[G Q]

I'm not a master of gaming the cream of the crop females like members McQueen and scorpion, but I can tell you what NOT to do + other tips if you're trying to get with these elusive women. I've been focusing mostly on 8's and 9's this past year and have made A LOT of mistakes. This is my way of giving back to this forum for now I suppose. Let me give you a little background about myself:

-24
-Model
-6'2"
-Average bankroll

What do I mean by 8's and 9's?
-5'5" and above
-slim to curvy (in the right places) type of body
-you walk with her anywhere and heads turn
-model
-the girl in the club you don't even think about approacing because she's literally too "hot" so you disregard her without thinking twice

1) Don't try to pick one up from the club
If you have an average bankroll like me and not dropping money on a table, you can forget about it. Even if your rich friends have a table I'm almost positive she's just trying to get free drinks. Approaching is tough because the music is loud and it's so damn dark. Conversations will go slow, she won't get your witty jokes, and she won't be able to see the little alpha movements you do. Status and money overpowers game in this environment.

You're better off with day gaming or meeting them through friends instead. You'll have a much higher chance of dating them.

2) Don't meet her at the club if you haven't banged her yet
If you've met her elsewhere and she agrees to hang out with you, do not even set foot in the club. Her value immediately skyrockets above yours and you will lose her. Once again status and money overpowers game here.

Even though she pushes to meet you at the club, hold your frame and insist elsewhere within your logistics. As a matter of fact, DON'T ever meet her anywhere that she suggests. There's a reason why she's pushing you to meet her on her grounds and waaay more often than not, the night won't play out in your favor.


3) Don't ever meet her with her friends
Hot girls have hot friends. Her friends will judge the hell out of you and cockblock the shit out of you. Her hot friends are dating big time ballers and somewhat famous people. You will be compared to her friend's current high profile fuck buddy or BF.

If she is insisting on tagging her friends along, just reply with "nah, nvm" or say something came up. At least the thought of you flaking on her ups the value in her eyes and she may even change her mind. YOU WILL NOT GET LAID ON A GROUP DATE

4) Don't overly text her
Roosh's basic standard text game is great, but that shit doesn't work on these cursed angels. You're just going to be one of the hundreds of guys trying to game her on text. She'll respond to you but you won't get a date with her.

The trick is to be suuuper aloof. Keep your texts under 10 words and don't ask any questions. Respond over double the time she responds to you. Don't push for the date the first week you met her. Scorpion dropped this advice on me and it's gotten me very fucking far. Thanks scorpion.

5) Don't add her on FB or follow her on IG or Twitter
These attention whores are 5000 friend limit maxed out on FB with an additional 2000 beta followers. Messages you send you will not be read. Even if she was interested in you before, adding her will erase the shroud of mystery about you. A big No-No with these types of women.

Just don't get a FB at all. If you already have one, don't add any of your future prospects and make sure you hide your account.

6) Don't be the slightest of beta
After fucking her, don't get comfortable and drop your alpha frame even for a second. The minute you drop it is the minute you lose her.

She's class A so your game has to be class A at all times. Hold your frame because she will shit test you on a regular basis. Always be willing to drop her at anytime and don't be afraid to let her know it too. Don't fall for her tricky reasonings and the cute way she cries. It's all shit tests bro TRUST ME.

7) Don't get emotionally attached
This one is a hard one and still gets to me at times. Get those fantasy thoughts of you guys walking on the beach out of your head. Stop thinking about your future plans with her. These will all not happen because 8's and 9's are elusive. They are temporary and will not stick around for very long. You'll have a massive heartache the day she stops replying to you.

The only thing to do here is to prolong the inevitable by keeping an alpha frame and fucking her real good. These bitches have so many options and are getting plenty attention from other top notch men that you will be dropped one day. By one day I mean within 2-3 months at most. Enjoy it while it lasts.

__________________________________________________


I know, I know, some of these are "DUH" to a lot of you guys. Just treat it as a super extra reminder then.

What I've learned so far about these top tier women is that Money/Status > Game overall when handling these women. Based on what I see, I've seen more of these high quality women in LTR's with ridiculously wealthy average joes with little to no game rather than with alpha males. I've only been able to bang about 5 of these high quality broads this year and lockdown 1 in a LTR, but even that LTR lasted only 4 months.

I wish I could write more but I don't have much time and just doing this really quick. It would be nice to hear some input from all the vets. I'm still learning so I'll probably do a little update in the next half year.

[blkgatsby]

best venues to daygame these types of girls?
Oh and having one of these girls as a wingwoman is lifesaver in more ways than one. Getting free drinks, not paying cover and hopping to the front of the line is fun, and having a pre-appoval for her (hot) friends are nice perks. Association is powerful.

