[Suits]

(01-03-2014 09:31 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Los Angeles is a latin city in my mind (the name alone). It's literally 2+ hours from the Mexican border. That's pretty much a Mexican city.

By that standard, practically all notable Canadian cities would be American cities.

Also, does this mean that Mexican cities within 2+ hours of the US border belong to the USA?

Is New York, NY technically a Canadian city?

The troll is strong with this one.

[The Beast1]

(01-03-2014 02:28 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 09:31 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Los Angeles is a latin city in my mind (the name alone). It's literally 2+ hours from the Mexican border. That's pretty much a Mexican city.

By that standard, practically all notable Canadian cities would be American cities.

Also, does this mean that Mexican cities within 2+ hours of the US border belong to the USA?

Is New York, NY technically a Canadian city?

The troll is strong with this one.

I'd argue that Toronto is very much an American city.

You don't really get very "canadian" until you get farther north.

[el mechanico]

I think the ban pole could be a good idea as long as you add some more people to it. Maybe Ali and a few others.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(01-03-2014 02:27 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 02:03 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

My length of time is a refutation in that I was here before a like system was created. There was simply no way to garner likes for most of my time on the forum.

Either way that's a red herring, as the facts show I have dismantled your arguments with superior support.

I don't think you realize that your clamoring for a ban poll - something no one on the forum has ever suggested or endorsed, thus having zero credibility - is the highest compliment to my superior argumentation. Thank you. You can ignore the fact that there is a system that already exists where members can express their support for a poster's arguments. In that system, I have garnered more likes than you in this thread for the posts where we directly addressed each other.

Sorry you find yourself an outcast in Roosh's forum (another sign of the depths of your extreme views). Perhaps you should make your own forum. Good luck getting that off the ground.

I take care of things in real life so be an internet thug all you want while having no real world cred. Doesn't reflect well on you.

1/3/14

"The day that HC backed down."

Anyway this is becoming pretty stupid. If we ever cross paths in real life we can duke it out or buy each other drinks, either way is fine by me. We should probably stop shitting up the forum with any more of this back and forth, though. I think getting into internet arguments is a huge fucking waste of time and I'm annoyed with myself that you've drawn me in this far. I'm not going to place you on ignore, but I'm going to make an effort to stop responding to your posts. Go ahead and have the last word if you'd like.

Thanks again for the compliment.

Once you've ran out of arguments, it's best to just bow out of a thread, for your own sake and that of the forum. This is a forum made up of a diverse group of men of different races, nationalities, experiences and views. If you're going to make an argument about a sensitive issue it's best to have facts on your side and a fair degree of moderation. Because a robust challenge is sure to come regardless. You've done yourself no favors by undermining Roosh's authority in calling openly for a ban poll to supersede a system he has already put in place to measure a poster's value.

As gentlemen, there's simply no need to disparage other members and create phony internet drama, especially about an issue you have little control over. Less stress leads to longer life. Why get worked up about demographic trends you have no ability to counteract? The most effective thing you can probably do is start a harem and impregnate as many white women as possible while enlisting other people of your race to do the same. Good luck being taken seriously in today's America.

Personally, I don't find much value in this "debate" because we both know that border is wide open and plenty of people have made it over here illegally from the time this thread started up until now.

I was mainly shedding historical context to show there are two sides of every story, which helps explain modern trends. No developed country is without dirt on its hands.

Illegal immigrants are simply taking advantage of the porous borders and lax enforcement here. We'd probably do the same thing in their shoes if we were in a shitty predicament in a nearby foreign country. I must imagine that the ownership class in the US supports illegal immigration because they haven't done shit to stop it. I'd direct my energy on them instead of the illegals, who are simply doing what we would do in their shoes.

There's certainly enough money to build an airtight border with a permanent US military presence, but that's probably bad for business.

That said, I'd like to see a secure border (for many reasons) and no more illegal immigration, but I know that forces bigger than myself have other ideas.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(01-03-2014 02:28 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 09:31 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Los Angeles is a latin city in my mind (the name alone). It's literally 2+ hours from the Mexican border. That's pretty much a Mexican city.

By that standard, practically all notable Canadian cities would be American cities.

Also, does this mean that Mexican cities within 2+ hours of the US border belong to the USA?

Is New York, NY technically a Canadian city?

The troll is strong with this one.

What I meant was only one place in Mexico - DF (largest city in the hemisphere) - has more Mexicans than LA. That's just Mexicans. LA also has the largest population of Salvadoreans, Guatemalans, and Nicaraguans (I think) outside of those respective countries. It's a heavily latino city, though quite segregated. It makes sense that LA would be a popular destination city for illegals.

How many Americans live in most Canadian cities though? Are there more than in most US cities?

