[Matt3B]

That last line ended me.

[Citlalli]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14130-...#pid271002

Lol@this one too, I don't care if these are real or not, they are an amazing benchmark of what the perfect approach could be

[dog24]

(11-29-2013 07:04 AM)RedPillMind Wrote:  

I think i know what's making me doubt it all. Despite the (alleged) positive outcome i think this is a classic case of too much cocky asshole game. Now, I certainly subscribe to the if in doubt err on the side of too alpha/cocky funny but i really think you went too far and simply got very very lucky.

Some of the text exchanges come across as very try-hard and over compensating somehow.

I have done exactly what redpillmind describes here many times.
Not trying to be a hater, and i dont doubt your story, but im surprised at how you didnt get any resistance whatsoever or even shit tested once

(11-28-2013 03:04 PM)Mon Wrote:  

HER: What u have in mind

ME: Look at the time you know exactly what i have in mind

HER: Ur saying sex is how i make it up to u?

Most girls ive tried this approach with have done one of the following, stop responding, said im not like that, im not looking for a ONS, you are joking right?, many more variations at least trying to appear as a good girl.
Also the only girl that has ever dropped the word sex first in a convo was a prostitute from online dating.

Care to break down how/why you didnt get those responses?

[Timoteo]

Maybe this is a combination of luck, and/or him simply having a feeling about who he was dealing with and felt confident about coming at her this way.

[Mon]

(11-29-2013 03:09 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

p.s.

Quote:

We greeted with a hug, I slowly twirled her around to check her out with a judgmental eye, then we walked to my car. Talked horny-talk... lot of it NLP-like patterns because I automatically do that, since I've been a practitioner for so long;

I'm also interested in this part - how long did the walk last? What did you talk about?

The walk to my car took no time... maybe three minutes. The NLP-ish stuff didn't start 'til we were in the car.
On the way to the car, we just talk regular talk. I remember saying something about being safe from criminals because, in her heels, she'd be the one they caught running as I got away.

(11-29-2013 06:09 AM)houston Wrote:  

I don't believe your story.

I'm perfectly fine with that. Although, I'm interested to know what it is you find so unbelievable.
Was it that a bitch who wanted any excuse to fuck me actually fucked me?
Was it that I truly consider myself the prize, as opposed to the psychobabble about it... thus, my interactions with this bitch was an uncut display of, "You & your pussy will be a non-thought to me if you're not ready to meet my demands, NOW. Not hearing from me, ever again will be the most regretful missed-fuck of your life"... is that the unbelievable part???
If not either of those, then what? What, specifically, do you find unbelievable?
I truly, TRULY wanna know.

(11-29-2013 07:04 AM)RedPillMind Wrote:  

EDIT:

I think i know what's making me doubt it all. Despite the (alleged) positive outcome i think this is a classic case of too much cocky asshole game. Now, I certainly subscribe to the if in doubt err on the side of too alpha/cocky funny but i really think you went too far and simply got very very lucky.

Some of the text exchanges come across as very try-hard and over compensating somehow. I know in person you can get away with being verbally very asshole-like and the most important thing is how you say it all...still though...there's very few guys who can successfully pull off that level of asshole.

Explain, specifically, how was it "too much." I FUCKED HER. Seems it was the right amount.
Understand that this chick was originally VERY rude & bitchy. I'd written her off. When she started in with the multiple apologies & pretty much begging me to "hang out" with her so she can "make it up" to me, I immediately decided that I would turn off all filters with her. Did I do it "wrong?" Was I supposed to watch what I say to an asshole-bitch??? Fuck that; I don't follow that protocol.
If she didn't fuck me because of that, I wouldn't have given a fuck. Thing is... she did fuck me.
I TRULY consider myself the prize in any interaction with a chick; more so with one who was a punch-in-the-face worthy bitch in the beginning, and then started essentially begging me to fuck her.
Understand that I DID NOT CARE, ONE BIT, IF SHE HAD A NEGATIVE RESPONSE TO ANYTHING THAT I SAID. My pussy-options are too abundant & reliable for that. She behaved herself out of more cordiality than that.
A bitch should be walking on eggshells when choosing her words with you, because she knows that your absence in her life will render it totally unfulfilled & unfulfilling... not the other way around. The frame should always be that she has to have you, while you can take it or leave it. He/she who wins the frame-game wins the game.
She was hyper-responsive and I kept going. If I was out to fuck you, RedPillMind, and sent you those texts, maybe your perception of the texts as "try hard" & "overcompensation" would matter, would have turned you off, and would have resulted in you NOT sucking-n-fucking me.
But since these things are case-/bitch-specific, the texts I sent her were just right; hence, the suck-n-fuck.
Do I normally go that unfiltered??? Not necessarily so much. Again, keep in mind that once she re-opened me, going on & on about "making it up to me," after she displayed fucked up behavior in the beginning, the gloves came off.
You wrote, "there's very few guys who can successfully pull off that level of asshole." Well, you're interacting with one of those guys now, at least where this chick is concerned.
Glad to meet you. Hope this turns into a long-term, fulfilling learning experience for the both of us.