[soup]

Sounds interesting, but it is clear that the OP has never been with a girl of that quality. So this is a thread that is maybe trying to be cool, troll, or it is a newbie thread.

[Frank Mackey]

I think game methods should be adjusted depending on venues, mood and personality of the girl, your physical/financial attributes, your and her age, etc. But they should not vary depending on whether the girl is very beautiful or not. Specially in your case: if you're a model as you say, you should not shy away from approaching 8s and 9s, whether in the street or in the dance floor...

[XXL]

I don't know but Distant Light now but no so long ago he used to be a broke party animal with no other lifestyle than clubbing 7 days a week and he was well known for partying & hooking up with nothing less than models in top clubs in NYC.

He's out there somewhere laughing at first 3 points right now.

[G Q]

(12-27-2013 03:34 AM)soup Wrote:  

Sounds interesting, but it is clear that the OP has never been with a girl of that quality. So this is a thread that is maybe trying to be cool, troll, or it is a newbie thread.

1) I didn't put it in the newbie sub-forum since gaming 8's and 9's isn't something a newbie should be concerned with yet.

2) I have no plans of ever becoming a consistent poster on here with high reputation. Being cool online for a couple days is rather pointless..

3) No one has to believe me I'm just sharing what I've experienced and giving back to the forum. Merry Christmas.

[Smooth Operator]

Quote:

what NOT to do when gaming 8's and 9's

Thinking about how hot she is and rating her. Don't do that.


Evaluate her on her behaviour, not her looks.

Hotties are not different than normal girls, it are the men that treat them differently, just as you're doing...

[G Q]

(12-27-2013 04:11 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

I think game methods should be adjusted depending on venues, mood and personality of the girl, your physical/financial attributes, your and her age, etc. But they should not vary depending on whether the girl is very beautiful or not. Specially in your case: if you're a model as you say, you should not shy away from approaching 8s and 9s, whether in the street or in the dance floor...

I'm not saying it's impossible to get these types of women from the clubs. I suppose I was trying to indirectly point out that guys like me have a tough time too with these women. But then again maybe my club game needs improvement. I personally have had more success in bars where it's easier to talk.

(12-27-2013 04:59 AM)XXL Wrote:  

I don't know but Distant Light now but no so long ago he used to be a broke party animal with no other lifestyle than clubbing 7 days a week and he was well known for partying & hooking up with nothing less than models in top clubs in NYC.

He's out there somewhere laughing at first 3 points right now.

I only hear and read stories of guys like that. I would pay good money to watch someone in action so I can know the secret to consistently hooking up with models every night on a low budget.

[funkyzeit]

They have ridiculous shields so you have to stand out to be noticed. If you are not physically impressive try venues with less people and less well dressed people. Best way to pick 8s and 9s (in my environment at least) is in bars where these girls are with one friend and you have more chances to be spotted and to stand out.

Clubs are hard, I agree. With all bottle services being offered to them and all those dudes trying to get with them it's hard to maintain a consistent conversation and chemistry.

[pitt]

Straight bullshit advice, if this guy is not trolling, I don't know what he is doing.

[Screwston]

Lol at a model and 6'2. Why'd you forget to include your 11 inch dick?

[TheMan]

Rating them anything other than yes or no already starts you off on the back foot. :/

[TheMan]

Aaaaaaaaand (s)he's banned

...Quelle surprise

[wi30]

I stopped reading when he referred to them as "cursed angels".

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-27-2013 02:47 AM)G Q Wrote:  

I'm not a master of gaming the cream of the crop females like members McQueen and scorpion, but I can tell you what NOT to do + other tips if you're trying to get with these elusive women. I've been focusing mostly on 8's and 9's this past year and have made A LOT of mistakes. This is my way of giving back to this forum for now I suppose. Let me give you a little background about myself:

-24
-Model
-6'2"
-Average bankroll

What do I mean by 8's and 9's?
-5'5" and above
-slim to curvy (in the right places) type of body
-you walk with her anywhere and heads turn
-model
-the girl in the club you don't even think about approacing because she's literally too "hot" so you disregard her without thinking twice

1) Don't try to pick one up from the club
If you have an average bankroll like me and not dropping money on a table, you can forget about it. Even if your rich friends have a table I'm almost positive she's just trying to get free drinks. Approaching is tough because the music is loud and it's so damn dark. Conversations will go slow, she won't get your witty jokes, and she won't be able to see the little alpha movements you do. Status and money overpowers game in this environment.

You're better off with day gaming or meeting them through friends instead. You'll have a much higher chance of dating them.

