[broken]

Aside from all the accusations of staging and actors, do you get anything from it?

I actually like Keys ot the VIP better, if we're talking pick up.

[speakeasy]

Assuming that it's not staged, I guess you could say it's inspirational that they could take a bunch of geeks and turn them into mack daddies in a few weeks time. Just shows it can be done if you put your mind to it. I wouldn't go using any of their routines as you're probably going to get called out on it and embarrassed. Neil Strauss even admitted in his book "The Game" that after a couple years, their canned routines no longer worked because women would cut them off and be like, "oh, I've heard the female opinion thing already."

[twigman]

Hi

I really enjoyed this book, which I got as an abridged audiobook, alot of fun listening to it in the car, and Strauss must have had a great deal of fun writing it.

I did learn from it about some of the personas on the scene and it helped me weed out some of the bullcrap that is so prevalent with teachers. I also found the book useful in differentiating between different schools of thought like Ross Jeffrey´s NLP and Strauss´s own ´master´ mystery. I found the explanation of approaches very interesting in my own game because I can see where approaches are coming from. Frankly some of this book is a bit far fetched but thats what makes it so readable.

I heard that recently Strauss has broken up with the girl he hooked up with at the end of the book, and as has returned to teaching PUA type stuff at the veyr high end of the market $5000 a cd type stuff.

[Trotter]

I don't care for what they teach in the Pickup Artist much and I looked down on most of it. Probably because I think I'm a little more advanced then that and think the techniques are somewhat lame to use. But I do see the value in using canned routines as a confidence builder if you're someone that has absolute trouble with approaching women. Also it's in a group setting and they're almost forced to do something which is a far cry from just sitting alone doing nothing.

I just think it's disenguine to some degree and yeah doing the pick up can be that, but just so much so to the point where they're being told to lie which is something I don't really agree with. I've seen parts of the last season and they never really made any attempt to break these guys of this lying circle they've been teaching them.

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(10-30-2008 09:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Assuming that it's not staged, I guess you could say it's inspirational that they could take a bunch of geeks and turn them into mack daddies in a few weeks time. Just shows it can be done if you put your mind to it. I wouldn't go using any of their routines as you're probably going to get called out on it and embarrassed. Neil Strauss even admitted in his book "The Game" that after a couple years, their canned routines no longer worked because women would cut them off and be like, "oh, I've heard the female opinion thing already."

The guy that won last time, was a fairly socially adjusted decent looking guy. He wasn't really the MMORPG player to Rock Star story that Neil was.

I think the one who pulled the stripper out of the club was probably the best example of pick up. (although I really wonder if that was staged)

And the bad rap that canned routines get, I totally don't believe it. I use canned stuff all the time, and it works for me.

Maybe you don't open a set with, "who lies more", but honestly, the fact that it's so popular means, you can ask it, wait to get "busted" by chicks who've seen the show and then follow up about the show.

I don't think cats that pan routines really understand the whole concept of pick up. That's a personal pet peeve though.

[X-Factor]

I'm not sure if anyone caught the irony of that book. I mean, Strauss admitted to becoming a vapid shell after Project Hollywood. But I think that lesson is lost on most.

Concerning VH1, I think the show is a good thing. And here is why.

I think there are a lot of guys out there that have no clue that a community exists. I found the community after googling Mystery's name b/c I didn't know who the frig this clown was. After a series of links, I found a seduction forum and realized that there are a bunch of guys out there that truly need help with their lives and self image. I've received tremendous insight from guys that I really respect, and have made some great dotcomrades. In turn, I've been able to help others through my own experiences.

So I think the show is good in that it will bring more guys into the community. Inevitably, these noobs will gravitate towards the self-proclaimed "gurus," but the bottom line is these noobs are now a part of the community. From there, they can decide which path they take.

Edit: I love Keys to the VIP. Watch the episode with Cajun and learn.

[speakeasy]

Hey Broken, what can openers have you had the best luck with?

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(11-05-2008 02:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Hey Broken, what can openers have you had the best luck with?

Absolute best?

Mutual eye contact and then talk. - Requires good observational skills, and good logistical planning. It helps if you're a regular/socially proofed @ the venue. I've gotten more action off of that, than anything else.

Usual M.O.

2. Eye contact and then dancing.
3. EC, walk, smile, hip bump, with "hey"
4. No EC, walk up, side to side, make situational statement, pause for reaction.

5. If you have a buddy, talk loudly to each other, then create a faux dispute, and then bring the female set into the convo.

I use canned material (personal stories edited for maximum punch) in the attraction/transition/comfort stages.

[Roosh]

Haven't tried the hip bump before...

[Trotter]

Yeah, the hip bumping has me curious. Sounds like it could be a good one.

[CleanSlate]

I've tried the hip bump a couple times a while back. I think it works better not used as an opener, but in the middle of an interaction when you're already dancing.