(11-29-2013 11:55 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

Care to break down how/why you didnt get those responses?

Because I'm not you, and this wasn't one of those bitches with whom you interacted... plus a combination of a million other variables, with billions of permutations.

[Plutoman]

(11-29-2013 03:09 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I'll admit that this sounds a little "too good to be true". Not completely impossible, but with alarms going off.

That said, each piece of the reaction/conversation you posted is exactly how it should be done no matter how unlikely it is to work exactly in this way, so I'll give the benefit of doubt here and just say:

Those were also my thoughts; I think what clicks weirdly is the style in which he's described it.

It reminds me dramatically of all the ol' PUA adverts in how you tell the story; and the style in which you describe accomplishments comes across as very much a braggart - ie, "look at me I'm the shit".

That said, congratulations for it. There's a few lines that were certainly pushing boundaries but with a proper frame set (as it seems to have been - with her chasing you) they pushed boundaries in the right ways.

[Mon]

(11-29-2013 01:22 PM)Plutoman Wrote:  

It reminds me dramatically of all the ol' PUA adverts in how you tell the story; and the style in which you describe accomplishments comes across as very much a braggart - ie, "look at me I'm the shit".

That said, congratulations for it. There's a few lines that were certainly pushing boundaries but with a proper frame set (as it seems to have been - with her chasing you) they pushed boundaries in the right ways.

In all honesty Plutoman, by definition, it was "braggart." We don't post this shit for the sake of modesty.
In addition to providing a map/model of how a fuck came to be, telling one another about sticking our dicks in one or more of a chick's orifices is at least "braggart-ish."

I'm curious: in what "style" would you have comminicated this story, given the info that I provided???

[Giovonny]

(11-28-2013 03:04 PM)Mon Wrote:  

NLP-like patterns

Please share some examples of these patterns?

Thanks

[OGNorCal707]

(11-29-2013 06:09 AM)houston Wrote:  

I don't believe your story.

I side with Houston for once, as much as I am digging Mon's posts and feel like he may be the real deal, reading this story I couldn't wrap my head around how it sounds too good to be true.

I've had my share of easy lays, but nothing this easy, this has got to be one of the easy lay I've ever read about from start to finish, especially considering it wasn't a sloppy drunk chick from a bar. I really don't see how game even comes into play, the only way this is really plausible to me is if Mon is some how famous, or if he is a male 10.

Surely famous guys get easy pussy thrown at them like this, and guys who fit the female ideal of perfection (height, looks, build, etc) might, but otherwise I feel like it's a bit of a stretch to think a chick would go from carving something on a table at Starbucks, to begging a guy to take her number, to practically begging him to fuck her.

I am not the best looking guy in the world, nor do I have the best game, but I have never heard of a guy getting pussy this easy. Or maybe I should specify and say I've never heard of a guy getting quality pussy this easy, unless she's a nasty troll that we'd rate a 3/10.

More power to you if this is a real story, I wish I could harness your level of chi, because obviously you got some next level "sorcerer" game going down.

Shit, I feel like the more I read this forum, the more depressed I get, like half the guys are tripping and falling balls deep into pussy. Or pussy is just falling out of the sky and landing directly on their cocks. I'm not trying to be a hater, but even my easy lays required a decent bit of work.

[Plutoman]

(11-29-2013 01:44 PM)Mon Wrote:  

In all honesty Plutoman, by definition, it was "braggart." We don't post this shit for the sake of modesty.
In addition to providing a map/model of how a fuck came to be, telling one another about sticking our dicks in one or more of a chick's orifices is at least "braggart-ish."

I'm curious: in what "style" would you have comminicated this story, given the info that I provided???

This is not criticism of you, so please take that into consideration; I'm merely being observational. I'm not entirely sure of how to communicate it as a different perspective; it just comes across less of "here's lessons I'm sharing" and more of "I got my bang, please keep up". It could be our mentalities in posting - I try to focus more on posts that teach lessons instead of showing examples (the exception being the player's log; in which I post my quick little success stories there). Maybe your thoughts are to show examples first and foremost. I'm not sure.

I'd love to be more detailed, maybe it's involved with the too good to be true trope that a few other members have mentioned. I am simply mentioning my gut instinct on the story. It's not personal nor critical.

