouldn't be forced. I can only imagine what life would have been like if my wife had a legal say in me getting a vasectomy.

@scorpion - you're on with it explaining a mental state. Back in high school, I remember hearing about girls having post abortion meltdowns. I thought it was a little over the top but then again, I'm not a woman. I agree that there is definitely something 'not womanly' about having an attitude about an abortion equivalent to returning a sweater to JC Penny but it is something we hear about more and more...with women returning adopted kids or even adopted pets back to shelters. Its like the 'nurture' switch has been turned off.

[Daddy]

"It’s hard enough to try to nurture and support a person who moved into your abdomen and that you don’t necessarily like. It’s harder when you think not loving them makes you a sociopath."

What strikes me the most about this article is the selfishness. Always about her and the consequences for her. How can a sane woman talk about her children that way.

[darklightdispatch]

Fuck...that's one of the best things I've read in a long time Scorpion

[Combored]

[tmason]

(01-23-2014 09:36 PM)Combored Wrote:  

My my, how interesting...

ANOTHER short haired woman!!!

Almost like Tuthmosis has hit the nail on the head with saying short-haired women are damaged!

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(01-23-2014 12:50 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

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We need to change the way we talk about abortion. We need more women to understand that knowing, unequivocally, that abortion is the only right decision for you does not make you less of a woman. We need more women to understand that not wanting to be pregnant is not a moral flaw. We need more women to understand that abortions are good and safe and they save lives.

That whole article could be bolded haha.

This part really stuck out to me. That is very dangerours thinking. Abortion is a shitty issue, I hate talking about it, but at the same time it intrigues me. "When does life begin?", "Should men have a say in abortion?" (Yes), among other profound questions.

On that note, is there a consensus view of the manosphere on abortion? I don't condone a pack mentality of political thinking, rather I'm just curious.

"On that note, is there a consensus view of the manosphere on abortion?"

Abortion falls under a larger issue the manosphere has discussed. There's no consensus, but you're not gonna find it spoken of anywhere else. The issue is whether women should have ever been given the right to vote. Because no women's vote would likely mean no abortion.

That doesn't mean men are out to oppress or control women. Men also oppress and control other men, since prostitution, gambling, and other male-favored endeavors are or were illegal. It means men have a different sense of morality: what's best for society rather than what's best for me now.

Roissy has addressed these issues but I think the best writing on it was done at The Spearhead in a 2010 article titled "How Female Suffrage Destroyed Western Civilization."

Definitely worth reading. But probably not the kind of subject you'd bring up outside of these parts.

[Agent 47]

The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, is one of THE most disgusting pieces of shit i have had the displeasure of reading about. Serious, look up the sick shit that came out of her fucking mouth.

Burn in hell, cunt.

[CaP7]

At the end of the video...

She's opposed to requiring doctors to be legally obligated to transport a child, accidentally born alive during a botched abortion, because of "logistical issues.".

She's clearly lost it.

[CaP7]

Today at lunch, a mother tried to sit down beside me and fit her stroller with an infant between our tables. I looked up and gave her a little smile. She apologized to me for being "annoying". I told her that I don't think of little kids as annoying and that I was glad she was taking care of her own child.

I thought about the movie, "Children of Men," and the plot line where all the women of the world had become infertile.

This thread makes that movie seem prophetic.

[dads]

[commiejoe]

(01-24-2014 02:21 AM)dads Wrote:  

This needs to be a bumper sticker.

[Sawyer]

We all know that the law is never going to eliminate any behavior it prohibits. It may protect some innocents, it may protect many innocents. But it will never protect all innocents. So what is the real purpose of the law in a civilized society? It is to protect the commons, so that the entire populace isn't forced to live according to the mistakes of the few and be thereby dragged into hell.

I say let a thousand women die in back alley abortions, or let a thousand prosecutors use their discretion and turn a blind eye to illegal but safe abortion providers if community standards so allow.

But for fuck's sake to turn the legal commons of traditional Western jurisprudence on its head just to force public forgiveness of this barbaric practice is an abomination the presence of which gelds all men of good conscience.

It has effected our world in incalculable ways, and is unquestionably but-for causation for the rise of the modern virulent femocracy and its incessant assault on presumed innocence. And why shouldn't it? Some cunt can't keep her legs closed or some fucking idiot can't pull out and that's justification for tossing a thousand years of precedence in the trash? You've got to be shitting me.