What's funny is that a while back US border agents were realizing that most of the illegals weren't Mexicans, but Salvadoreans and Guatemalans. When caught, those illegals would say they were Mexican so that they could be deported to Mexico (which is closer to the US than their countries), and where they could try to cross again. Border agents would ask them to name a Mexican holiday, like independence day, and they wouldn't know the answer, thus confirming they weren't from Mexico and had to be deported elsewhere.

[Aliblahba]

I'm going to walk to Tijuana, get drunk, then try to cross back over illegally. When they ask my nationality, I'm gonna Argentino, mother fuckers! Then I'll get a free ride all the way to Buenos Aires.

[Wayout]

The guy crossed the border at 17 illegally, then went to a law school why supporting himself all on his own,then becomes a lawyer and makes a legal impact! - if this is not the most American thing I ever heard,I don't know what it is! This is more American than some kid who was born in Cali and doesn't even speak English! Who cares he is Mexican - his spirit is all America!

[Veloce]

(01-03-2014 01:25 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

You're completely missing the point. No one cares how French the French are or how Italian the Italians are. Both nations have built incredible cultures as well as profound historical narratives. That means something and it's worth preserving. Name one Muslim equivalent of a Voltaire or Descartes. There you go.

What point am I missing? Your point is that countries that have produced great thinkers deserve some sort of special protection from immigrants?

I'll ignore the blatant cultural elitism there and address the issue at face value.

I'd say the Greeks probably propelled the human intellect farther than any other culture. And look at Greece now. Their best effort is El Mech trolling the shit out of Ali on a daily basis

Pythagoras, Socrates, and Aristotle couldn't prevent their banking crisis. Absurd statement right? That's about how relevant Voltaire and Descartes are these days.

Western Europe produced an unparalleled breadth of culture from the Renaissance on, and now it's all neatly packed up in museums for us to admire. This does nothing to address the current situation in Europe. There are iconic French landmarks that are currently being bought up by wealthy Persians. Enjoy European culture while you can in your lifetime because the times are changing.

[Suits]

(01-03-2014 03:15 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

The guy crossed the border at 17 illegally, then went to a law school why supporting himself all on his own,then becomes a lawyer and makes a legal impact! - if this is not the most American thing I ever heard,I don't know what it is! This is more American than some kid who was born in Cali and doesn't even speak English! Who cares he is Mexican - his spirit is all America!

Ya, if all non-legal immigrants were like this guy, I'd say 'open the floodgates.'

It's the ones who demand US benefits and special protections that cost tax payers money that we should have the issue with.

However, probably the majority of Mexicans in the US who did not migrate her legitimately, are incredibly hard working and probably take less than they contribute.

I'm just speculating, but it seems that they do seem willing to take lousy jobs that pay terrible wages.

That type of work ethic is American at its core.

[Wayout]

(01-03-2014 03:07 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I'm going to walk to Tijuana, get drunk, then try to cross back over illegally. When they ask my nationality, I'm gonna Argentino, mother fuckers! Then I'll get a free ride all the way to Buenos Aires.

You will! And you are not going to be the first one. There was many stories like that. In all seriousness - if you never been fingerprinted by the feds - they have no way of knowing who you are. Just keep silent ( that's your right anyway) but give them false clue like Argentinian money in your pocket. You will spend about 2-4 weeks in a detention center where you can meet some Hispanic women and make connections,then they will deport you.After your free vacation you can come back and sue the government for deporting a US citizen without any evidence and make some money again. You welcome!

[Aliblahba]

The new border proposal. Easy, just shift a little north.


Everything in between the black lines is the new U.S.





   

[DjembaDjemba]

Immigrating to Argentina is actually very easy. You just need to land, register, and you can automatically apply for citizenship.

[Moma]

(01-03-2014 03:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The new border proposal. Easy, just shift a little north.


Everything in between the black lines is the new U.S.

Hey, you cut off nearly all of Florida!!

[Tex Pro]

A better map of the USA:

[Suits]

(01-03-2014 03:33 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Immigrating to Argentina is actually very easy. You just need to land, register, and you can automatically apply for citizenship.

Incorrect.

Quote:

The current laws governing citizenship (Ley 346, Ley 23.059, and Decreto 3.213/84) set forth very simple requirements:
*be 18 years old or older;
*have been living in Argentina for 2 years; and
*apply for citizenship before a federal judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_nationality_law

[Aliblahba]

(01-03-2014 03:23 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

You will! And you are not going to be the first one. There was many stories like that. In all seriousness - if you never been fingerprinted by the feds - they have no way of knowing who you are. Just keep silent ( that's your right anyway) but give them false clue like Argentinian money in your pocket. You will spend about 2-4 weeks in a detention center where you can meet some Hispanic women and make connections,then they will deport you.After your free vacation you can come back and sue the government for deporting a US citizen without any evidence and make some money again. You welcome!