[Mon]

(11-29-2013 01:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 03:04 PM)Mon Wrote:  

NLP-like patterns

Please share some examples of these patterns?

Thanks

What I do generally involves the "Milton Model" of NLP. This was based on Richard Bandler's, John Grinder's, Robert Dilts's & Judith Delozier's in-depth study of Milton Erickson & his seeming "miraculous" feats of healing with therapeutic hypnosis. Some of the primary tools for which he was best known were pacing, leading, utilization, and embedded commands & questions.
I also play around with submodalities & anchors.
I usually get a chick to play little "mind games"... the type of shit that fun, adventurous chicks generally like to do.

Keep in mind that this shit works along the same principle as salivating when you think about sucking a lemon, crying when listening to a really sad story, having a "wet dream," and bitches becoming orgasmic while reading Fifty Shades of Grey. It's the mind focusing inwardly, turning mental pictures or words from a narrative into real, physical sensations.

Always bear the following quotes in mind when considering this stuff:
"Research suggests another way that women's brains are different than men's when it comes to sex: women can 'think themselves off'--induce orgasm without any physical stimulation." ~ Barry Komisaruk, Ph.D. from his research entitled, Pleasures of the Brain: Neural Bases of Sensory Pleasure.
and...

"We have documented in our laboratory that women can have orgasms from imagery alone without touching their body." from The Science of Orgasm by Barry Komisaruk, Carlos Beyer-Flores, & Beverly Whipple
APPLYING THE ABOVE KNOWLEDGE/PRINCIPLES WILL HAVE THEM BOWING BEFORE YOU. You're the one guiding her through the type of experience no other man has even considered.

So one example of what I did with this chick, and many others, after I noticed her using lots of phrases like, "I see what you're saying" & "...painted a clear picture..." was to play around with her primarily visual thinking and synesthesia (where neurological stimulation of one sensory pathway leads to experience in a second sensory pathway... the most commonly known being seeing certain numbers and/or letters in specific colors). The predominance of those kinds of led me to realize she was more a visual person than the other "representaion systems" (auditory, kinesthetic, etc.) of NLP.

THIS MAY BE LONG, BUT YOU ASKED FOR IT.

We'd already talked a bit, established commonalities, talked about why I left the Midwest to move to Cali, etc., etc., etc.
Also,I'm writing in ways that I would speak it. Run-on sentences are VERY common in "conversationally hypnotic" language patterns, as you are not addressing the "logical mind."
The ellipses represent my pauses. I "bold" some of the obvious embedded commands, where I may slightly change my voice tone and/or volume.

So as we talked I turned on the radio and some wack ass rap shit came on that she said she loves.
I asked if she likes to dance and she said, "Yes."
ME: "Show me."
HER: "What? No"
ME: "Show me. Pretend I'm not here."
HER: (Laughing) "No... I can't pretend you're not here, because I know you're here. Plus, we're in a car; there's no room to show you how I dance."
ME: "Why not? You must be the type to go into full twerk-mode."
HER: (Laughing) "Maybe. Show me how you dance."

I grabbed her hand and started doing some stupid-dance shit in the front seat.
As she laughed I said:
ME: "So let's see your moves."
HER: "No."
ME: "So I can tell by the words you use and the direction that your eyes move when you talk that you're a really visual person. You think a lot in terms of colors and brightness...stuff like that. Am I wrong?
HER: "You're right. How'd you know that?"
ME: "I told you."
HER: "Yeah... but how'd you know that by looking at my eyes?"

I went on to tell her that I was at "a workshop" once and we learned that visual people move their eyes in ways that predominantly auditory people don't. Blah, blah, blah. That's when she told me that she's in school for graphic arts. She's also a painter.
I told her that I want to show her something "really cool" that I learned in the "workshop." Wanted to show her how the pictures in her head can be turned into feelings in her body.
HOW COULD A 20-YEAR OLD ARTSY CHICK REFUSE?!?!?!

