[Yams]

The only thing I care about is what countries can l take my tanned latin ass to without having the worry of being curb stomped. It doesn't seem like Russia is good place to go at the moment but from what I hear some of the former soviet states have similar "xenophobia".

[Badstuber]

(12-16-2010 09:40 AM)Yams Wrote:  

The only thing I care about is what countries can l take my tanned latin ass to without having the worry of being curb stomped. It doesn't seem like Russia is good place to go at the moment but from what I hear some of the former soviet states have similar "xenophobia".

A lot of experienced members recommend Ukraine for non-Aryan looking people.

[MysticTraveler]

(12-16-2010 09:52 AM)Badstuber Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 09:40 AM)Yams Wrote:  

The only thing I care about is what countries can l take my tanned latin ass to without having the worry of being curb stomped. It doesn't seem like Russia is good place to go at the moment but from what I hear some of the former soviet states have similar "xenophobia".

A lot of experienced members recommend Ukraine for non-Aryan looking people.

Aryan' is a Sanskrit word that had nothing to do with race.

After Hitler and the World War (well actually a little before that) everyone was made to believe that Aryans are a superior race and that most of the European races are Aryans.

If you want to associate this word with race then Iran is actually the land of the Aryans.In fact the literal translation of the word "Iran" is "land of the Aryans."

The same goes with the Swatika. Nowadays, the Swastika symbol is associated with skinheads and racism. Hitler stole the Swastika symbol (I don't know why) which is a very sacred symbol not only in Himduism but also is a number of ancient religions that have nothing to do with racism or a superior race.

[Badstuber]

You are right.
With Aryan I mean the white nordic race.

[Rocco81]

Let's not have another thread where a whole coalition of mofo's sit and attack Whomonger. It's pointless and a waste of time. Some of you are blinded but what you percieved to be "racist" from his POV on another thread. Let's start fresh. He has some very valid points.

What he and some others are saying is that the problems are not just with "skinheads" as the article insinuates. Like any media story they sensationalise and there is an angle they want you to gather from their view point. What is more accurate is that Russia is still very poor and there is very stiff competition for jobs and basic labor positions. Monger has a point with it bieng a very real competition amongst the new Migrant workers and the native Russians who would do the same job for the same wage (maybe slightly higher) Again it is not at all like Mexico/US relation.

If you looked at the riots, I would be willing to bet that the majority of the men involved are normal blue collar Russian men who are pissed at crime and immigration from a whole host of Muslim and or Caucus immigrants. The actual % of died in the Wool Skinheads are not as large as the report would make it seem.

A few things I want to point out.

- Much like two tribes or nations fighting in Africa, to the untrained eye most cannot tell the difference between the two. If you ask the two groups however there is a world of difference, starting with language, culture, religion, all the way down to height and size of nose and skull. Same in these areas. To a Westerner you might see a Russian getting attacked by some other guys that look Russian. This might seem like normal fair until you hear that they speak differently, and there are slight variations of the facial features maybe. So, what appears on the surface to be a normal personal problem between two sets of Russians, might very well be a nationalist attack on a foreigner for bieng an immigrant. most of the time you can tell the difference but many times you cannot. I have met several Muslim Turks in Germany with light hair and blue eyes. They still associated with Turkish customs, people and language.

- Likewise, what might seem like a nationalist attack could just be normal violence between two Russians. Let's not forget that its not like Russian is all peace and love with or without Nationalist violence.

[Rocco81]

This stuff is very important to keep track of. Again its not about "racism" as many people would love to simplify it as, but its about maintaining your territory.

In the case of the HA's in Denmark, the Turkish muslims were running drugs and taking away from their profit, this was an easy read. However, what is more important is it was easy for them garner support from Danish Public, Danish youth, football hooligans, meatheads, because they had been bullied by Turkish gangs over and over again and are fed up with it.

It's like a while back some members here were saying that Norse men (in particular Denmark and Sweden) were basically all pussies. Its funny because when you are nice to immigrants, tourists, foreign cultures, they brag about fucking your women and call you a pussy. When you put your foot down and stand up for your own shit, you get called a racist or a xenophobe. Oh well I guess you can't make everyone happy.

Well, all I can say is do not mistake kindness for weakness anywhere you go.

