[jariel]

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NEW YORK (AP) — A father threw his young child off the roof of a 52-story Manhattan apartment building in a murder-suicide on the first day he was allowed to be alone with the boy amid an ugly custody battle with the mother, police officials said Monday.

"There was a history of domestic turmoil," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told reporters.

Dmitriy Kanarikov picked up his 3-year-old son at 10 a.m. Sunday at a Manhattan police precinct — a neutral site negotiated in advance by the parents — to spend time with him for the first time "outside of some sort of institutional setting," Kelly said.

"He picked up the son and we all know now tragically he went to a building. ... (and) took the son to the roof," the commissioner said. "All indications are he threw him off and that's when he jumped himself."

A friend of Kanarikov had once lived in the building, located a short distance away from Columbus Circle and Lincoln Center. Investigators recovered a security video showing the father and son entering without being stopped by the doorman, and located Kanarikov's Lexus parked outside.

Officers responding to an emergency call reporting two jumpers from the building on the Upper West Side around noon Sunday found Kanarikov, 35, of Brooklyn, and the boy on the lower rooftops of two separate nearby buildings.

The man was pronounced dead at the scene and his son, Kirill Kanarikov, was pronounced dead at a hospital, police said. A witness said the boy was wearing Christmas pajamas.

The motive behind the tragedy remained murky on Monday. Kelly said there was no note found, and investigators have no evidence Kanarikov ever threatened to harm his son. However, at one point, he had told his wife that "unless she signed over the house to him and some undisclosed property, he was going to take the child," Kelly said.

Kanarikov and his wife married in 2009 and lived in Brooklyn, where their son was born a year later. They separated last year, and the mother and son moved to New Jersey and got an order of protection.

http://news.yahoo.com/nypd-father-throws...43799.html

[Katatonic]

So he didn't get his way, and decided to kill himself and punish his wife by killing his child as well? Every day I'm reminded of how emotionally retarded most people are.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Very stupid and bad of him. Killing yourself - and especially not your kid - can never be the solution for any problem.

That said, I am not surprised that this pushed him over the edge. The system designed to grind down fathers during divorce can really leave a toll on the psychologically weakest.

[Suits]

(12-24-2013 02:48 AM)jariel Wrote:  

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However, at one point, he had told his wife that "unless she signed over the house to him and some undisclosed property, he was going to take the child," Kelly said.

Manslation: She wanted the house, the child and everything else. He was open to a compromise, but was super pissed that she was trying to throw him out of the house he paid for, which taking majority custody of their child, forcing him to live in some lousy rental so as to be able to afford alimony and child support payments.

Remember, she must be kept in the manner to which she has become accustomed.

No wonder he jumped.

[Beyond Borders]

If a hell exists, may this douchebag reside in it.

[tomtud]

Terrible situation. I wish he was a Member of this forum perhaps he would've been red pill and realize that there are other means to exact revenge if that is what he was doing.

[sylo]

The man is responsible here. He threw his son to his death then jumped off a building. All the blame needs to be placed on him.

[mikeymike]

(12-24-2013 03:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 02:48 AM)jariel Wrote:  

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However, at one point, he had told his wife that "unless she signed over the house to him and some undisclosed property, he was going to take the child," Kelly said.

Manslation: She wanted the house, the child and everything else. He was open to a compromise, but was super pissed that she was trying to throw him out of the house he paid for, which taking majority custody of their child, forcing him to live in some lousy rental so as to be able to afford alimony and child support payments.

Remember, she must be kept in the manner to which she has become accustomed.

No wonder he jumped.

lmao that is some leap. This is what the feminists sound like when they talk about us. I dont know if I could hear anything that would justify him killing his own child but if I was the type that could hear something I sure as hell would want to hear some facts before I could defend him, at best id be neutral no way I auto jump to his defense like this.

[Suits]

(12-24-2013 06:13 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 03:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 02:48 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Quote:

However, at one point, he had told his wife that "unless she signed over the house to him and some undisclosed property, he was going to take the child," Kelly said.

Manslation: She wanted the house, the child and everything else. He was open to a compromise, but was super pissed that she was trying to throw him out of the house he paid for, which taking majority custody of their child, forcing him to live in some lousy rental so as to be able to afford alimony and child support payments.

Remember, she must be kept in the manner to which she has become accustomed.