2) Don't meet her at the club if you haven't banged her yet
If you've met her elsewhere and she agrees to hang out with you, do not even set foot in the club. Her value immediately skyrockets above yours and you will lose her. Once again status and money overpowers game here.

Even though she pushes to meet you at the club, hold your frame and insist elsewhere within your logistics. As a matter of fact, DON'T ever meet her anywhere that she suggests. There's a reason why she's pushing you to meet her on her grounds and waaay more often than not, the night won't play out in your favor.


3) Don't ever meet her with her friends
Hot girls have hot friends. Her friends will judge the hell out of you and cockblock the shit out of you. Her hot friends are dating big time ballers and somewhat famous people. You will be compared to her friend's current high profile fuck buddy or BF.

If she is insisting on tagging her friends along, just reply with "nah, nvm" or say something came up. At least the thought of you flaking on her ups the value in her eyes and she may even change her mind. YOU WILL NOT GET LAID ON A GROUP DATE

4) Don't overly text her
Roosh's basic standard text game is great, but that shit doesn't work on these cursed angels. You're just going to be one of the hundreds of guys trying to game her on text. She'll respond to you but you won't get a date with her.

The trick is to be suuuper aloof. Keep your texts under 10 words and don't ask any questions. Respond over double the time she responds to you. Don't push for the date the first week you met her. Scorpion dropped this advice on me and it's gotten me very fucking far. Thanks scorpion.

5) Don't add her on FB or follow her on IG or Twitter
These attention whores are 5000 friend limit maxed out on FB with an additional 2000 beta followers. Messages you send you will not be read. Even if she was interested in you before, adding her will erase the shroud of mystery about you. A big No-No with these types of women.

Just don't get a FB at all. If you already have one, don't add any of your future prospects and make sure you hide your account.

6) Don't be the slightest of beta
After fucking her, don't get comfortable and drop your alpha frame even for a second. The minute you drop it is the minute you lose her.

She's class A so your game has to be class A at all times. Hold your frame because she will shit test you on a regular basis. Always be willing to drop her at anytime and don't be afraid to let her know it too. Don't fall for her tricky reasonings and the cute way she cries. It's all shit tests bro TRUST ME.

7) Don't get emotionally attached
This one is a hard one and still gets to me at times. Get those fantasy thoughts of you guys walking on the beach out of your head. Stop thinking about your future plans with her. These will all not happen because 8's and 9's are elusive. They are temporary and will not stick around for very long. You'll have a massive heartache the day she stops replying to you.

The only thing to do here is to prolong the inevitable by keeping an alpha frame and fucking her real good. These bitches have so many options and are getting plenty attention from other top notch men that you will be dropped one day. By one day I mean within 2-3 months at most. Enjoy it while it lasts.

__________________________________________________


I know, I know, some of these are "DUH" to a lot of you guys. Just treat it as a super extra reminder then.

What I've learned so far about these top tier women is that Money/Status > Game overall when handling these women. Based on what I see, I've seen more of these high quality women in LTR's with ridiculously wealthy average joes with little to no game rather than with alpha males. I've only been able to bang about 5 of these high quality broads this year and lockdown 1 in a LTR, but even that LTR lasted only 4 months.

I wish I could write more but I don't have much time and just doing this really quick. It would be nice to hear some input from all the vets. I'm still learning so I'll probably do a little update in the next half year.

I liked this list. However, I believe all lists should be done in increments of 5, 10, 15, etc., so allow me to complete this one:

8) Don't fake epileptic seizures when meeting her family
For whatever reason, people don't find it funny when you do this, then get up from the floor and smile "Just kidding, folks!" Take a tip from one who tried.

9) Don't urinate in her lemonade
She might find this amusing the first time around. Perhaps even cute. But a steady diet (heh) of this sort of thing will prompt a "hard 9" to dump you. And let's not have any cracks about "hard lemonade." NOT funny.

10) Try not to lick her face like a dog
We've all been there. Passionate make-out sessions. It leads to love making. And then...all of a sudden...you want to lap her face up. The reason for this is that some confusion has come about on this board. But let me state it once and for all: This is NOT what we mean by doggie-style! Next time, look up definitions of things before taking action.

Coming next week: what not to do when gaming 1's and 2's. Hint: if you have an all-you-can-eat buffet place down the street, MOVE AWAY NOW!!

[BadgerHut]

(12-27-2013 05:26 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Straight bullshit advice, if this guy is not trolling, I don't know what he is doing.

Actually I saw most of his advice as "basic shit Roosh already wrote down in posts." That was my troll tell.

LOLz at the "I have no intention of being a regular contributor here."

[DrMengele]

How about just talk to them like you would any other girl? Yeah, I'll go with that.