(12-16-2010 07:02 AM)Nederlander Wrote:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0
Austrain politician rips arrogant Muslim (Turkish) ambassador a new asshole.

Hells Angels in Denmark have enough of immigrant crime and declare open violent war on them. Many Danish youth join the Hells Angels despite not even having a motorcycle, sick of immigrant crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBy_3OOS...re=channel

[Global Baller]

(12-15-2010 09:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Whoremonger, it seems like you frequently try to downplay the racist attitudes and behavior of Russians. I get the feeling that under the surface, you sympathize with them.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Global Baller]

(12-16-2010 12:44 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

I say this again, its not race alone thats driving this.

Ill say it again, Russia educated African leaders and it funded the majority of the liberation movements in Africa too.

I'll say it again too:

(1) Plenty of African students (and some African Americans) have been attacked & killed by skinheads in Moscow and St Petersburg...as well as other cities.

(2) Russia educated African leaders, and funded African liberation movements back when it was the U.S.S.R.; and was a communist country.

There's no excuse for the racist attacks which occur there on a daily basis.

[speakeasy]

(12-16-2010 03:37 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 12:44 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

(12-15-2010 09:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Whoremonger, it seems like you frequently try to downplay the racist attitudes and behavior of Russians. I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that under the surface, you sympathize with them.

Now that they were awarded the World Cup, we're going to see more and more of these stories brought to light.

One needs to ask exactly why the fuck they should even be expected to bend over backwards for minorities or illegal immigrants too.

I mean, I wouldn't ask for them to bend over backwards for minorities or illegal immigrants. I'm not campaigning for the establishment of some massive welfare state for non-russians in russia or anything like that.

All I'd really ask is that they don't slit their throats for being non-white. No need to love them or welcome them with open arms and undeserved cash/welfare, but could you not hunt them down on the streets and beat/kill them like dogs simply because of their ethnicity?

That'd be cool with me, and I think its not unfair to expect, ESPECIALLY since they'll be hosting a World Cup in the not too distant future.

Co-sign.

[HD668B]

(12-16-2010 12:04 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(12-15-2010 09:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Whoremonger, it seems like you frequently try to downplay the racist attitudes and behavior of Russians. I get the feeling that under the surface, you sympathize with them.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

I also do sympathize with the 28-year-old Spartak fan and his friend, 25-year-old Dmitry Filatov. The former was shot four times – including once in the head – and died, while Mr Filatov is currently in hospital with stomach injuries.

[HD668B]

Also check this reportage about Sweden. It starts by quoting the London Guardian newspaper who called Sweden "the most succesfull society the world has ever known". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaPz7p-1-bk

Disturbing. Especially since this video is from last year, and we know what happened just last week in Sweden.

[hydrogonian]

(12-16-2010 10:27 AM)MysticTraveler Wrote:  

The same goes with the Swatika. Nowadays, the Swastika symbol is associated with skinheads and racism. Hitler stole the Swastika symbol (I don't know why) which is a very sacred symbol not only in Himduism but also is a number of ancient religions that have nothing to do with racism or a superior race.

yeah, its a little confusing at first when traveling in Asia to see swastikas on structures. however, I think the Nazis had it oriented differently than is common in the parts of the world where its a religious symbol.

According to wikipedia, its still the symbol of the Finnish Air Force:

[oldnemesis]

(12-16-2010 12:17 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(1) Plenty of African students (and some African Americans) have been attacked & killed by skinheads in Moscow and St Petersburg...as well as other cities.

You mean during last few days? Could you provide any references to support your statement? I haven't read so far about a single case when an African student was killed.

As I said multiple times, racism in Russia targets very specific people, and blacks are NOT their target - simply because there are too few blacks to support racism of that scale.

[subutai]

Here's are stories of South Korean exchange students killed in Russia:

http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/news...m?No=70485
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View....category=1


Here's a story about Vietnamese exchange students killed in Russia:

http://www.vietnewsonline.vn/News/Societ...Russia.htm


Here's a story about a Zambian exchange student killed in Russia:

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/anger-o...ath-russia


I could go on but won't because I find it depressing.

According to some people, these attack must have been an understandable protest by patriotic Russians against the invasion of lawless Korean and Vietnamese exchange students who study at Russian universities by day, and ruthlessly undercut Russian salaries by night.

Uh huh.