No wonder he jumped.

lmao that is some leap. This is what the feminists sound like when they talk about us. I dont know if I could hear anything that would justify him killing his own child but if I was the type that could hear something I sure as hell would want to hear some facts before I could defend him, at best id be neutral no way I auto jump to his defense like this.

I didn't mean to justify what he did. It was obviously wrong. No question about that.

However, I think that we need to remember that to be able to do what he did would pretty much require being mentally ill.

He was clearly broken. Either there was (1) something wrong with him before the child custody trial and it proceeded in a perfectly fair manner and he was just a sore loser, who unfortunately was also mentally ill, or

(2) the experience pushed a previously healthy guy over the edge and he lost it and did the unforgivable.

But what I don't understand is how it could be a leap to assume that he was in the process of getting raped by the family courts.

Usually I'm the type to demand facts supporting someone's position, but in regards to family courts, I just go ahead and assume that they were out for the man's blood.

If you don't agree, why do women get custody in like 98% of cases?

I don't trust the story as presented by the media. It's not a stretch that they'd do whatever was necessary to propagate the narrative that women are good and men do terrible things because they are all horrible.

All they've printed about the trial situation was one out of context quote that couldn't have been better cherry picked to make him look like an asshole.

[Parlay44]

You guys have clearly never had to deal with a cunt of this magnitude.
I don't condone his actions but I understand

[Dr. Howard]

fuck, thanks building jumper, you've now put up some good precedent to keep kids away from their Dads. I can easily imagine another custody case like this "Your honor, Mr. Wiscanada should only have supervised access, we all know what happened with the NY building jumper when he had unsupervised access"

[Beyond Borders]

(12-24-2013 08:06 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You guys have clearly never had to deal with a cunt of this magnitude.
I don't condone his actions but I understand

I'll never understand a man who murders his own child.

He could have just killed himself if he couldn't hack it. Or ran away from the system and chose to not be a part of the kid's life.

Maybe those don't seem like very good options but you don't take the kid's life away from him just because you made a mistake about what woman to impregnate (which, let's face it, we have no way of knowing is the case).

Commit suicide - fine that's your call. Take the life of a child too?

Nothing in this world could be more cowardly and completely selfish, and I I'll venture that if the guy was that fucked up and spineless enough to do such a thing that it's possible there was good reason he was only allowed around his kid with supervision.

I also think it's alarming to assume the woman is a cunt just because there was a history of domestic issues and an ugly custody battle.

Are we really getting to the point here where we immediately assume men are flawless creatures and the woman is always wrong? Even in a situation where the guy is so obviously selfish and mentally unstable?

[Parlay44]

Custody is a power struggle. It's a female's final stand showing she has power over him by controlling access to his kid. This is like his last fuck you to her.

You can take the moral position on this all you want but until you've been put in the situation you can never really understand. Women will push you and raise the stakes. This is just him calling her bluff.

[Suits]

(12-24-2013 08:18 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 08:06 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You guys have clearly never had to deal with a cunt of this magnitude.
I don't condone his actions but I understand

I'll never understand a man who murders his own child.

He could have just killed himself if he couldn't hack it. Or ran away from the system and chose to not be a part of the kid's life.

Maybe those don't seem like very good options but you don't take the kid's life away from him just because you made a mistake about what woman to impregnate (which, let's face it, we have no way of knowing is the case).

Commit suicide - fine that's your call. Take the life of a child too?

Nothing in this world could be more cowardly and completely selfish, and I I'll venture that if the guy was that fucked up and spineless enough to do such a thing that it's possible there was good reason he was only allowed around his kid with supervision.

I also think it's alarming to assume the woman is a cunt just because there was a history of domestic issues and an ugly custody battle.

Are we really getting to the point here where we immediately assume men are flawless creatures and the woman is always wrong? Even in a situation where the guy is so obviously selfish and mentally unstable?

No one who takes a child's life like this is ok upstairs.

This dude was clearly mentally ill, whether induced by circumstance or by genetics. He was not ok.

It's a tragedy that a child died. But I can't blame an obviously mentally ill man for having a screwed up head. I blame the system for prioritizing getting women all the help they could ever need (free abortions, domestic abuse shelters and birth control for everyone with a vagina!!!!!!!), but treating all males as disposable.