[BadgerHut]

(12-28-2013 02:49 AM)DrMengele Wrote:  

How about just talk to them like you would any other girl? Yeah, I'll go with that.

I'll do you one better - why don't you just be yourself, man?

[BadgerHut]

(12-28-2013 02:49 AM)DrMengele Wrote:  

How about just talk to them like you would any other girl? Yeah, I'll go with that.

Also your handle is sick, and not in a good way. Almost worse than the redditor who went by "Rabbi Hitler."

[DrMengele]

Quote:

I'll do you one better - why don't you just be yourself, man?

No, that's too far. Mine's at least a little more legit and a little less lame.
If they're not arrogant cunts then I don't see why you shouldn't talk to them like any other girl.

And no, my "handle" is sick in the best way. Oy vey!

[BadgerHut]

(12-28-2013 02:53 AM)DrMengele Wrote:  

Quote:

I'll do you one better - why don't you just be yourself, man?

No, that's too far. Mine's at least a little more legit and a little less lame.
If they're not arrogant cunts then I don't see why you shouldn't talk to them like any other girl.

I responded with sarcasm because your advice is nearly non-actionable. Guys come to game forums because it's hard to "talk to hot girls like they are any other girl." You might as well tell them to JBY and jerk off with menthol lotion before going out. Let's not bullshit, hot girls are intimidating because they're hot and because plenty of them _are_ arrogant cunts. Guys with better game than I have advised similar "run the same game" advice, but (in addition to them having more than 2 posts on the forum) that's normally around a "don't get intimidated" angle and not a "you can treat an 8 like a 4, it's all the same dude."

[Distant Light]

(12-27-2013 04:59 AM)XXL Wrote:  

I don't know but Distant Light now but no so long ago he used to be a broke party animal with no other lifestyle than clubbing 7 days a week and he was well known for partying & hooking up with nothing less than models in top clubs in NYC.

He's out there somewhere laughing at first 3 points right now.

Hahahaha yea funny enough I did laugh and sadly realized he was banned...

This is that "wild" talk that I always mention about those who have no actual personal experience backing it up.

That said, "9 and 10" is subjective I prefer to say "ideal type" since it's essentially women who ideally you'd want in your life. That said, if I followed OPs advice I would not be living the life I currently live.

1. Daygame is time consuming and isn't profitable when you can go to the "top venues" in your city (especially major cities) and meet a vast amount of women. An like this guy once said...



"You don't need to own the yacht...just know the guy who does"

If your a fun cool dude who easily meets women, MEN with other resources will seek you out and want to align with you. I'm given free stuff because...
A. I've built the relationships
B. People are guaranteed to have fun in my presence
C. I know lots of women

2. Fuck Value...I'm fun!! I know this 100% based on my experiences...Also she is the one gaining access to my lifestyle, access, resources, connection, presence. I like partying so I bring her along. (I do also invite people to my friends improv shows and my chef friend dinner party)

3. This is a "Schemers" menality...Why would you not want to meet her friends? Fun fact...
- Hipster chick who I didn't pull one night...months later found a BF...They both hungout and we ended up checking out a "new" venue via her connector friend. That night i met that connector we exchanged #s and for the next 6 months was hanging with him every friday.

- One of my "social circles" at one point I was following around with 8-9 of the chicks. I wouldn't have known some of them if I didn't allow them to roll with their friends.

Bottomline, there are so many women that it is ridiculous and childish to be trying to "hoard" the women your connected with. I personally will cut dudes off SWIFTLY if I see any form of "attitude". She is human, she is allowed to jump at whatever opportunities she feel is best for her.

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I only hear and read stories of guys like that. I would pay good money to watch someone in action so I can know the secret to consistently hooking up with models every night on a low budget.

While I didn't bang 100% model types (not the only type I like...Fake tits & certain hipsters are amazing too) I do hookup almost exclusively with tall women who are attractive. (only 2 chicks this year were under 5'8)

Beyond that...
- I spend 0 dollars on nightlife
- I've seen majority of the top djs for free on a weekly basis (zedd, porter robinson, bingo players, arty, r3hab, tiesto, dada life, etc)
- I focus more time on "quality" people than randoms. (In past, a cold approach was more important time wise than say a friend who wanted to grab a bite and/or couldn't get into a club)

An as always proof is in the pudding...

NOTE, keep this vid within forum only as I have it unlisted since this is more of a personal video AND 3 known people revealed while they are simply out and about. (tyson beckford, busta rhymes and swizz beats) I personally do not take vids of celebs unless there was a "moment" we had together. (Also kills the "discretion" vibe since we don't want all our crazy antics on videos hahaha)

[HonantheBarbarian]

Jesus Christ I hate nightlife but that vid looked like so much fun!