ME: "Ok, so you gotta do everything that I say. Got it?"
HER: "Yes"
ME: "Sit up & close your eyes."
She did.
ME: "I get the feeling that you're the type who meditates, yes?"
HER: "Yes; I meditate everyday"
ME: "Perfect. You're perfect for what we're about to do."
HER: (giggle)
ME: "In a minute, not now, but when I tell you, I want you to imagine there's a circle underneath you that is as wide as your outstretched arms. Do that now and only wiggle your left index finger when you have it.
She did
ME: Excellent. Now when I tell you to... not yet, but when I tell you to, take a deep breath and as you inhale, let your awareness fill that circle. When you exhale, let that awareness contract to as small a point as possible in the center of your chest. After six cycles of this, take a really, really deep breath, making sure to fill that circle with your awareness, then exhale forcefully (I demonstrated) and allow that breath to sweep away all tension, nervousness and anything contrary to you being able to fully relax... now...start breathing

As she went through the first few breaths, I coached her with, "deeeep breath in, see your awareness fill the circle. Exhale, bring all that awareness to a super small point.."
On the last breath I said, "Exhale and all that remains is relaxation."
ME: "Wiggle your left index finger to let me know you're fully relaxed."
She did.
ME: "Excellent. Now... I want you to remember a time when you felt real...pleasure. This could be the pleasure of eating some crazy-sweet dessert, that heart-warming feeling in your chest when you hear an inspiring or romantic story, or that feeling in your body... you know the one... the one where the neighbors call the cops because you're screaming and moaning so loudly... the one where you rip the sheets off the bed. You know the one."
Her face seemed to start turning red (sorta dimly lit) as she smiled.
ME: "Good. That's the one we'll use. Now what I want you to do is see everything you saw, as if it were a movie screen in your mind. See the colors; notice any motion; notice the quality of the light; notice the quality of the colors; notice what things are near or far (So on & so forth). When you have that full, visual, clear picture...wiggle your left index finger."
After maybe 30 seconds of sitting there with her face reddening and smiling, she wiggled the finger.
ME: "Perfect. Visualizing really gets you to go back to that moment, I see. Let's add some detail so that you can feel even more pleasure now remember what you heard. Hear everything you heard as you continue to see everything you saw. The more you see what you saw, the more you notice any sounds and silence that you heard. Notice what sounds are loud... what sounds are quiet. What tones are there? Notice the rhythms notice any voices now as you remember all the sounds.. all the silences... all the background sounds that you notice now and as you are transported to that moment... seeing all the sights... hearing all the sounds, wiggle your left index finger to let me know when you see and hear it all."
After about 30 seconds of sitting, smiling and making little quiet, "mmm" sounds, the finger moved.
ME: "Excellent. Now as you remember those sights... remember those sounds, you are now going to remember everything you felt at that time. Remember what position your body was in. If you were moving, remember how you were moving, or maybe you were still. Remember the temperature of the air on your skin, fill the weight of your body as you stand there or lie there or sit there or whatever you were doing. Allow your body to feel how you were breathing... feel your heartbeat... feel it all as you see everything you saw, hear everything you heard as you feel everything you felt."
She started shifting in her seat and her breath rate changed. I could see her eyes going crazy under her eyelids.
ME: "When you are there, fully immersed in that moment of pleasure... seeing everything you saw... hearing everything you heard... feeling all those feelings in your body... now just wiggle your left index finger and let me know."
She was smiling a closed, mouth smile, from ear to ear, making quiet moaning sounds, breathing more heavily, and doing a lot of shifting in her seat. After doing this for 20 - 30 seconds, she wiggled her finger. I then anchored that pleasure by saying:
ME: "Now you are feeling that pleasure" (grabbed her arm lightly behind the elbow with my index finger, middle finger, & thumb.
HER: "Mmm hmm."
ME: "Now as you feel that pleasure (elbow anchor again) notice where in your body that wonderful feeling begins. When you notice where that pleasure (anchor)... begins, point to it."
She pointed to her solar plexus area.
ME: "Excellent. Now notice the kind of feeling it is. Is it tingling, vibrating, pressure... tell me the kind of feeling."
HER: (in a quiet, "trancy" voice) "Pulsating. Definitely pulsating."
ME: "Good. Does it have a noticeable temperature?"
HER: "Really, really warm. Not hot, but really warm."
ME: "If this pulsating, really warm feeling... right here (touched the area she pointed to; she gasped) had a color, what color would it be?"
HER: (after about 5 - 7 seconds) "Like lightning... like that blue-ish color when you see a still photo of lightning"
ME: "Excellent. Now a lot of people don't know this, but you're about to learn that for a state... a feeling in your body to maintain over time, it has to move... it has to cycle. So notice how this pulsating, really warm, lightning blue-ish feeling right...here (touched again; she gasped a really quiet "sex-ish" sound) moves. The best way to get this is for you to put your hand over it, and in honest, unconscious movements--without consciously thinking about it--allow your hand to move in the direction of this pulsating... really warm... lightning blue-ish feeling."
She moved it back & forth, from right to left."
ME: "Now take where this pulsating, really warm, lightning-blue-ish feeling begins, loop it around your body so it touches end to end. When you've done that, wiggle your left index finger to let me know.
She wiggled the finger.
ME: "Perfect. Now... begin to move it faster & faster around your body and notice how you feel even more pleasure (fired the elbow anchor). You feel that?"
HER: "Mmm hmmm."
I coached her through this for maybe a minute or so. Guiding her to move it "faster & faster" as she felt "more & more...deep, deep...pleasure."
ME: "Now, I want you to stop the movement and put the feeling back where it belongs.... right... here (touched) her. When you've done that, wiggle your left index finger and let me know."
She moved the finger.
ME: "Now on the count of three I want you to open your eyes, still feeling this (touched her) wonderful feeling. Still feeling this pleasure (elbow anchor) and realizing that as long as you feel this (touch solar plexus area) pulsating, really warm, lightning blue-ish feeling... as long as you feel this pleasure (elbow anchor)... you want to feel it more & more.
So on the count of three, open your eyes and look at me. 1... still feeling that feeling, 2... still feeling... pleasure (elbow anchor), 3... open your eyes wanting to feel those feelings more & more."

