[Specter]

I'm new here in this forum but I've been in the game for roughly 6 months now. So far, I've slowly improved my game through practice but I still have a lot of ground to cover. I've come from a very beta upbringing granted that I'm an only child, raised by a single mom, introverted, and isolated from girls throughout high school & college. I've read a wealth of PUA/Game material over the past few months like The Game by Neil Strauss, 60 Years of Challenge, The Book of Pook in the DJ Bible, etc. I got information overload as a result so I'm clearing my head out to find what stuff really works for me.

Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on how to improve my Indirect-Direct Game. Specifically, how to interact with a girl casually while making my intentions known to her in both Daygame & Social Circle Game.

In terms of Daygame, I've relied heavily on the Daygame Blueprint (Yad & Yosha) and can only seem to stick to its structure through Attention-Snapping, Giving a Low-Level Compliment, Assumption Storytelling, etc. However, I've hanged out with some other wings who advocate MM even in Daygame. I loathe doing routines & going indirect since I feel that it is in-congruent with what I feel. I always think that if I don't tell the girl right away that I think "she's nice" or I like her, I'll end up looking like a charity sign-up worker or just a friendly stranger. However, I've always wanted to have the ability to just strike up a casual conversation with a girl whilst showing my romantic interest in her without having to run up to her and do the whole "Daygame Blueprint" spiel. Any advice?

In terms of Social Circle Game, I've actually had difficulty trying to escalate my conversations with a girl who is part of my social circle since I don't want to look like a player who hits on all the HBs in my school. I also want to know how I can ask a girl out in this type of game with romantic connotations surrounding the date, not just being a "friendly" hangout.

Thanks and I'm glad to be part of this forum.

[Penguin]

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Specifically, how to interact with a girl casually while making my intentions known to her in both Daygame & Social Circle Game. In terms of Daygame, I've relied heavily on the Daygame Blueprint (Yad & Yosha)

Daygame blueprint is a good choice, I heard plenty of good about it but I haven't watched enough to advice you on it. I like Day Bang from Roosh, but it is often too indirect for me, depending on the situation.

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However, I've hanged out with some other wings who advocate MM even in Daygame. I loathe doing routines & going indirect since I feel that it is in-congruent with what I feel.

Then maybe you should read Revelation, it's the MM with its flaws corrected : less routines, less canned openers, more inner game, plus it has a few new things missing in the MM and it's an overall more mature and polished book.

As for using it in daygame, being overconfident and showing high value is great for both nightgame and daygame and the MM/Revelation allows you to really control the interaction, but you may not be able to rely 100% on it without sounding cocky, there is no doubt it works since many use it successfully in the day but maybe a real daygame method is better as it is designed for it, I don't know.

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In terms of Social Circle Game, I've actually had difficulty trying to escalate my conversations with a girl who is part of my social circle since I don't want to look like a player who hits on all the HBs in my school.

Then don't be too much on the direct side, show a girl you like her and all her friends know it in the hour, so keep her guessing, it prevents excessive gossip and it's good for attraction.

That's all I can do, I'll let others help you to decide between the MM/Revelation and a daygame method.

[XXL]

(01-07-2014 07:16 AM)Specter Wrote:  

Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on how to improve my Indirect-Direct Game.

[XXL]

(01-07-2014 07:16 AM)Specter Wrote:  

Specifically, how to interact with a girl casually while making my intentions known to her in both Daygame & Social Circle Game.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27791-...#pid529270

(01-07-2014 07:16 AM)Specter Wrote:  

However, I've always wanted to have the ability to just strike up a casual conversation with a girl whilst showing my romantic interest in her without having to run up to her and do the whole "Daygame Blueprint" spiel. Any advice?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-31002-...#pid609679

[XXL]

(01-07-2014 07:16 AM)Specter Wrote:  

In terms of Social Circle Game, I've actually had difficulty trying to escalate my conversations with a girl who is part of my social circle since I don't want to look like a player who hits on all the HBs in my school. I also want to know how I can ask a girl out in this type of game with romantic connotations surrounding the date, not just being a "friendly" hangout.

If you express your interest in romantic way then remember that you will be labeled by everyone as potential BF of the girl you're about hit on. If you want GF that's all good. However if you want to pimp more girls and make it as something that just happened spontaneously then you have to be fun/sexy guy from the start and party with those girls.

Let's dig deeper..

At first meet girls and just bullshit with them. Give them time to get familiar with you. Make a good first impression. Girls will start asking you questions. Then when you get into a real conversation with them start flirting. It's as easy as basic misinterpretations or lying that they make you shy [when you clearly not]. Flirt but be tasteful. Lean back and enjoy that little sexual spark in the air. Don't try to close the deal then. Time is on your side. Pay attention how you make girls feel. Notice which girl is receptive and try to orchestrate one on one with her.