Don't got no Argentino money All I got is some Dominican pesos left and stupid Presidente tshirt. Hey Fisto! Looks like I'll be back in Santo Domingo in about 5 weeks.

I'm gonna follow him and the evil driver around all day offering to wash the windshield and shine their shoes.

[DjembaDjemba]

(01-03-2014 03:44 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:33 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Immigrating to Argentina is actually very easy. You just need to land, register, and you can automatically apply for citizenship.

Incorrect.

Quote:

The current laws governing citizenship (Ley 346, Ley 23.059, and Decreto 3.213/84) set forth very simple requirements:
*be 18 years old or older;
*have been living in Argentina for 2 years; and
*apply for citizenship before a federal judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_nationality_law

Still far easier than anything in pretty much any developed (or even developing) country.

If you're European (not sure about American) you can arrive without a visa. Working/living there 2 years isn't too bad of a requirement.

You have 90 days visa free stay, apply for work, get work, then apply for PR. 2 years later you're can apply for citizenship.

[Aliblahba]

(01-03-2014 03:35 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 03:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

The new border proposal. Easy, just shift a little north.


Everything in between the black lines is the new U.S.

Hey, you cut off nearly all of Florida!!

Well duh, its not like anyone south of I-10 speaks English anymore, anyways.

Fun fact- All the 17 down voters on that Youtube video have Greek last names.

[el mechanico]

Hey, Ali B nice job on your map you left out Montreal

[Hencredible Casanova]

(01-03-2014 04:03 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Hey, Ali B nice job on your map you left out Montreal

I noticed that too. I think (hope) he circled Ottawa assuming it was Montreal.

I think Miami is the most "foreign" city in the US. It's at a level where not knowing Spanish will negatively affect your job prospects.

[Quintus Curtius]

From reading the posts on this thread, I thought some of you guys might really like the British movie "Code 46", which came out in 2003. One of the best science fiction movies I've seen in terms of predicting what the future global society will look like.

Here's the plot summary:

Code 46 is a love story set in a Brave New World-type near-future where cities are heavily controlled and only accessible through checkpoints. People cannot travel unless they have "papeles" (papers in Spanish; words and sentences in many languages, especially Spanish, French and Chinese are mixed with English in this new world), a special travel permit issued by the totalitarian government, the "Sphinx". Outside these cities, the desert has taken over and shanty towns are jammed with non-citizens - people without IDs forced to live primitive lives. William is a family man who works as a government investigator. When he is sent to Shanghai to solve a case of fake IDs, he meets a woman named Maria. Although he realizes she is behind the forgeries, he cannot help but fall completely in love with her. He hides her crime and they have a wild, passionate affair that can only last as long as his visa: 24 hours.

Very creative, intelligent, and timely film. Some interesting things noted in the movie:

1. How viruses will become used by us at will to solve problems, including mindreading (the "empathy" virus)
2. How abuse of biotechnology will lead to unforseen consequences.
3. The development of a highly stratified world order based on the caste of wealth and privilege.
4. The gradual loss of intimacy and love.

Worth checking out....

[Aliblahba]

(01-03-2014 04:03 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Hey, Ali B nice job on your map you left out Montreal

No one met up with G during the Montreal meetup so it got banned.

[The Lizard of Oz]

People are still missing the simplest points.

Hispanic immigrants make great Americans.

Look at the hispanic dudes on this forum -- they're some of the coolest guys of anyone here. And they're some of the most American dudes anywhere. The Latino population is injecting new energies into our culture which are healthy and life-giving.

The culture could use some fresh blood, fresh energies. The Latinos might be just what the doctor ordered.

And no one on the thread mentioned Latina pussy? Is this still a game forum or what?

Latina pussy is fucking unbelievable.

But the only thing better is Latina/white blends. That is the finest pussy in the world, bar none.

So I think it's all good. If we were having an influx of America-hating Muslims like the Europeans do, I'd be as up in arms about it as everyone. And their pussy is nothing to brag about either, not to mention they keep it locked up.

But hispanics? I say bring 'em on and in one or two generations they'll make America a stronger and better country.

[Veloce]

(01-03-2014 01:27 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Which western county has a quicker path to citizenship? 7 years sounds normal if you compare other countries.

Making something easier so others don't cheat the system is a somewhat dubious thought process.

Maybe as a matter of principal. You could say the same thing about drug policy.

Government policy only goes so far. The will of the individual human is greater than any government entity.

You can imprison half your population; people are still going to smoke weed. And what's happened in recent years? More and more legislation de-criminalizing marijuana.

In regards to immigration, there should be less attention placed on illegal immigrants and more attention placed on employers. There's got to be a better way to sponsor an employee for citizenship or an extended work visa as the current process is too costly and bureaucratic.