[digitalamish]

(12-16-2010 06:15 PM)subutai Wrote:  

Here's are stories of South Korean exchange students killed in Russia:

Uh huh.

Police: Immigrant Killed By Teens Because of Race
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-bea...Race-.html

Vigil Held for Ecuadorian Immigrant Killed in Long Island Bias Attack
http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2...as-attack/

Guyanese Immigrant Shot, Killed Inside Brooklyn Apt.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/06/g...oklyn-apt/

New York immigrant center shooting leaves 14 dead
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5324JP20090403

Second night of LA clashes after immigrant killed
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art...vlMU4L7hLw

Haitian Immigrant Killed At McDonald's
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22638813/detail.html

Follow-up: Polish immigrant killed
http://www.judyhan.com/otherwise/?p=542

and many more...

on the related note... if your city was basically overrun by the taliban (because that's what some of the Chechens and Dagestanis in Moscow are) assaulting/killing/raping people, (I'm not even talking about the acts of terrorism (recent or otherwise)), then maybe we could all discuss how you REALLY feel!
otherwise, it's just too easy to make some ignorant comments being 6000 miles away from the country everyone loves to hate...
I find that most of the garbage you read in the western press (particularly the British one) about Russia is a product of imagination of some pseudo-country experts, who seemed to be quite upset that the country's nobody's bitch and marches to the beat of its own drum...

A form of Winston Churchill's quotation, made in a radio broadcast in October 1939:
"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest."

[Arado]

This has been bugging me for awhile. I'm of South Asian origin and my job will be sending me to Russia next year.....shit

[Princeton]

Russia clearly has a problem with skinheads and it has been well-documented. Russia has the largest population of skinheads in the world and race-fueled violence (against non-whites) has been all too common. Again, this has been well documented and is not a fabrication of the "Western media." There are many first-person interviews with skinhead leaders about their desire to rid the country of non-whites (whether you're from the Caucuses or Kenya) and their reverence for Hitler, etc. There is no denying it.

Just because Russia has an "immigration problem" does not take away from the fact that they have a skinhead/white supremacist problem. Regardless of the economic frustrations and perceived crime stats, there are racist and xenophobic overtones to the events taking place in Russia today. Whether it's fueled by general hatred of non-whites or xenophobic tribalism (and there is overlap here), attacking people based on ethnicity is wrong. Period. I don't see why need to bend over backwards to "try to understand" the attackers.

And the whole argument that immigrants cause crime and rape, etc. Where are the stats? "They're raping our women" is the oldest tactic in racist fear-mongering in the book. I guarantee you that most rape in Russia is committed by RUSSIANS.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Russia is an overtly racist society (although I can't rule it out), but there is certainly a problem with race-related violence in Russia and no amount of justification or historical context changes that fact.

[OGNorCal707]

Okay, I'll drop my 2 cents on this... First off I agree with what everyone is saying about the problem with racist skinheads in Moscow, and yes there is lot's of evidence of unprovoked attacks on minorities there for nothing more than the color of their skin. Say whatever you want about the economy and illegal immigration, but stabbing someone to death for no other reason then the color of their skin is in no way ever okay.

Next on the topic of illegal immigration in Russia, fuck trying to feel sympathetic to them. Ever heard of the USSR, they basically violently conquered all those "Caucaus" countries, and now they're trying to boo-hoo and complain about people from those countries immigrating there? Maybe they should get the fuck out of Chechnya and the region of Dagestan where the people are Muslim and have brown skin. They don't want to Russians there, it's their land, and they have to deal with constant violence and death, due to the fact that Rusians have this sense of entitlement when it comes to taking other peoples' lands.

So basically, the immigrants are a by product of their own fucking empire, so what do they expect. Russia should not be hosting the world cup in 2018, I don't know how S. Koreans, Brazilians, Africans, etc. are going to travel there for the world cup, when Russian skinheads are all soccerfans that are going to try and fuck with every minority.

I had one good Russian friend in the past and have known many others, they are some of the most unnecessairly overly proud, nationalistic, and xenophobic people I've ever met. It's like Russia is the center of the universe and the best, and everyone else is below them or some shit. They can't accept or admit that the USSR was fucked and their country continues to be fucked due to Putin, the KGB, corruption, racism, and the mafia.