She opened her eyes and took a DEEP breath, saying, "OH MY GOD...that was soooo trippy."
ME: "You like it?"
HER: "OH MY GOD, YES!!!"
She cupped her hands over her face, moved her hands and said, with a sincerely puzzled look on her face:
HER: "What the fuck was that?"
Then we both laughed REALLY hard:
ME: "Have you noticed that you still feel it... how you want to feel it even more."
HER: "I do still feel it. That's so crazy."
ME: "I wanna show you something else... how I can make it feel even better. How I can take this feeling... right... here (touched solar plexus area; she moaned) and this... pleasure (elbow anchor; she moaned again & shifted in her seat. I said, "that's right")... how I can make it feel even better now, you ready??
HER: "Ok"
ME: "You gotta ask me for it."
HER: (laughing) "Can you please make it feel better?"
ME: "Good girl. At the count of three, I want you to close your eyes. When you do, you'll feel ten times more relaxed than before, which means you will feel ten times more pleasure because you know that the more you do as I say and obey my commands, the more you get to feel pleasure (elbow anchor; verbal and physical reaction).
1, 2, 3. Close your eyes. Ten times deeper... ten times more pleasure. Right?
HER: "Mmm hmm"
ME: "Good. So now that you know that this feeling (touch solar plexus) can move, I'm gonna show you that I can move it to wherever I want it to move in your body and make you feel... pleasure (elbow anchor; visible response) anywhere in your body that I want you to feel... pleasure (no elbow anchor; still the verbal & physical reaction because simply hearing my voice say the word gives her the feeling[s]). I can intensify it and make you feel it deeper, deeper, and even deeper.
So I'm gonna touch you lightly, right... here (touched solar plexus area) and as you listen to my voice notice how the more you hear my voice, the better this feels... the more you deeply you feel this pulsating, really warm, lightning blue-ish feeling pentrating your body... going deeper, deeper, and even deeper. Notice as I move my hand, you begin to feel this feeling moving to wherever I move my hand now as you feel it penetrating deeper... intensifying.

FUCK, I didn't realize I'd typed this much. Fuck this word-for-word shit. I hope that's enough.
I pretty much touched her everywhere, moving the sensations wherever I wanted.
Told her to turn the feeling into a symbol (she chose a pulsating, very warm, lightning blue-ish deer). Then told her that once I removed my handfrom her body (it was over her heart at the time), I was going to take the feeling(s) away from her body in the form of her deer that I could hold in my hand. SHE BEGGED TO HAVE IT BACK. I did a swallowing motion and told her the only way to get the pleasure back was through my tongue putting it back through her left nipple.
By then, she was putty in my hands. Licked the nipple and "gave her the pleasure back." She clutched the back of my head & neck.
Did more fractionation (hypnosis jargon for bringing her out of "trance" then putting her back in). Subjects seem to go deeper each time you bring'em out & put'em back in.
I moved the sensations around her thighs and to her pussy, which by then had soaked through the back of her dress.
Moved it up to her lips and left it there. Told her that anything she does with her lips, while she's with me, will result in "deeper... and deeper... and even deeper... pleasure."

I brought her out, "still feeling those feelings that you love to feel... which makes you want to feel them more... and more."
She started rubbing my dick, kissing all over my neck, and decided that a blowjob was the perfect way to feel more pleasure.

[Mon]

(11-29-2013 02:23 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 06:09 AM)houston Wrote:  

I don't believe your story.

I side with Houston for once, as much as I am digging Mon's posts and feel like he may be the real deal, reading this story I couldn't wrap my head around how it sounds too good to be true.

I've had my share of easy lays, but nothing this easy, this has got to be one of the easy lay I've ever read about from start to finish, especially considering it wasn't a sloppy drunk chick from a bar. I really don't see how game even comes into play, the only way this is really plausible to me is if Mon is some how famous, or if he is a male 10.

