[Ken Angle]

Hey Roosh, I'm assuming this has been mentioned, but the way I reduce flaking is to only get a number from a girl whom I had a genuine good time with and am attracted to and want to see again.

This sounds obvious, but I think our insecure brain sometimes just wants the number and the date just to feel good about ourselves, and sometimes just wants to have sex with a girl even if we're not truly attracted to who she is as a person.

When a girl can see I'm actually interested in her for who she is, she won't flake.

Simple, but powerful. The problem is, most guys don't like taking this route, as the ego is a powerful thing. They'd rather find the cool trick, and not take the real answer. C'est la vie.

[eradicator]

(12-09-2013 11:50 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

How do I reduce flaking?

I make flaking irrelevant in my world, since I'm not putting myself into situations where flaking is a possibility. I reduce my variables. See here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28403.html

You've got to stop thinking in such a linear manner. So many guys have it hardwired in their brain that to get laid, you have to follow these steps: 1. Get the girls number -> 2. Set up a date -> 3. Go out on the date -> 4. Run "game" during the date -> 5. Bring her home -> 6. Make her comfortable -> 7. Ramp up sexual tension -> 8. Bang

In my world it goes like this: 1. Get a girls number -> 2. Invite her over -> 3. Bang

I'm eliminating variables that other guys are getting hung up on; they're like old school online shopping websites, where you have to create a new account and go through all these steps in order to buy the item you want. With that method, there are a lot of opportunities for the would-be customer to leave or take an undesired action. However, my game is like Amazon.com's "buy with 1 click" option. I provide an environment for the buyer to make an impulse decision. I reduce my variables = higher conversions.

Last week I number closed a girl on Tinder at 5pm. She came over at 930pm. By 1045pm we were banging. Why should it be more complicated than that? I didn't need to "build comfort" or "demonstrate my high value" to her. I made her horny and provided an outlet for her. If she didn't want to bang she wouldn't have come over. And if she didn't want to come over, then throwing more variables into the situation by taking her on a date certainly isn't a logical alternative.

I'd be willing to bet that half the girls that flake on guys just wanted to get banged out, but didn't want to go through all the motions and put in all that effort of going on a stupid date and talking about inconsequential shit for two hours. That's a big mental effort, even for someone that's horny. So instead they bail last minute and call their fuck buddy, or just stay home and masturbate.

Simplify your game, reduce your variables, and your flake rate will plummet.

Yikes, you are making too much sense. I might have to rethink things.

The only problem is I actually like going on dates. They are fun. But to think that I missed out on a lot of girls that are just looking to get banged because I was asking for dates, it is nuts.

[iknowexactly]

(12-09-2013 02:03 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Volume, volume, volume, volume.

If there's anything that being in the game teaches us it's that there's always more.

Think of flaking like gravity. It's an irresistible force, a constant and it affects us all. You can't get rid of it, but you can compensate for it. Rather than flapping our arms and hoping for a miracle, we should just build airplanes.

This is really smart. Girls are like air molecules. You want to fly. You can't control any single air molecule, you need to treat them as an aggregate.

This goes back to classical principles:

Roosh: "All game is numbers game."

The Late Xsplat: (Paraphrase) "No flower stays in bloom forever, but a garden can be established that is always in bloom"

...and to extend the excellent social engineering metaphor--Think how different airplane design is than chemistry.

BUT-- what is the hardest to obtain component of an airplane? Once the design is established, the POWER to run it-- the
powerful engine, the fuel to drive it.

(POWER = (Fame+ Youth+ Genetic Value+ Money)) .... whatever makes you stand out from others.

So in this metaphor, the "design of the airplane" is Game: applying the POWER that your inherent value gives you

So the overall model is (sea of chicks/air on which you fly) accessed by GAME(communicating your (POWER))

or

POWER--->shown by -->GAME-------> Chick Pool

GAME is the airplane design. A HULL to protect you ( indifference) , STEPS for you to get in (routines) , landing gear ( clothes, nice car, grooming, things to keep you moving until you're off the ground) ..... it's an excellent metaphor.

You don't let just anyone in the airplane, tickets are expensive.

[Ken Angle]

(12-09-2013 02:03 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Volume, volume, volume, volume.

If there's anything that being in the game teaches us it's that there's always more.

Think of flaking like gravity. It's an irresistible force, a constant and it affects us all. You can't get rid of it, but you can compensate for it. Rather than flapping our arms and hoping for a miracle, we should just build airplanes.

This is beginner's mindset. Flaking is not an irresistible force, unless girls are repelled by you.