What this man did was horrible, but the problem here is systemic in nature. If the pendulum swing doesn't change course, we are going to be seeing more and more terrible headlines like this.

Of course, this isn't the first time that a divorce raped man has gone postal and killed his whole family.

A lot of guys just get through it and grin and bear it. But dudes that are predisposed to mental problems are going to get pushed over the edge every once in a while.

Being fat is not a disease.
Alcoholism is not a disease.

Throwing a child off of a building in cold blood? Anyone who does that has a problem well beyond their own control.

I don't think that men or women who routinely abuse those they should love always have a mental problem. There really are bad people who are totally responsible for their horrible actions.

I don't think that men or women who lose their temper at their kids and end up killing or injuring them should get a free pass. These are normal people doing bad things and they SHOULD be prosecuted.

But tossing a kid off of a building prior to killing yourself, because you are pissed at your ex-wife and the system that presumably empowers her to divorce rape you up the ass? You just know there is something wrong with that dude that goes well beyond poor decision making.


Edit: It's probably fairly obvious that I feel pretty passionate about this issue, but I think that I'm quickly approaching the point were I've said more than my fair share on the matter. Therefore, I'm going to be bowing out of this discussion now. Considering how contentious this issue is, if there is significant respond in disagreement to the points I've argued, you have my promise that I'm going to seriously considering changing my views on this topic. I appreciate any feedback, positive or negative.

[cardguy]

Frustrated betas are the most dangerous people in the world.

They don't snap often. But when they do...

[MHaes]

Yeah, I don't care what the ex-wife did in this situation.

This dude is pathetic, no excuse or rationalization for his actions.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-24-2013 08:40 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Custody is a power struggle. It's a female's final stand showing she has power over him by controlling access to his kid. This is like his last fuck you to her.

You can take the moral position on this all you want but until you've been put in the situation you can never really understand. Women will push you and raise the stakes. This is just him calling her bluff.

still, I don't understand why this would be the last "fuck you" I would think that if someone had lost all sanity and was out of legal options to win and went nuclear/scorched earth they have killed the ex wife not themselves and then gone on the run while leaving the kid with relatives. That would be a 'fuck you' in the most criminal sense.

This is more like the real life version of screaming and flipping over the monopoly board when you have landed on boardwalk with hotels and you don't own it. She just thinks he's a sore loser now, no point is proven and a child is dead.

[Parlay44]

(12-24-2013 11:33 AM)wiscanada Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 08:40 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Custody is a power struggle. It's a female's final stand showing she has power over him by controlling access to his kid. This is like his last fuck you to her.

You can take the moral position on this all you want but until you've been put in the situation you can never really understand. Women will push you and raise the stakes. This is just him calling her bluff.

still, I don't understand why this would be the last "fuck you" I would think that if someone had lost all sanity and was out of legal options to win and went nuclear/scorched earth they have killed the ex wife not themselves and then gone on the run while leaving the kid with relatives. That would be a 'fuck you' in the most criminal sense.

This is more like the real life version of screaming and flipping over the monopoly board when you have landed on boardwalk with hotels and you don't own it. She just thinks he's a sore loser now, no point is proven and a child is dead.

Leaving her alive to dwell on it for the rest of her life is worse than killing her. He hated her that much.
Now that is a "fuck you". She'll probably end up killing herself.

[Kingsley Davis]

(12-24-2013 11:49 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 11:33 AM)wiscanada Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 08:40 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Custody is a power struggle. It's a female's final stand showing she has power over him by controlling access to his kid. This is like his last fuck you to her.

You can take the moral position on this all you want but until you've been put in the situation you can never really understand. Women will push you and raise the stakes. This is just him calling her bluff.

still, I don't understand why this would be the last "fuck you" I would think that if someone had lost all sanity and was out of legal options to win and went nuclear/scorched earth they have killed the ex wife not themselves and then gone on the run while leaving the kid with relatives. That would be a 'fuck you' in the most criminal sense.

This is more like the real life version of screaming and flipping over the monopoly board when you have landed on boardwalk with hotels and you don't own it. She just thinks he's a sore loser now, no point is proven and a child is dead.

Leaving her alive to dwell on it for the rest of her life is worse than killing her. He hated her that much.
Now that is a "fuck you". She'll probably end up killing herself.

Nah, you under estimate the hamster especially a Russian one.

