"It's really like how packs of gorillas operate when there are no females around. They get on fine, give each other handjobs, etc."
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Had a moment, thought I'd share.
Separated bedrooms a bit over a month ago. Why? Because my h was getting all the cuddling and occasional sex he wanted without actually being fun, or having to do any pursuing. (I have trouble with having healthy boundaries) The few dates we were going on ended up being negative experiences, and the more I was around my h, the more I wanted to blow the marriage up. One more sexual encounter followed by another negative interaction was pushing me into BSC divorce territory.
So, weirdly, separating bedrooms is helping me keep calm, happier, and sleeping better. The extreme highs and lows my chemistry would go through when having sporadic sex was very stressful. A study I can't find now explains that regular or no sex is better for estrogen and mood in women than sporadic sex. This is my experience.
So now we're not having sex, though I am still somewhat attracted to Kenny2 and his map is going well, especially recently where his meds are right. Why do I shut down when he initiates?
Well, three reasons I can figure out.
1-There's the whole cyclical aspect of our past sexual interactions...
sex---being ignored----shitty dates------distance------I get very lonely and horny----I fix things-----sex-----being ignored-----
So for me SEX = Loneliness and selling out
2- BUUUUUT, there's another thing holding me back from jumping back in the sack. (like loneliness and being ignored isn't enough )
For 20 years with Kenny2, here is who I was as his wife, I crossed out the parts that are disappearing as he maps.
-The one who brought all the energy and fun in the marriage
-The HD spouse
-The initiator, pursuer
-The sexy one
-The adventurous one
-The captain
-The one who could bitch about not getting "any"
-The martyr
So, if Kenny2 is getting better, stronger, hornier, happier.....
Who am I? I have no identity. no frame work if you will, as the wife of a fully functional male. My neural pathways are literally programmed to function as the wife of a low-t passive-aggressive angry Nice Guy.
So I am mapping and in coaching to develop a new identity. But some of you guys here don't have wives that have this advantage. All they see is their identity, their construct, their comfort level is being threatened by your map. Even if where things were was a shitty place to be, it is a KNOWN quantity, and like the saying says, better the devil you know that the devil you don't. .
3- and lastly, and most embarrassing.....
I am LOVING all this attention from Kenny2 right now. For the first time in 20 years, I am the focus of a man's attention. Actually, not true. For the first time in 20 years, I am the focus of my husbands attention. He wants to be near me, he wants to be nice to me, he is hungry for me, he is moving mountains for our family, and shit is getting done
part of me thinks sex is going to ruin everything. (see #1)
dammit.
That's all I got right now, I'm hoping I can figure out a way to trust that: SEX= Happy well-balanced relationship
okayyyyy, so if TLR
So, I guess #1, 2, 3 comes down to trusting the changes coming with Kenny2's map. I'm not there yet.
Quote: (01-14-2014 04:54 PM)Frost Wrote:
I'm all in favour of women in the Manosphere. Lots of guys can do a pretty good impression of an alpha tough guy over the internet, and it's useful to see which ones start doing backflips on Twitter/forums/blog comments in exchange for imaginary female e-attention. The Red Pill Woman phenomenon helps the rest of us identify the weak links.
Quote: (01-15-2014 05:08 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
After all, if the so-called manosphere just shouts and shouts about what they believe in but doesn't want women to ever become convinced and get behind them, what's the point of shouting at all? Just to shout at each other and be upset? Seems like a lot of work for nothing. Change is what we're looking for and women espousing traditional roles is change.
Quote: (01-15-2014 05:08 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
Men need their women to support them. That's the way it has always worked. Well, maybe "need" is a strong word, but it's a team-based relationship that has existed as long as humans have.
Quote: (01-14-2014 04:36 PM)Bricks Wrote:
The worst is Athol Kays forum Married Man Sex Life.
All these guys jumping though 5000 hoops to get sex from their WIVES. Toping it off is all the forum is mainly "red pill" woman giving their completely useless (non male experienced) opinions on the subject.
http://marriedmansexlife.vanillaforums.com/
Check it out for yourself. I appreciate what he is trying to do, but the shrieking attention whoring helps absolutely none of these slubs get more sex from their bitch wives.