What you have to learn is to get very good with the initial connection while staying as unattached as possible. When a girl sees that you are truly interested in her, but at the same time completely unattached to the outcome, that is when she'll put in effort to hang out with you.

[iknowexactly]

(12-10-2013 06:23 AM)Ken Angle Wrote:  

This is beginner's mindset. Flaking is not an irresistible force, unless girls are repelled by you.

What you have to learn is to get very good with the initial connection while staying as unattached as possible. When a girl sees that you are truly interested in her, but at the same time completely unattached to the outcome, that is when she'll put in effort to hang out with you.

Your idea of "interest without attachment" sounds very good in theory, but even women themselves don't know what they're going to do, so your claim that you do is kind of suspect.

Whatever you think of Roosh, his is not a beginner's mindset.

What Roosh, G, and other VERY experienced, non-beginners is noticing is the non-rational, random elements in female response.

Women don't have thoughts, they have reflexes. They're not rational actors which is what both makes them interesting to some degree as well as hard to manage.

Ken here with 24 posts may be a 6'5" a drop-dead gorgeous billionaire Kennedy model who thinks his great game is getting him perfect results; but what you're seeing is not a reasoned action but a reflex.

This may also be true for "Blurred Seven"s Amazon one-click model. If you stand out so much from others you can demand to be bought immediately, THEN it works. Once you're past 35....45....

[Shotgun Styles]

(12-10-2013 06:13 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 02:03 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Volume, volume, volume, volume.

If there's anything that being in the game teaches us it's that there's always more.

Think of flaking like gravity. It's an irresistible force, a constant and it affects us all. You can't get rid of it, but you can compensate for it. Rather than flapping our arms and hoping for a miracle, we should just build airplanes.

This is really smart. Girls are like air molecules. You want to fly. You can't control any single air molecule, you need to treat them as an aggregate.

This goes back to classical principles:

Roosh: "All game is numbers game."

The Late Xsplat: (Paraphrase) "No flower stays in bloom forever, but a garden can be established that is always in bloom"

...and to extend the excellent social engineering metaphor--Think how different airplane design is than chemistry.

BUT-- what is the hardest to obtain component of an airplane? Once the design is established, the POWER to run it-- the
powerful engine, the fuel to drive it.

(POWER = (Fame+ Youth+ Genetic Value+ Money)) .... whatever makes you stand out from others.

So in this metaphor, the "design of the airplane" is Game: applying the POWER that your inherent value gives you

So the overall model is (sea of chicks/air on which you fly) accessed by GAME(communicating your (POWER))

or

POWER--->shown by -->GAME-------> Chick Pool

GAME is the airplane design. A HULL to protect you ( indifference) , STEPS for you to get in (routines) , landing gear ( clothes, nice car, grooming, things to keep you moving until you're off the ground) ..... it's an excellent metaphor.

You don't let just anyone in the airplane, tickets are expensive.

I really don't have anything else to add. Excellent extension of the metaphor.

[WestCoast]

(12-08-2013 05:49 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Flaking as in... a girl gives you her number but it doesn't lead to a date. I guess technically that's not flaking.

To clarify do you mean making the initial interaction convert to a date or getting her to commit to a date?

For example: A) approach girl she gives number and you want that number to convert?
Or B) you get number and now looking for strategies for getting her to commit to a date?

Slightly different. But I believe you mean A) correct?

[horn]

1) Commonality
2) Comfort
3) Call
4) act Casual
5) don't Care if she doesn't show. If I'm already at the bar - so much the better.

[Distant Light]

(12-09-2013 12:34 PM)soup Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 05:38 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

I've found a way to end all that BS, it's more of a mindset than actual process...
1. I only interact face to face
2. I NEVER CALL CHICKS
3. I do not TEXT "back and forth" at all and use texting for logistical purposes
4. I give my number (and have her text me her name)
5. "Zero Fucks Are Given"...I simply live my life, she was given an opportunity it's her responsibility to take charge of her own life
6. I DO NOT DO DAY2s or DATES

Basically, I simply live my life and from time to time invite a chick to come along. The CONSISTENCY has been rather solid in the sense that usually within that month I see MAJORITY of the women. Reason I say a MONTH is because I've become very very flakey and barely invite people along anymore. Like, I already KNOW i'm going to be doing it up on whatever day I'm thinking of. It's not my job to try and persuade her or try to convince her. Not my issue if she passes up an opportunity, meanwhile Ima live it up!!