It's very under the radar game.

For example, at house party be flirty with them but forget that seduction vibe. Make it fun and innocent. Have fun with your innuendos. Send mixed signals so that you're not coming across as pushy, flirt with A and B girls then turn around and go smoke where C girl and your buddy is. Stuff like that. Mingle. Have things to talk about. Be the guy with innitiative. Offer buying this and that type of alcohol for later and say that you can't drink more cause you will fall in love with all A, B, C girls. Introduce some stupid party game and tell D girl that she's too cute to play. You don't wait for yes/no reactions. You say those innuendos here and there just to let girls know you're sexual guy. E girls opens up about her dating life and she tells you type of a guy she wants and you tell her she's so unlucky cause you leave tomorrow. Music bumping people have a good time. You offer girl E to dance an she says she's not drunk enough so you say "can't be like that!!" and pour everybody. Then you dance and after 3 songs you take her to kitchen to "make some lemonade" and you fool around there. Stuff like that.

To me social circle game is last man standing type of thing. It's like a pickup minefield. It requires some social intuition/awareness and ability to navigate in high risk situations to actually get some. It's easy to go too far for pickup guy and it's easy to become a gay friend for a regular dude.

The guy who can be relaxed fun flirty masculine, CONSISTENTLY, wins.

From what I've seen guys usually fuck themselves over by trying to be too cool/alpha and getting burned or by being too passive and getting irrelevant [or getting shitfaced and falling asleep that's common too]. So IMO in social circle scenarios results come from being normal/cool and NOT DOING [stupid shit] rather than doing something impressive [like DHVs and trying to be alpha]. I just stay relaxed cool fun flirty friendly [and amp it up when everybody's drunk] and watch guys blow themselves in the meantime as they usually do Amuse

With girls it's like this. Flirty tasteful and involving everyone. Kind of like this vibe:

In order to not become 'a story in the circle' you need to frame your flirting as innocent fun in the moment. Girls have to know that you're just a flirty guy now and that you will not change after something happens between you and girls. That's MASSIVELY important. Girls have to know that it's a part of who you are. Flirt to flirt with unattractive ones, flirt to fuck with attractive ones.

For example, I was physically escalating [tastefully but still] in my class in university and it was ok as people viewed me as this flirty guy who fools around with girls for some fun. I was doing things like..
- handshake + spin thing
- standing closer and flirting with eyes
- hugging a girl when she was smoking outside in winter [totally glued to her from behind to make her warm]
- girls sitting on my lap during breaks
- holding hands while talking and waving them like little kids

Girls are fine with all of that ONLY IF you're super non needy guy aka you do it just to have a fun moment with girls. Here's example of how non needy attitude looks like in university hall during break time:

You do your spin handshake and put smile of A girl's face and then you back off and talk to her casually about stuff. Then you engage B girl in your conversation and askl her if you and girl A fit each other to be a couple. Then when she actually starts answering you tell her "pff hahah I you're sooo easy, we actually hate each other, not to even mention being together, unless it's pure hate fucking". Then A girl freaks out hearing you say that you hate her. Then you tell them both that actually they would make a good couple cause as a up and coming lesbian expert you can tell they look cute together. Then you smile and just leave not caring whether they agree or disagree. You play around like that. Of course if you see a girl gets uncomfortable [eyes don't lie] then you have to recover. You back off, give her some kind of excuse "ahh sorry i didn't mean to piss you off, i got screwed sense of humor just like every child of divorce that i know" and you change topic immediately after that "hey do you know where's Jim? Ive been looking for him".

You keep that fun flirty indifferent and nonjudgemental attitude and you amp it up a bit at club/house parties where things actually can go down thanks to too much booze. It escalates there. Everybody's drunk. Girls start getting all sexy and seductive with their humor dancing touching flirting. Again, it's all just part of the FUN at party. You're already that guy that girls can freely fool around with. More dancing more booze more fun. Silly kissing bets start. Party peaks. People split up and form groups of 2-3, one group in one room, other group in kitchen, other in balcony, etc. Then some people leave together to crash in some person's house and bang eventually, some stay in house and get carried away encouraged by privacy.

Basically, it's like being undercover player so that girls sense they can bang you on the side and know you will not get all needy and clingy afterwards.

IMPORTANT: Do not game girls in your circle in romantic way cause that implies that you have a crush on some girl and you want to take her out. People see that you're after this one girl and when you do the same on another you get labeled as some scumbag that people gossip about in a very bad way. Gaming in social circle this way is the exact cause of all drama and shit.

Can't miss:
http://manwhore.org/hydro/hydro-2-beingsocial.mp3


Good luck!!