I only see the problem getting worse to be honest, but I hope things will change. It seems like Putin and those fools kind of sympathize or secretly side with the skinheads and aren't doing a damn thing to change things there. Unfortunately whether people like "Whoremonger" will admit it or not, most cases of racist attacks are swept under the rug and don't get documented at all, so the real level of attacks is probably much higher even then what we see in the media, although many people will probably claim that it's sensationalized by the media.

Truth is, journalist, judges, and lawyers working for good to help immigrants that have been victimized are often targeted and killed themselves, and the government does nothing to stop it. As long as the government allows this problem to continue, it will only spread like a disease. I think Russian women can be stunning, but as someone who is half Iranian, I think I'll pass on Russia, and I think it would be best for someone like Roosh to do so as well. I know a couple Russian hippy girls that I met in San Fran, who were violently beaten by skinheads just because they had dreadlocks and looked different.

[Whoremonger]

(12-16-2010 06:15 PM)subutai Wrote:  

Here's are stories of South Korean exchange students killed in Russia:

http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/news...m?No=70485
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View....category=1


Here's a story about Vietnamese exchange students killed in Russia:

http://www.vietnewsonline.vn/News/Societ...Russia.htm


Here's a story about a Zambian exchange student killed in Russia:

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/anger-o...ath-russia


I could go on but won't because I find it depressing.

According to some people, these attack must have been an understandable protest by patriotic Russians against the invasion of lawless Korean and Vietnamese exchange students who study at Russian universities by day, and ruthlessly undercut Russian salaries by night.

Uh huh.

uh Huh

Clearly this means that every single Russian is now a racist hell bent on killing asians too. When are you going to understand that an exchange student being killed, and the fact that it was a hate crime, is major international news? When are you going to understand that a Russian woman being gang raped by a pack of Georgian scumbags is not going to make headlines?

The race riots are the result of immigration. Fucking hell man. Cause and effect. Enough immigrants take jobs and bring crime and misery with them and the locals get pissed off. They turn on everyone. All they have done is galvanize support against them. This is not driven by race, its driven by the problems immigrants bring with them. They become the focus point of it, and the fact that they are of a particular race and demographic makes them a target.

THIS SHIT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO RUSSIA ALONE


Here, some numbers for you. They dont tell the whole story, but it does put this into perspective too.

Quote:

[JURIST] Russian racial hate crimes decreased slightly in 2009 [press release] because of increased police efforts, according to the SOVA Center [advocacy website] on Wednesday. According to the group, 71 people were killed and 333 wounded in racially motivated attacks in 2009, down from 110 killed and 487 wounded in 2008. Deputy head of SOVA Galina Kozhevnikova credited the first decrease in hate crimes in the last six years [Moscow Times report] to a combination of revised legislation, extended criminal trials, and enhanced police tactics. Despite the lower violent crime statistics, Sova's annual report also noted the increasing volume of xenophobic propaganda [AP report], particularly among right-wing, political youth groups.

http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/01/rus...n-2009.php

K? so what do we get from that?

110 people killed, 487 wounded.

Lets compare that to the USA why dont we?

http://infidelsarecool.com/2010/01/22/fb...tatistics/

Quote:

– “An analysis of the 7,780 single-bias incidents revealed that 51.3 percent were motivated by a racial bias”
– Anti-Black Racial Hate 2,876, Anti-Jewish Hate 1,013, Anti-Homosexual 1,200, Anti-Hispanic 561
– Anti-Islam Incidents – 105
– Anti-Christian Incidents – 101

I dont doubt the level of violence would have been higher in Russia, but at the same time Russia is not the USA either. So is this a problem that is 10x worse in Russia?

What about the UK? Maybe we want to look at that instead? OK then

Quote:

Hate crime figures for England, Wales and Northern Ireland have been published for the first time.

In 2009 a total of 52,028 crimes were recorded in which the offence was motivated by prejudice.

Victims were targeted because of race, religious belief, sexual orientation, disability or transgender issues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11875321

Jesus, can there be that many racists there too?

Global Baller, perhaps with you being the African Tribal Overlord of Sweden, you would like to post Swedens hate crime stats? Particularly the ones where Jews and Africans were targeted? Because while there are not even 10 million people there, there were over 5000 incidents in 2008 alone. I think it would be fitting if you posted them. A simple "hate crime in sweden" Google search will do the trick bud. Thanks.