INVITE, INVITE, INVITE

Thing is lots of chicks started texting me out of the blue and more times than not, I've ATLEAST madeout with a chick. DISCLAIMER, this could potentially turn you into a flake because you don't care whether she comes out or not to the point that you don't even care to send an invite anymore since you will have another adventure anyway and meet new people.

Chicks can tell when I exchange numbers that I don't care to the point that I honestly might not ever send them an invite. I guess this compells them to NOT play games because whether they come or not would only be affecting them, I was already doing whatever it is I invited them too. Obviously as a chick gains status in my eyes I become more flexible "locking in" cool shit to do...AND, I just invite more people to come along. So instead of her and I going to dinner, it's her and 2 other girls I invited out.

P.S..Day2s and dates are the worst things ever, haven't been on a date in AGES. I don't even know if I even hungout with a chick 1 on 1 in 2013 :o

This is great.

Do you have them text you on the spot? Can you give an example of how this has gone down in the past?

Yes I have them text me their name on the spot. Although it's up to them to do it right then and there because...
A. I might be leaving right then and there
B. I might be chatting with someone else

How I view FLAKES is...
- Women are HUMAN they can fuckup and/or have their own issues
- Women are living their own life and just doesn't logistically suit her current situation
- Women have a wide range of CONSCIOUSNESS QUALITY in terms of TAKING CHARGE OF THEIR LIFE

Essentially a chick is being tested by me since she knows I have nothing to gain or lose my life will continue. Now it's up to her whether she will take responsibility for her social/sex life. Just because you don't go to six flags today DOES NOT MEAN six flags as a whole gives a shit, their will be more people still going having a blast on that day. While your doing whatever the fuck, people are still at six flags...So why play games with "six flags" either you want to go have fun or you don't.

EXAMPLES OF TEXTS









There is no such thing as "solid" interactions all that matters is YOU BEING FASCINATING and where she is at her life along with her ability to take charge of her own social/sex life. Most women are hanging out with men out of BOREDOM. After a month of staying home on the weekends, she decides "maybe I should hit up one of those guys who constantly texting me and wanting to go on a date."

With me however, they're is NO SUCH THING AS A DATE, who says she can even hookup with me? I don't even know if I want to mess with her or some other chick who peaked my interest.

Without dragging out too long, this vibe and process allows me to get #s in 30secs that result in the woman coming out the next night. (assuming I actually invite them since I tend to no longer bother much) Many times, I've seen certain chicks with guys and as the lights come on I just give them my number.

In a nutshell
- Texting back and forth = waste of time
- Trying to go on a date = waste of time

DISCLAIMER...
I might've stated it in my other post but I have become the one who is VERY FLAKEY. I'll go weeks without ever inviting a chick and then out of the blue either I invite her or she texts me wanting to meet/hookup.

A recent example, meet chick on tuesday, "lock-in" an adventure for saturday. Run into each other on wednesday BUT I am with friends so I don't hang with her. Saturday I flake because I don't feel like going out. We don't speak all week. Next saturday I invite her out, she goes elsewhere. I STICK TO WHERE I AM AT since I already wanted to do this. We meetup later in the night. I take her to 3 different spots. End up pulling a totally different girl.

[Merenguero]

(12-10-2013 06:23 AM)Ken Angle Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 02:03 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Volume, volume, volume, volume.

If there's anything that being in the game teaches us it's that there's always more.

Think of flaking like gravity. It's an irresistible force, a constant and it affects us all. You can't get rid of it, but you can compensate for it. Rather than flapping our arms and hoping for a miracle, we should just build airplanes.

This is beginner's mindset. Flaking is not an irresistible force, unless girls are repelled by you.

This statement is really inaccurate. I can't imagine why this guy was banned.

[soup]

(12-11-2013 08:55 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 12:34 PM)soup Wrote:  

(12-09-2013 05:38 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

I've found a way to end all that BS, it's more of a mindset than actual process...
1. I only interact face to face
2. I NEVER CALL CHICKS
3. I do not TEXT "back and forth" at all and use texting for logistical purposes
4. I give my number (and have her text me her name)
5. "Zero Fucks Are Given"...I simply live my life, she was given an opportunity it's her responsibility to take charge of her own life
6. I DO NOT DO DAY2s or DATES

Basically, I simply live my life and from time to time invite a chick to come along. The CONSISTENCY has been rather solid in the sense that usually within that month I see MAJORITY of the women. Reason I say a MONTH is because I've become very very flakey and barely invite people along anymore. Like, I already KNOW i'm going to be doing it up on whatever day I'm thinking of. It's not my job to try and persuade her or try to convince her. Not my issue if she passes up an opportunity, meanwhile Ima live it up!!