Players play on, women abort on. But only a madman would consider a legally aborted fetus proper bedfellow of the crown jewel of masculine-built western civilization -- the common law. They are totally and completely antithetical, cannot exist along side one other, and one will overcome the other until the other is enfeebled beyond recognition.

I will never understand a man who is pro legal abortion. That is a man standing against himself and in search of his own bad end, and the bad end of his brothers.

[Beyond Borders]

(01-23-2014 12:50 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

On that note, is there a consensus view of the manosphere on abortion? I don't condone a pack mentality of political thinking, rather I'm just curious.

Glad you included that second part - we definitely don't want to encourage consensus thinking around here...

I, for one, am anti-abortion. I've been through the process before but have since - almost immediately, in fact - come to the conclusion that exterminating our own offspring is morally wrong and horribly unnatural in every sense of the word.

Some call that convenient that I came to that conclusion after using the practice for my own good. I call it growing and learning from mistakes. Nobody is born perfect.

I honestly don't think we should have the option to begin with. I also think that people would make wiser decisions about their sexual practices (who and how many they do it with, safe sex, etc) if it wasn't. Nothing like real consequences to keep behavior in check.

[big poppa]

It should be legal if;
The child was conceived in a proven case of rape
The child will come out with a mental/physical disorder that will require constant care throughout it's life
The woman's life is at risk


Generally I am anti-abortion

[j r]

(01-24-2014 02:31 AM)Sawyer Wrote:  

We all know that the law is never going to eliminate any behavior it prohibits. It may protect some innocents, it may protect many innocents. But it will never protect all innocents. So what is the real purpose of the law in a civilized society? It is to protect the commons, so that the entire populace isn't forced to live according to the mistakes of the few and be thereby dragged into hell.

I say let a thousand women die in back alley abortions, or let a thousand prosecutors use their discretion and turn a blind eye to illegal but safe abortion providers if community standards so allow.

But for fuck's sake to turn the legal commons of traditional Western jurisprudence on its head just to force public forgiveness of this barbaric practice is an abomination the presence of which gelds all men of good conscience.

It has effected our world in incalculable ways, and is unquestionably but-for causation for the rise of the modern virulent femocracy and its incessant assault on presumed innocence. And why shouldn't it? Some cunt can't keep her legs closed or some fucking idiot can't pull out and that's justification for tossing a thousand years of precedence in the trash? You've got to be shitting me.

Players play on, women abort on. But only a madman would consider a legally aborted fetus proper bedfellow of the crown jewel of masculine-built western civilization -- the common law. They are totally and completely antithetical, cannot exist along side one other, and one will overcome the other until the other is enfeebled beyond recognition.

I will never understand a man who is pro legal abortion. That is a man standing against himself and in search of his own bad end, and the bad end of his brothers.

I'm all in favor of legal abortions, at least so far as we are talking about fetuses that have no real chance of surviving outside of the womb. I guess this means that I'm not a real man or that I'm a man against myself or my brothers. I honestly don't know what most of this comment means.

When did RVF become some sort of evangelist revival meeting?

[Tommy Eyes]

I'm confused on who is getting abortions? Is it prole and underclass single women (who either have low time orientation or can fall back on the many benefits the govt gives single mothers) or SWPL single women (who's self-actualization would be impaired by a baby and are in a social strata that down at having bastard children as low class).

I'm in ideology pro-life, but realize the moral hazard of letting poor unfit mothers have unlimited children. The red states are digging their own grave by curtailing abortions. For no abortion to work, there would have to be no child tax credits and EBT. With 52% of newborns being on WIC, America is already past the point of no return.

[WanderingSoul]

Abortion saves lives?

[reaper23]

i am pro choice for early term abortions 12 weeks or earlier

i have faced two unexpected pregnancies before. once with a wife and once with a live in gf. both times we kept the kid after considering options (for about a nanosecond).

i dont think i could ever partake in an abortion, though.

i say that, but then again i haven't knocked up a bpd side piece either

any player who says they are anti abortion aint fucking enough

[FrenchCanadian]

late term abortions shouldn't be state sponsored IMO.

but I'm pro choice.