Surely famous guys get easy pussy thrown at them like this, and guys who fit the female ideal of perfection (height, looks, build, etc) might, but otherwise I feel like it's a bit of a stretch to think a chick would go from carving something on a table at Starbucks, to begging a guy to take her number, to practically begging him to fuck her.

I am not the best looking guy in the world, nor do I have the best game, but I have never heard of a guy getting pussy this easy. Or maybe I should specify and say I've never heard of a guy getting quality pussy this easy, unless she's a nasty troll that we'd rate a 3/10.

More power to you if this is a real story, I wish I could harness your level of chi, because obviously you got some next level "sorcerer" game going down.

Shit, I feel like the more I read this forum, the more depressed I get, like half the guys are tripping and falling balls deep into pussy. Or pussy is just falling out of the sky and landing directly on their cocks. I'm not trying to be a hater, but even my easy lays required a decent bit of work.

I do admit, that this was one of the easiest... one of the lowest effort fucks I have EVER encountered.

Shit turns out that way sometimes. Fuck bitches are going to fuck who they want to fuck, without getting in their own way.
I bumped into one. The right variables lined up at the right time.

Nymphomaniac maybe??? I don't know. After her initial Super-Bitch routines she went into total surrender mode. I took advantage of it

[bojangles]

that's some interesting shit

[void]

(11-29-2013 06:05 PM)Mon Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 03:04 PM)Mon Wrote:  

NLP-like patterns

Please share some examples of these patterns?

Thanks

What I do generally involves the "Milton Model" of NLP. This was based on Richard Bandler's, John Grinder's, Robert Dilts's & Judith Delozier's in-depth study of Milton Erickson & his seeming "miraculous" feats of healing with therapeutic hypnosis. Some of the primary tools for which he was best known were pacing, leading, utilization, and embedded commands & questions.
I also play around with submodalities & anchors.
I usually get a chick to play little "mind games"... the type of shit that fun, adventurous chicks generally like to do.

Keep in mind that this shit works along the same principle as salivating when you think about sucking a lemon, crying when listening to a really sad story, having a "wet dream," and bitches becoming orgasmic while reading Fifty Shades of Grey. It's the mind focusing inwardly, turning mental pictures or words from a narrative into real, physical sensations.

Always bear the following quotes in mind when considering this stuff:
"Research suggests another way that women's brains are different than men's when it comes to sex: women can 'think themselves off'--induce orgasm without any physical stimulation." ~ Barry Komisaruk, Ph.D. from his research entitled, Pleasures of the Brain: Neural Bases of Sensory Pleasure.
and...

"We have documented in our laboratory that women can have orgasms from imagery alone without touching their body." from The Science of Orgasm by Barry Komisaruk, Carlos Beyer-Flores, & Beverly Whipple
APPLYING THE ABOVE KNOWLEDGE/PRINCIPLES WILL HAVE THEM BOWING BEFORE YOU. You're the one guiding her through the type of experience no other man has even considered.

So one example of what I did with this chick, and many others, after I noticed her using lots of phrases like, "I see what you're saying" & "...painted a clear picture..." was to play around with her primarily visual thinking and synesthesia (where neurological stimulation of one sensory pathway leads to experience in a second sensory pathway... the most commonly known being seeing certain numbers and/or letters in specific colors). The predominance of those kinds of led me to realize she was more a visual person than the other "representaion systems" (auditory, kinesthetic, etc.) of NLP.

THIS MAY BE LONG, BUT YOU ASKED FOR IT.

We'd already talked a bit, established commonalities, talked about why I left the Midwest to move to Cali, etc., etc., etc.
Also,I'm writing in ways that I would speak it. Run-on sentences are VERY common in "conversationally hypnotic" language patterns, as you are not addressing the "logical mind."
The ellipses represent my pauses. I "bold" some of the obvious embedded commands, where I may slightly change my voice tone and/or volume.

So as we talked I turned on the radio and some wack ass rap shit came on that she said she loves.
I asked if she likes to dance and she said, "Yes."
ME: "Show me."
HER: "What? No"
ME: "Show me. Pretend I'm not here."
HER: (Laughing) "No... I can't pretend you're not here, because I know you're here. Plus, we're in a car; there's no room to show you how I dance."
ME: "Why not? You must be the type to go into full twerk-mode."
HER: (Laughing) "Maybe. Show me how you dance."