INVITE, INVITE, INVITE

Thing is lots of chicks started texting me out of the blue and more times than not, I've ATLEAST madeout with a chick. DISCLAIMER, this could potentially turn you into a flake because you don't care whether she comes out or not to the point that you don't even care to send an invite anymore since you will have another adventure anyway and meet new people.

Chicks can tell when I exchange numbers that I don't care to the point that I honestly might not ever send them an invite. I guess this compells them to NOT play games because whether they come or not would only be affecting them, I was already doing whatever it is I invited them too. Obviously as a chick gains status in my eyes I become more flexible "locking in" cool shit to do...AND, I just invite more people to come along. So instead of her and I going to dinner, it's her and 2 other girls I invited out.

P.S..Day2s and dates are the worst things ever, haven't been on a date in AGES. I don't even know if I even hungout with a chick 1 on 1 in 2013 :o

This is great.

Do you have them text you on the spot? Can you give an example of how this has gone down in the past?

Yes I have them text me their name on the spot. Although it's up to them to do it right then and there because...
A. I might be leaving right then and there
B. I might be chatting with someone else

How I view FLAKES is...
- Women are HUMAN they can fuckup and/or have their own issues
- Women are living their own life and just doesn't logistically suit her current situation
- Women have a wide range of CONSCIOUSNESS QUALITY in terms of TAKING CHARGE OF THEIR LIFE

Essentially a chick is being tested by me since she knows I have nothing to gain or lose my life will continue. Now it's up to her whether she will take responsibility for her social/sex life. Just because you don't go to six flags today DOES NOT MEAN six flags as a whole gives a shit, their will be more people still going having a blast on that day. While your doing whatever the fuck, people are still at six flags...So why play games with "six flags" either you want to go have fun or you don't.

EXAMPLES OF TEXTS









There is no such thing as "solid" interactions all that matters is YOU BEING FASCINATING and where she is at her life along with her ability to take charge of her own social/sex life. Most women are hanging out with men out of BOREDOM. After a month of staying home on the weekends, she decides "maybe I should hit up one of those guys who constantly texting me and wanting to go on a date."

With me however, they're is NO SUCH THING AS A DATE, who says she can even hookup with me? I don't even know if I want to mess with her or some other chick who peaked my interest.

Without dragging out too long, this vibe and process allows me to get #s in 30secs that result in the woman coming out the next night. (assuming I actually invite them since I tend to no longer bother much) Many times, I've seen certain chicks with guys and as the lights come on I just give them my number.

In a nutshell
- Texting back and forth = waste of time
- Trying to go on a date = waste of time

DISCLAIMER...
I might've stated it in my other post but I have become the one who is VERY FLAKEY. I'll go weeks without ever inviting a chick and then out of the blue either I invite her or she texts me wanting to meet/hookup.

A recent example, meet chick on tuesday, "lock-in" an adventure for saturday. Run into each other on wednesday BUT I am with friends so I don't hang with her. Saturday I flake because I don't feel like going out. We don't speak all week. Next saturday I invite her out, she goes elsewhere. I STICK TO WHERE I AM AT since I already wanted to do this. We meetup later in the night. I take her to 3 different spots. End up pulling a totally different girl.

It's funny, because I've totally been taking advantage of the girls who don't want to go out and party on the weekend: "maybe I should hit up one of those guys who constantly texting me and wanting to go on a date."

So maybe while you are taking them out one weekend rah-rah, I'm inviting them for quiet night indoors.

Would be funny if we were talking to the same girls. Doubt it though because NYC is vast.

[Distant Light]

^^^ Hahaha that would be funny...

I simply invite them into my life instead of SETTING UP something exclusively for them 1 on 1. In my mind, it's not that serious she was just a random who peaked my interest and potentially might be a girl I'd want to have in my life whether a platonic friend or friend who I fool around with. I just happen to love partying. Generally the "other" stuff consist of...
- Hanging at their place whether it be to eat, watch netflix, and/or smoke (I don't actually smoke BUT I've tried it a few times)
- If my friends have a improv show I'll bring them along
- I used to have a friend who was a chef so every 2 weeks he'd host a dinner party at his place based on "working class" cuisines (It was also amazing that he lived in a loft with an actual non working elevator in his living room that you could stand in)
- Karaoke at like 6-7pm
- HOOKUP before I go to party or in the middle of the night (this is REALLY GOOD on weekdays)

Thing is, I'm rarely out in the day since I know I'm generally gonna be out at night