I'll give you my personal anecdote:

Dishwashers are hard to find. It's insane. Even Mexicans are over it. It's rare that I get a Mexican dishwasher that speaks fluent English. If they can speak English, they've got a better job somewhere else. So I only get guys from dusty little northern towns in Sonora or Chihuahua that speak zero to little English. If and when these guys leave, I've got a job opening. I know with 100% of my heart that job will be filled by another non-English speaking Mexican, Central American, or Filipino.

Sometimes they're legal; most of the time they're not. There seems to be this rhetoric that all illegal immigrants come here and take cash-under-the-table jobs. I'm sure that's true in some fields, but not here. These guys can go to MacArthur Park and there are a few guys there that sling fake I.D.s and social security cards for 50 bucks. So they get their cards, show up to the hotel, "Estoy buscando un trabajo", and I get them started. I fill out an I-9 and W-4 so they're in the system just like a regular employee. We deduct income tax which goes straight to Uncle Sam, the only thing that gets iffy is their Social Security tax since they're using an alias, but the money goes in regardless.

So these guys are illegal, but they're paying into the system. They're taking a job no-one else will. They're making sure our rich folks in the restaurant get nice clean plates to eat off of. For the most part they live a quiet existence, don't drink, and live with 5 of their cousins and send half the money back home. In some cases they move the family up here, some of them have kids, and bingo it's a new round of American citizens living the dream.

What exactly is the problem with this scenario? Before you answer with "They're sending money outside of the U.S." keep in mind there are no white kids that apply to dishwashing positions. I've seen like 2 in 13 years, and these guys were one foot out of jail. Even if the job paid $15 an hour I promise you I would not be getting white dishwashers. I've put job postings on recruitement registries with agencies that get people off the streets. They'd rather live on the streets than wash dishes.

This is the scale we're working with. These are not retail jobs where you stand around in slacks and sneakers. This is old fashioned manual labor. The jobs are so shitty that you can barely find legal immigrants to take them, you have to go with illegal. It takes some hardworking grunt from the deserts of northern Mexico, a gang infested town in Central America, some skin-and-bones kid fresh off the boat from Haiti, or a guy living in a 3rd world cinder block in the Philippines to want to work as a dishwasher.

America has always been a nation of immigrants. It's the very basis of our economy. Instead of having a closed door policy, it would be wiser to regulate it in a sustainable fashion.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-03-2014 04:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Maybe as a matter of principal. You could say the same thing about drug policy.

Government policy only goes so far. The will of the individual human is greater than any government entity.

You can imprison half your population; people are still going to smoke weed. And what's happened in recent years? More and more legislation de-criminalizing marijuana.

I don't see that it was made easier because it wasn't controllable (which is wasn't just like prohibition), I see it as people rallying to get laws changed like it should have been. They used the system in place as it was designed.

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In regards to immigration, there should be less attention placed on illegal immigrants and more attention placed on employers. There's got to be a better way to sponsor an employee for citizenship or an extended work visa as the current process is too costly and bureaucratic.

Yeah, I don't understand how these businesses don't worry too much about getting busted. It sounds like the repercussions are pretty low.

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This is the scale we're working with. These are not retail jobs where you stand around in slacks and sneakers. This is old fashioned manual labor. The jobs are so shitty that you can barely find legal immigrants to take them, you have to go with illegal. It takes some hardworking grunt from the deserts of northern Mexico, a gang infested town in Central America, some skin-and-bones kid fresh off the boat from Haiti, or a guy living in a 3rd world cinder block in the Philippines to want to work as a dishwasher.

That is really the only reason the illegal problem hasn't been fixed.

Like I said earlier, these are mainly jobs most people won't take at the wage asked. Most people don't want to pay more for services or products so in that way they have already said they were for illegal immigration. If the pay if good enough, you will find Americans who will do the job. Look at what people put up with in the oil fields. There is always a price. Those higher prices will be passed on to consumers and they won't like that so we get illegals in to keep costs down.

Exporting dollars back home will matter if there is a large enough amount not being recirculated within our economy. I do know that one of Philippines major imports is foreign money from all of the overseas workers.

It is a major contributor to that economy.

I don't think it is a big deal here, though, or at least I haven't read anything to give me any indication it was a problem.

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Instead of having a closed door policy, it would be wiser to regulate it in a sustainable fashion.

We do have it regulated. It isn't like we don't have legal immigrants that go through the process.

Allowing illegals to have driver licenses and to get student loans is bypassing those regulations.

Access to programs paid by tax payers is bypassing those regulations.

Allowing them to work is bypassing those regulations.

By opening the door more, I suspect you will still have a worker shortage for low wage jobs. Who in their right mind would work a low paying job while they could be making roughly 36k in welfare benefits? I don't think we can afford more people on welfare.