Nederlander had a point which everyone tries to discredit completely because they dont like what he had to say. Does not matter how true it may be, just because its not the kind of truth people want to hear he gets attacked for it. Based on these numbers when compared to Russia, I guess that means we better label the whole of Europe a racist shitpit. I think we need to regard all Europeans as scum of the earth too while we are at it. That would be the most prudent thing to do based on the evidence we are seeing eh?

[Whoremonger]

(12-16-2010 11:30 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

And the whole argument that immigrants cause crime and rape, etc. Where are the stats? "They're raping our women" is the oldest tactic in racist fear-mongering in the book. I guarantee you that most rape in Russia is committed by RUSSIANS.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Russia is an overtly racist society (although I can't rule it out), but there is certainly a problem with race-related violence in Russia and no amount of justification or historical context changes that fact.

I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that its a problem there. Its just that there is a reason for it outside complete ignorance on the average Russians part. Just like Hitler used the Jews to whip up a frenzy of national pride, the bullshit the illegals bring with them is leading to Russians as a whole turning against them.

This nonsense about immigrants not bringing crime with them though is based on wishful thinking though. It does not matter where you go. From Australia to Sweden, immigrants and refugees are often a crime wave, its just a fact of life. Most contribute, but that does not change the FACT that large percentages dont, and that is due to the fact that they are normally the poorest demographic with little social support.

Here, in da Sweden again, seeing as how that seems to be a poster child for tolerance on these forums

Quote:

Foreigners are thus 6.2 times as likely to be incarcerated than Swedes, or 520% higher incarceration rate.

The over-representation is even higher for middle eastern citizens, who are 6.6 as likely as Swedish citizens to be in prison.
Lastly African citizens are 10.9 times as likely as Swedish citizens to be in prison.

Swedish citizens have an incarceration rate of 45 per 100.000.

African citizens in Sweden in contrast have an incarceration rate of 490 per 100.000.

Are the Swedes racist, incorrect or unfair in saying that immigrants and refugees have caused many problems for them? Are they being unreasonable in displaying anger over this when many have no desire to see their borders opened up? Is anyone being unreasonable here?

I agree that slitting throats on the street is not the way to handle things nor do I condone it. I just accept that its Russia, and in Russia, things are handled that way. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but expecting it to change anytime soon is retarded. This is a people and a culture that has developed over hundreds and hundreds of years, and its a people that have either been at war or enslaved for the majority of it. To think that is not going to result in the kind of shit you see in Russia today is a little naive.

[Rocco81]

OG Norcal - The entire population of Russia were victims of a vicous dictatorship, it is not a "them against us" argument like are making it out to be. The white Russians suffered along with the people of other non white areas that were a part of the USSR. Also remember, not all Caucus people are dark. This is not a simple white vs black or brown fight. Some of the people who hate Russians look exactly like Russians. Maybe the religion is different or maybe its just a National dispute, but its way more complicated than just a simple color fight.

As a matter of fact, 100% of the Skinheads are against Communism. Almost any Russian you will meet is against communism save for a very few old Russian curmudgeons that might have had a semi easy life under it.

So, you have white Russians who suffered under communism as much or more than the people of the Caucus regions (whites as well as muslims and non whites) who are re-gaining religion and sense of culture that was surpressed for years. ALL of them were victims of what people like Stalin did (agreeing with you) the communist regime in Russia caused allot of this. They shipped people all over (including white Russians) and attempted to destroy culture, religion and racial boundries. That has never worked and we are seeing the remnants of Communism / Leftist ideology unfold before our very eyes.

* I also do not think anyone here is saying tha random violence is ok. Just that if you disect history and then add the current poverty and political climate you can see who this stuff happens.

[Rocco81]

@ Whoremonger : Notice how some attacks on Asians or Africans make headlines however you never see headlines about crime done by immigrants. They exist people just choose not to report them, especially in Western Media. We only hear about bad racists and skinheads and is always a one way street when it comes to race crime.

Same as in Denmark. The liberal media starts calling Hells Angels racist when they stab and shoot a few Turks, however they fail to report the multiplying rate of crime (rape in particular) that has steadily risen with the infllux of Turkish immigrants.