I grabbed her hand and started doing some stupid-dance shit in the front seat.
As she laughed I said:
ME: "So let's see your moves."
HER: "No."
ME: "So I can tell by the words you use and the direction that your eyes move when you talk that you're a really visual person. You think a lot in terms of colors and brightness...stuff like that. Am I wrong?
HER: "You're right. How'd you know that?"
ME: "I told you."
HER: "Yeah... but how'd you know that by looking at my eyes?"

I went on to tell her that I was at "a workshop" once and we learned that visual people move their eyes in ways that predominantly auditory people don't. Blah, blah, blah. That's when she told me that she's in school for graphic arts. She's also a painter.
I told her that I want to show her something "really cool" that I learned in the "workshop." Wanted to show her how the pictures in her head can be turned into feelings in her body.
HOW COULD A 20-YEAR OLD ARTSY CHICK REFUSE?!?!?!

ME: "Ok, so you gotta do everything that I say. Got it?"
HER: "Yes"
ME: "Sit up & close your eyes."
She did.
ME: "I get the feeling that you're the type who meditates, yes?"
HER: "Yes; I meditate everyday"
ME: "Perfect. You're perfect for what we're about to do."
HER: (giggle)
ME: "In a minute, not now, but when I tell you, I want you to imagine there's a circle underneath you that is as wide as your outstretched arms. Do that now and only wiggle your left index finger when you have it.
She did
ME: Excellent. Now when I tell you to... not yet, but when I tell you to, take a deep breath and as you inhale, let your awareness fill that circle. When you exhale, let that awareness contract to as small a point as possible in the center of your chest. After six cycles of this, take a really, really deep breath, making sure to fill that circle with your awareness, then exhale forcefully (I demonstrated) and allow that breath to sweep away all tension, nervousness and anything contrary to you being able to fully relax... now...start breathing

As she went through the first few breaths, I coached her with, "deeeep breath in, see your awareness fill the circle. Exhale, bring all that awareness to a super small point.."
On the last breath I said, "Exhale and all that remains is relaxation."
ME: "Wiggle your left index finger to let me know you're fully relaxed."
She did.
ME: "Excellent. Now... I want you to remember a time when you felt real...pleasure. This could be the pleasure of eating some crazy-sweet dessert, that heart-warming feeling in your chest when you hear an inspiring or romantic story, or that feeling in your body... you know the one... the one where the neighbors call the cops because you're screaming and moaning so loudly... the one where you rip the sheets off the bed. You know the one."
Her face seemed to start turning red (sorta dimly lit) as she smiled.
ME: "Good. That's the one we'll use. Now what I want you to do is see everything you saw, as if it were a movie screen in your mind. See the colors; notice any motion; notice the quality of the light; notice the quality of the colors; notice what things are near or far (So on & so forth). When you have that full, visual, clear picture...wiggle your left index finger."
After maybe 30 seconds of sitting there with her face reddening and smiling, she wiggled the finger.
ME: "Perfect. Visualizing really gets you to go back to that moment, I see. Let's add some detail so that you can feel even more pleasure now remember what you heard. Hear everything you heard as you continue to see everything you saw. The more you see what you saw, the more you notice any sounds and silence that you heard. Notice what sounds are loud... what sounds are quiet. What tones are there? Notice the rhythms notice any voices now as you remember all the sounds.. all the silences... all the background sounds that you notice now and as you are transported to that moment... seeing all the sights... hearing all the sounds, wiggle your left index finger to let me know when you see and hear it all."
After about 30 seconds of sitting, smiling and making little quiet, "mmm" sounds, the finger moved.
ME: "Excellent. Now as you remember those sights... remember those sounds, you are now going to remember everything you felt at that time. Remember what position your body was in. If you were moving, remember how you were moving, or maybe you were still. Remember the temperature of the air on your skin, fill the weight of your body as you stand there or lie there or sit there or whatever you were doing. Allow your body to feel how you were breathing... feel your heartbeat... feel it all as you see everything you saw, hear everything you heard as you feel everything you felt."
She started shifting in her seat and her breath rate changed. I could see her eyes going crazy under her eyelids.
ME: "When you are there, fully immersed in that moment of pleasure... seeing everything you saw... hearing everything you heard... feeling all those feelings in your body... now just wiggle your left index finger and let me know."
She was smiling a closed, mouth smile, from ear to ear, making quiet moaning sounds, breathing more heavily, and doing a lot of shifting in her seat. After doing this for 20 - 30 seconds, she wiggled her finger. I then anchored that pleasure by saying:
ME: "Now you are feeling that pleasure" (grabbed her arm lightly behind the elbow with my index finger, middle finger, & thumb.
HER: "Mmm hmm."
ME: "Now as you feel that pleasure (elbow anchor again) notice where in your body that wonderful feeling begins. When you notice where that pleasure (anchor)... begins, point to it."
She pointed to her solar plexus area.
ME: "Excellent. Now notice the kind of feeling it is. Is it tingling, vibrating, pressure... tell me the kind of feeling."
HER: (in a quiet, "trancy" voice) "Pulsating. Definitely pulsating."
ME: "Good. Does it have a noticeable temperature?"
HER: "Really, really warm. Not hot, but really warm."
ME: "If this pulsating, really warm feeling... right here (touched the area she pointed to; she gasped) had a color, what color would it be?"
HER: (after about 5 - 7 seconds) "Like lightning... like that blue-ish color when you see a still photo of lightning"
ME: "Excellent. Now a lot of people don't know this, but you're about to learn that for a state... a feeling in your body to maintain over time, it has to move... it has to cycle. So notice how this pulsating, really warm, lightning blue-ish feeling right...here (touched again; she gasped a really quiet "sex-ish" sound) moves. The best way to get this is for you to put your hand over it, and in honest, unconscious movements--without consciously thinking about it--allow your hand to move in the direction of this pulsating... really warm... lightning blue-ish feeling."
She moved it back & forth, from right to left."
ME: "Now take where this pulsating, really warm, lightning-blue-ish feeling begins, loop it around your body so it touches end to end. When you've done that, wiggle your left index finger to let me know.
She wiggled the finger.
ME: "Perfect. Now... begin to move it faster & faster around your body and notice how you feel even more pleasure (fired the elbow anchor). You feel that?"
HER: "Mmm hmmm."
I coached her through this for maybe a minute or so. Guiding her to move it "faster & faster" as she felt "more & more...deep, deep...pleasure."
ME: "Now, I want you to stop the movement and put the feeling back where it belongs.... right... here (touched) her. When you've done that, wiggle your left index finger and let me know."
She moved the finger.
ME: "Now on the count of three I want you to open your eyes, still feeling this (touched her) wonderful feeling. Still feeling this pleasure (elbow anchor) and realizing that as long as you feel this (touch solar plexus area) pulsating, really warm, lightning blue-ish feeling... as long as you feel this pleasure (elbow anchor)... you want to feel it more & more.
So on the count of three, open your eyes and look at me. 1... still feeling that feeling, 2... still feeling... pleasure (elbow anchor), 3... open your eyes wanting to feel those feelings more & more."