[Brodiaga]

When I read about people like Gagarin and Kalashnikov, I am proud to be Russian. When I read this, I am ashamed.

[Beyond Borders]

(12-24-2013 08:40 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Custody is a power struggle. It's a female's final stand showing she has power over him by controlling access to his kid. This is like his last fuck you to her.

Killing yourself is...maybe...in a twisted, fucked-up state of mind a last fuck you. Okay, I can envision that.

Killing an innocent child is not. That shit is just beyond selfish. Sorry bro but you could try all year and never rationalize that.

(12-24-2013 08:40 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You can take the moral position on this all you want but until you've been put in the situation you can never really understand. Women will push you and raise the stakes. This is just him calling her bluff.

"The moral position?" lol

Sorry, Parlay - I've liked a lot of your posts and am actually surprised I've never repped you before.

But even beyond the ridiculousness of calling my insistence that murdering your own child is beyond fucked up a convenient moral position because I just don't "really understand"....you're basing your opinion on....nothing?

Unless you have some information on this case the rest of us don't I honestly can't understand where you're coming from even for a second. This guy is a man so he must have really been under pressure to murder his own kid? His bitch must have really been fucking with him?

Really???? Because there's no male douchebags in the world...?

We know nothing about this guy. I would venture that there are probably just as many fucked up males in the world as female...just look around you!

But I don't even have to argue this point because this guy already proved he's a fucked up person. He killed his own kid.

Yet we're going to immediately side with him because he (presumably) has a cock and balls...without knowing any other details of the case????

Nah, fuck that.

If this is where the manosphere is headed, y'all boys can have it.

I'll think for myself, thank you.

[TigerMandingo]

(12-24-2013 01:25 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

When I read about people like Gagarin and Kalashnikov, I am proud to be Russian. When I read this, I am ashamed.

Hate to nitpick, but apparently the guy was Ukrainian. From Kharkiv.

[Bushido]

Some of you guys are sounding as bad as the feminists.

Knee-jerk reactions all round without doing any real thinking.

This guy MURDERED his own son in cold blood.

I don't care how fucked up the system is.

I don't care how depressed or mentally ill he was.

"Feeling bad" is no rationalization for killing children...in Christmas pyjamas no less.

If it was simply "the system" he would have killed himself and been done with it. This goes way beyond that.

In better times men would have dismissed this guy as the evil piece of shit that he obviously was.

Where is the morality? Would it hurt to give the wife the benefit of the doubt for once?

[Agastya]

(12-24-2013 08:38 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

We know nothing about this guy. I would venture that there are probably just as many fucked up males in the world as female...just look around you!

But I don't even have to argue this point because this guy already proved he's a fucked up person. He killed his own kid.

Yet we're going to immediately side with him because he (presumably) has a cock and balls...without knowing any other details of the case????

Nah, fuck that.

If this is where the manosphere is headed, y'all boys can have it.

I'll think for myself, thank you.

This.

Every apologist post on this thread is not only idiotic, it's also harmful to the manosphere as a whole. There is no justification for killing an innocent child, let alone your own son. None whatsoever. This was an act of utter depravity and stupidity, something only the most omega of omega males could accomplish. And no, it wasn't "feminism" that made him do this. Sure, it is true that the feminist influence on custody law probably did screw him over, which is deplorable. People of both genders, however, have been doing this since time immemorial.

The cynicism that pervades this thread is unhealthy and detrimental to RVF's entire cause. Do any of you realize how bad comments like these make us look? Of course the manginas and radfems are going to be up in arms about anything we say, but think of an average Joe, who, on the cusp of taking the red pill, comes across this thread. He'd probably lose all faith in this site and its teachings altogether. It also validates every member of the peanut gallery who calls us shitty, angry woman-haters, since that's exactly what these posts make us sound like.

The manosphere constantly emphasizes the fact that woman have the potential to be awful, disgusting people, something that the mainstream media doesn't fully recognize. This leads some to believe that men are incapable of being just as deplorably terrible. When evidence arises that men can, in fact, be just as horrible and messed up as women, these individuals get confused and blame women anyway.

[Peregrine]

Seconding Beyond Borders' position on the issue. While I can certainly empathize with the trauma that might lead a man to this particular ledge, it's still a reprehensible act.

There is no honor in killing your own son to spite your ex-wife.