[Truth Teller]

(01-07-2014 07:16 AM)Specter Wrote:  

I'm new here in this forum but I've been in the game for roughly 6 months now. So far, I've slowly improved my game through practice but I still have a lot of ground to cover. I've come from a very beta upbringing granted that I'm an only child, raised by a single mom, introverted, and isolated from girls throughout high school & college. I've read a wealth of PUA/Game material over the past few months like The Game by Neil Strauss, 60 Years of Challenge, The Book of Pook in the DJ Bible, etc. I got information overload as a result so I'm clearing my head out to find what stuff really works for me.

Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on how to improve my Indirect-Direct Game. Specifically, how to interact with a girl casually while making my intentions known to her in both Daygame & Social Circle Game.

In terms of Daygame, I've relied heavily on the Daygame Blueprint (Yad & Yosha) and can only seem to stick to its structure through Attention-Snapping, Giving a Low-Level Compliment, Assumption Storytelling, etc. However, I've hanged out with some other wings who advocate MM even in Daygame. I loathe doing routines & going indirect since I feel that it is in-congruent with what I feel. I always think that if I don't tell the girl right away that I think "she's nice" or I like her, I'll end up looking like a charity sign-up worker or just a friendly stranger. However, I've always wanted to have the ability to just strike up a casual conversation with a girl whilst showing my romantic interest in her without having to run up to her and do the whole "Daygame Blueprint" spiel. Any advice?

First, welcome. I was not raised by a single mother, but my upbringing wasn't exactly the most alpha. I bought into a lot of the relationship myths and "what women really want" stuff very hard. Long story short, I came to a point about halfway through my senior year of high school (Jan. 2013), before I went off to university/college. I realized how bad I was with women, but by the end of my senior year, it had been too late. Social circles in high school are tough to surmount. So I bought a few things, studied them, and applied them. I did suffer from information overload, but the best way to combat that is to select one coach/whatever you want to call it and follow his stuff.

I really don't like MM. For me, it doesn't feel right, because it's not particularly natural. I don't really like the routines or the openers... they're simply not what I like. Generally, I'm the type of guy who doesn't ask questions he doesn't care about the answers to. So if I use a "female opinion opener" (or whatever it's called), I feel as though I'm putting on an act. If you don't like MM, don't continue with it. While it's very well known and (I would say) one of the "Bibles" of the seduction community, there are better choices.

[Specter]

Thanks XXL! Actually, I have another concern regarding being flirty-funny with a lot of girls. I read Mark Redman's "Conquer Your Campus" wherein he states that first impressions last and schoolmates will always remember a person's character during the initial months of the school year. I used to act calm, quiet, & serious since girls are attracted to the mysterious type of guy as stated in this article by Chase Amante: http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-be...re-lovers.
However, I think I came off being the shy guy my Game wasn't truly solid yet to pull off this kind of attitude.

I fear that a sudden change of character to becoming a flirty & physical guy will be perceived as questionable by my social circle. What's your take in this?

[XXL]

The way I see it, that whole sexy mysterious stranger from nowhere image is fine with cold approach > one on one dating realm cause you can get and remain her attention and you time to convey that kind of personality without interruptions on dates so the girl is fully in your world.

But social circle game is about being SOCIAL. Acting j.depp at parties/hang outs where everybody wants to let loose, drink, get stupid and have fun it's very easy to get outgamed by guys with more edgy/flashy type of charisma [even if their so called game sucks]. Cause 1) girls' attention is focused more on them which helps them build comfort just by talking, and 2) the vibe in social circle parties/hang outs is lighthearted and fun [not seductive] so as Distant Light would say "it's all fun and games until someone gets fucked". So someone's getting fucked but AFTER all that innocent fun and games are over when people part ways and you ends up with your girl and the vibe becomes intimate and seductive, you know, you're both already high or drunk talking shit about life in dorm room, holding hands, she's sitting on your lap and things escalate easily.

The exception is when you as an aloof playing guitar in the corner rebel guy are already the shit in all girls' eyes so you can do your thing and other guys come off as try hard clowns trying to steal the attention you get.

You can switch your persona and if someone asks what's going on you can easily reframe by giving bullshit reasons. Like.. you were stressed out with xxx thing or you had family member sick and were worried all the time, or that you were fucked over by some bad girl making you feel reserved etc. Just anything that can make sense to people in general. It's great to connect on some deep level when you can 'open up' with personal emotional issues you had, girls loooooove that kind of talking, it stays in their head much stronger than temporary feeling of attraction towards you.

[Specter]

Ok, got it XXL! I'll let you guys know when all the great advice here pans out for me.

[boinerd]

Nice advice, can't wait to use it.