Does anyone remember about a year ago an Iraqi man raped a 14 y/o Danish girl and they sent him to jail for a few years, 6 or 8 maybe and he will get out on good behaviour (in his country he would be beheaded, probably without trial) and when he is released they are allowing him to stay in Denmark because he is afraid to return to Iraq...call that justice?

[Badstuber]

Quote:

@ Whoremonger : Notice how some attacks on Asians or Africans make headlines however you never see headlines about crime done by immigrants. They exist people just choose not to report them, especially in Western Media. We only hear about bad racists and skinheads and is always a one way street when it comes to race crime.

This is not true.
Here, the media reports crime done by immigrants and nationals. The only difference is that they only mention skin color if the suspect is foreign.

[Whoremonger]

(12-17-2010 02:36 AM)Badstuber Wrote:  

Quote:

@ Whoremonger : Notice how some attacks on Asians or Africans make headlines however you never see headlines about crime done by immigrants. They exist people just choose not to report them, especially in Western Media. We only hear about bad racists and skinheads and is always a one way street when it comes to race crime.

This is not true.
Here, the media reports crime done by immigrants and nationals. The only difference is that they only mention skin color if the suspect is foreign.

Where do you you live dude?

Maybe the reason they tell you what colour or ethnicity they were was so that people can help identify them ? Or maybe it has just reached the stage where even the papers are going "Jesus fucking Christ, another refugee/immigrant gang rape pack? Why the hell are we STILL trying to help these people?"

Nederlander was 100% right in what he said when he posted newsclips of the rising right wing in Europe. This is not happening because people are ignorant or lack any education, nor is it because they have a deep seated hatred of people who are coloured. Europe, and in particular western Europe, has been incredibly liberal and leftist for a long time and many of the liberal policies in place are there because white folk believed it was possible to build multi cultural societies.

That is changing though as the local people deal with the ramification of rampant immigration, immigrants who refuse to integrate and crime waves that refugees and immigrants bring with them. We just saw in Germany how the liberal German Chancellor declared how multi culturalism has failed. Its yet another example of the shift we are seeing.

You can scream racism until you are blue in the face, FACTS ARE FACTS. Immigrants, and in particular immigrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East, as a percentage of the population, are a crime wave and lead to major social problems. The stats are there and we have seen them measured over the last 25 years now. This is not an opinion, its a statistical fact. Just like in Russia, where Georgians, Uzbeks and Khazaks are targeted now.

That is why people are fed up. Europeans are growing tired of the bullshit, and the Russians lost the plot ages ago already.

Does this make it right? No, it does not
Is it something I condone? Nope, not in the slightest
Is it something I understand? Yes, of course. Its rational and their anger is understandable and justified.

[Whoremonger]

(12-17-2010 02:09 AM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

Same as in Denmark. The liberal media starts calling Hells Angels racist when they stab and shoot a few Turks, however they fail to report the multiplying rate of crime (rape in particular) that has steadily risen with the infllux of Turkish immigrants.

Does anyone remember about a year ago an Iraqi man raped a 14 y/o Danish girl and they sent him to jail for a few years, 6 or 8 maybe and he will get out on good behaviour (in his country he would be beheaded, probably without trial) and when he is released they are allowing him to stay in Denmark because he is afraid to return to Iraq...call that justice?

Dude, the rape epidemic in Sweden has become so bad Sweden now has double the amount of reported rapes than the second closest western European contender.

Mamlo, the Swedish city with the largest refugee, african migrant and muslim population has seen crime rates go through the roof.

Quote:

The number of rape charges per capita in Malmö is 5 to 6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower. And it’s not just the rape statistics that reveal a scary increase in Malmö or Sweden. Virtually every kind of violent crime is on the rise. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmö only during the fall of 2004. Threats against witnesses in Swedish court cases have quadrupled between 2000 and 2003. During the past few decades, massive immigration has changed the face of Sweden’s major cities, as well as challenged the viability of the welfare state. In 1970 Sweden had the fourth highest GDP per capita among developed countries with income about 6% above the OECD average. By 1997 it was at fifteenth place with an average GDP per capita 14% below average. Malmö has a heavy concentration of Muslim immigrants in particular. According to some estimates, it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years. Crime is rampant in the growing ghettos

http://www.eutimes.net/2008/04/immigrant...nd-norway/