The way this forum runs it sans woman is the only way to go.
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Failed a shit test. I will own this one because probably I did it to myself. I received my annual performance eval today at work. All glowing and above average in most all respects. I should get a good raise. Some of this I have to give credit to MMSL.
The test: I thought I would share the eval with Mrs. BetaTester. Evaluations where I work are done with the employee first giving a self evaluation. Some go for broke and (ridiculously) self rate themselves as high as possible in all areas. This really pisses off the management because it shows the employee really is not taking the task seriously. They usually suffer for it in the final scores. If you are modest, the management will usually bump you up, especially if you provide good examples. I did the latter. However DW was "Why did you give yourself average scores? That was really dumb!" Instead of "good job" is was one negative comment after another. I was so speechless I could not think of what to say.
One explanation is PMS time is here. I suppose I could have explained how the game is played, I could have rated myself a bit higher in some areas. However I did not expect this rating as I have had some bad luck at this job in the past. I exceeded my own expectations.
So I am trying to learn my lesson here. Should I not share during PMS time? Give a better alpha response to the test? WTF I thought it was a good thing to do well at work.
Quote: (01-15-2014 10:03 AM)darklightdispatch Wrote:
Women who claim to be "red pill" are just the outliers and attention-seekers who inevitably latch onto any male subculture or activity once it picks up a certain amount of momentum.
...These two things will always happen. They will always destroy the value and usefulness of the formerly male space.
- Women demand concessions, special treatment, "respectful" language, etc. Majority of men comply.
- Women attention whore. Many of the men spend their time trying to impress, attract the women. Productivity dries up.
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Looking to a woman for support is turning her into your mother.
Quote: (01-15-2014 12:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
I've ranted about this issue before in other threads, so my opinion is known.
Women are here to stay, precisely because men are so desperate for them to be here.
I'm enjoying the simp factor. There's nothing quite like seeing a bunch of self-proclaimed alpha males cuddling up to Internet women.
Why would I read a "red pill woman's" blog when there are real women available to satisfy me in any way imaginable?
Oh, wait…Do you mean to tell me that the vast majority of guys are keyboard players?
Quote: (01-14-2014 03:45 PM)scorpion Wrote:
The no-women-allowed policy on the RVF is one of the most important features of the forum, in my opinion.
Quote: (01-15-2014 03:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:
Great, so the fact that she's conscious that she thinks he's boring and Beta and wants a divorce is "a step forward".
Quote: (01-16-2014 03:34 PM)finton_the_toole Wrote:
It's likely the red pill will go seriously mainstream in 2014/5. This means television. This means watered down to shit. This means gross caricatures. This means pandering to the predominantly female audience.
At the end of the wave of blandness that may soon come upon us, red pill and manosphere may be dirty words.
Quote: (01-17-2014 03:12 AM)Tytalus Wrote:
As many have pointed out, we can't have it both ways. We can't endless complain that all women are feminist cunts and then the minute a few women start saying, "you know, there might be something to this red pill stuff" and then we say "ATTENTION SEEKING WHORES GONNA DESTROY US ALL!!!!" the next.
It's called hypocrisy.
Quote: (01-17-2014 03:12 AM)Tytalus Wrote:
As many have pointed out, we can't have it both ways. We can't endless complain that all women are feminist cunts and then the minute a few women start saying, "you know, there might be something to this red pill stuff" and then we say "ATTENTION SEEKING WHORES GONNA DESTROY US ALL!!!!" the next.
It's called hypocrisy.
Quote: (01-14-2014 11:04 PM)Fisto Wrote:
"red pill" is just another stupid word now. I perused the reddit "theredpill" and was mortified by the morons posting their simp perspectives and sour grape attitudes.
A bunch of chumps running parroting things they don't even understand, I'd blow the whole thing up if I could.
Actually you heard it hear first, they're all "R'tards".