[Veloce]

(12-24-2013 01:27 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

http://www.sovereignman.com/finance/thin...ain-12453/

I've been on the sovereignman email list for quite some time.

At this point I've concluded that this guy (possibly girl according to some reports) is nothing more than a fearmongering dufus that scares people into buying his $350/year membership.

[DVY]

The fact is people (rich and poor) from other countries fight to come to USA. Must say something. The property rights laws here are among the best in the world. The system is fairly equitable and not subject to mass corruption and confiscation of individual assets.

The best of both worlds is to make money here, hold 50-75% hard assets here in the USA, and live elsewhere (mainly for lifestyle deflation and women improvement).

I agree on sovereign man- modern day doomslinger. But I still get tidbits of good information. Lately, hes ramped up his recruiting for the newslettter. I have no doubt the banks he advocates get a lot of business (and he gets kickbacks). Much like RVF, I view it as an idea-incubator.

[Tail Gunner]

(12-24-2013 01:49 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 01:27 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

http://www.sovereignman.com/finance/thin...ain-12453/

I've been on the sovereignman email list for quite some time.

At this point I've concluded that this guy (possibly girl according to some reports) is nothing more than a fearmongering dufus that scares people into buying his $350/year membership.

I would not buy one of his memberships either (because of lack of value). But that is irrelevant to the discussion. Either what is contained in the article is true -- or it is not.

Too many people on this thread attack the messenger rather than try to debate the issues based on logic, facts, and reason.

[Tail Gunner]

(12-24-2013 03:06 PM)DVY Wrote:  

The fact is people (rich and poor) from other countries fight to come to USA. Must say something. The property rights laws here are among the best in the world. The system is fairly equitable and not subject to mass corruption and confiscation of individual assets.

No, that does not say anything. That is an apples and oranges comparison. Of course the poor wish to come here, because it is all about economic survival.

These immigrants could care less about personal liberty, right-or-wrong, or cultural issues. Most come from nations where there is very little liberty.

I have a friend whose parents, decades ago, moved from India to Laos for economic opportunity. Laos was a despotic communist regime. Freedom can be irrelevant when you are in survival mode.

[GameTheory]

(12-24-2013 01:49 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 01:27 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

http://www.sovereignman.com/finance/thin...ain-12453/

I've been on the sovereignman email list for quite some time.

At this point I've concluded that this guy (possibly girl according to some reports) is nothing more than a fearmongering dufus that scares people into buying his $350/year membership.

[amuseBouche]

Do you guys feel religion creates unnecessary friction in moving policy? Maybe there's too much moralizing here? It seems like china and parts of europe are more or less amoral and lean towards logic. I know it's not that simple but could be a contributing issue in all this...

[GameTheory]

Fux Noooooz reports:

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-24-2013 01:49 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 01:27 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

http://www.sovereignman.com/finance/thin...ain-12453/

I've been on the sovereignman email list for quite some time.

At this point I've concluded that this guy (possibly girl according to some reports) is nothing more than a fearmongering dufus that scares people into buying his $350/year membership.

I'm on his e-mail list too. The guy is so out there with his advice that's inapplicable to most people. Entertaining at times though.

[WilliamShatnersEgo]

I'm of the mind that America needs to reap the whirlwind to remind themselves of the natural principles they are attempting to set themselves apart from. Fat, sickly society rots from within, feminism makes them weak. The basic foundations are almost gone and the fortress will fall from a thousand cuts (pro-multiculturalism, immigration, pro-Israel, etc).

I hope it doesn't affect Canada too much.

[Teutatis]

America does indeed, just like every other nation in the world, have several serious problems, and we should obviously discuss these issues, but this ultra libertarian view that some here share, that the world is going to be completely destroyed tomorrow, we are all doomed and the only way to return to this perfect world/society that never really existed but in that person's imagination is for us to burn and purge all society is a bit scary for me, it just looks too dark, oppressive and totalitarian.

I'm sure these ultra libertarian types are good people that are worried about themselves, their families and the society they live in and want things to improve for everyone but some must be really miserable and sad. Geez, life is a bitch and then you die but smile once in a while.

From what I read apparently this type of thinking is not new and actually quite common, it has existed in every generation, for centuries, so, just for a change of pace from the doom and gloom I predict that 2014 is going to be a great year, the economy will keep improving and more men and women will figure out how destructive feminism is. Small slow steps but it'll happen.

[scotian]

(12-24-2013 06:25 PM)WilliamShatnersEgo Wrote:  

I'm of the mind that America needs to reap the whirlwind to remind themselves of the natural principles they are attempting to set themselves apart from. Fat, sickly society rots from within, feminism makes them weak. The basic foundations are almost gone and the fortress will fall from a thousand cuts (pro-multiculturalism, immigration, pro-Israel, etc).

I hope it doesn't affect Canada too much.

Canada is the most USA dependent county in the world and if they go down the shitter, then so do we, big time. I always laugh when I hear Canadians go off on how they don't like the States and other anti-USA bullshit, it just doesn't make any sense, I can understand some criticism but some people take it too far, my dad for example, lives in the States for 6 months a year yet "can't stand those God damned Yankees!".

Canada is even more pro-multiculturalism (we invented that as official policy, didn't we?), immigration and, under Harper, very pro-Israel.

[BadWolf]

I believe America and the large majority of the 1st world countries will slowly cease to exist in present form. Most Western born males are not having children or are having dysfunctional/poor children. The immigrants from the 3rd world countries are the ones with money and they are entering the 1st world with the power to influence and change things. As white/black women opt out of marriage AND more importantly children, middle eastern, latin american and asian families are stepping up to replace them.

American ideals are wiping themselves out and being replaced by children brought up in strong 2 parent families where the MAN is the one in charge. Fat acceptance/Feminism all die with the single feminist women and the LGBT crowd who opt out of having children. The world will self correct, make no mistake. No matter what American women would like you to believe, there is no stronger bond than a 2 parent family with children where the woman loves and supports the man and the man loves and appreciates the woman.

[Sherman]

Cartoon made 50 years ago predicts the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6p5QPVhPI

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-24-2013 08:32 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 06:25 PM)WilliamShatnersEgo Wrote:  

I'm of the mind that America needs to reap the whirlwind to remind themselves of the natural principles they are attempting to set themselves apart from. Fat, sickly society rots from within, feminism makes them weak. The basic foundations are almost gone and the fortress will fall from a thousand cuts (pro-multiculturalism, immigration, pro-Israel, etc).

I hope it doesn't affect Canada too much.

Canada is the most USA dependent county in the world and if they go down the shitter, then so do we, big time. I always laugh when I hear Canadians go off on how they don't like the States and other anti-USA bullshit, it just doesn't make any sense, I can understand some criticism but some people take it too far, my dad for example, lives in the States for 6 months a year yet "can't stand those God damned Yankees!".

Canada is even more pro-multiculturalism (we invented that as official policy, didn't we?), immigration and, under Harper, very pro-Israel.

Canada is a very good country - the dream of American liberals. Even their politicians are decent. A conservative member of government there would be equivalent to a moderate Democrat in the US. Their conservatives make ours look like fascists.

You're right. Good relations with the US is important to both countries. They always treat me well at the border.

[Tail Gunner]

(12-24-2013 08:16 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

America does indeed, just like every other nation in the world, have several serious problems, and we should obviously discuss these issues, but this ultra libertarian view that some here share, that the world is going to be completely destroyed tomorrow, we are all doomed and the only way to return to this perfect world/society that never really existed but in that person's imagination is for us to burn and purge all society is a bit scary for me, it just looks too dark, oppressive and totalitarian.

I don't think that many people on this thread expect a Mad Max scenario. In my case, I expect the worst case scenario to be another Great Depression with possible brief spurts of rioting in the large cities when EBT cards fail to work.

I simply urge others to educate themselves, to think through some basic scenarios (and how they would react in them), and to make some basic preparations -- even if it is nothing more than opening an offshore bank account (so that you diversify cash in more than one jurisdiction) or buying a few ounces of gold (so that you can get cash if the banks are closed).

For example, how many people know that banks were closed after 9-11, but that precious metal dealerships were open? So, you could have sold gold at that time to get cash. What if banks were ever closed for a week or a month?

Just taking a handful of low-cost precautions can mean a world of difference in a worst case scenario.

[Cattle Rustler]

The fear mongering in regards to the west's "fall" has been around since WW II yet the West stands tall

[rastignac]

(12-23-2013 12:55 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 12:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Yeah, people in the red areas will be in a world of shit when the guvmint titty dries up. I will refer to it as natural selection. That has a nice ring to it.

It is actually the blue areas that take more from the federal government than they provide. The liberal voting areas, oddly enough, are (at a macroscopic level) the economic providers for the subsidized blue areas. A lot has been written about this.

[MrLemon]

I have only one response: America Sucks Less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwQAyskqG0g

[Teedub]

I posted this in the knowledge section, but samsamsam said it could be worth posting here. Basically, it's an extraordinarily good documentary that doesn't scaremonger but does intelligently explain the ills of the current fiat-money American system.

Basically, unless the system of 'socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor' crony corporatism gets destroyed, then America is beyond saving.

[RexImperator]

That documentary was quite thought provoking, but I also had the sense it was presenting a selective viewpoint through heavy editing and leaving a lot of important things out.

If we follow the thinking if the film, America needs a strong leader to reform the system and save it from itself. Someone like a Teddy Roosevelt or FDR. Those leaders also had strong social movements behind them which they used for support, which America seems lacking at the moment.

The current leadership seems unable or unwilling to fix anything, other than some tinkering around the margins for PR purposes.