She opened her eyes and took a DEEP breath, saying, "OH MY GOD...that was soooo trippy."
ME: "You like it?"
HER: "OH MY GOD, YES!!!"
She cupped her hands over her face, moved her hands and said, with a sincerely puzzled look on her face:
HER: "What the fuck was that?"
Then we both laughed REALLY hard:
ME: "Have you noticed that you still feel it... how you want to feel it even more."
HER: "I do still feel it. That's so crazy."
ME: "I wanna show you something else... how I can make it feel even better. How I can take this feeling... right... here (touched solar plexus area; she moaned) and this... pleasure (elbow anchor; she moaned again & shifted in her seat. I said, "that's right")... how I can make it feel even better now, you ready??
HER: "Ok"
ME: "You gotta ask me for it."
HER: (laughing) "Can you please make it feel better?"
ME: "Good girl. At the count of three, I want you to close your eyes. When you do, you'll feel ten times more relaxed than before, which means you will feel ten times more pleasure because you know that the more you do as I say and obey my commands, the more you get to feel pleasure (elbow anchor; verbal and physical reaction).
1, 2, 3. Close your eyes. Ten times deeper... ten times more pleasure. Right?
HER: "Mmm hmm"
ME: "Good. So now that you know that this feeling (touch solar plexus) can move, I'm gonna show you that I can move it to wherever I want it to move in your body and make you feel... pleasure (elbow anchor; visible response) anywhere in your body that I want you to feel... pleasure (no elbow anchor; still the verbal & physical reaction because simply hearing my voice say the word gives her the feeling[s]). I can intensify it and make you feel it deeper, deeper, and even deeper.
So I'm gonna touch you lightly, right... here (touched solar plexus area) and as you listen to my voice notice how the more you hear my voice, the better this feels... the more you deeply you feel this pulsating, really warm, lightning blue-ish feeling pentrating your body... going deeper, deeper, and even deeper. Notice as I move my hand, you begin to feel this feeling moving to wherever I move my hand now as you feel it penetrating deeper... intensifying.

FUCK, I didn't realize I'd typed this much. Fuck this word-for-word shit. I hope that's enough.
I pretty much touched her everywhere, moving the sensations wherever I wanted.
Told her to turn the feeling into a symbol (she chose a pulsating, very warm, lightning blue-ish deer). Then told her that once I removed my handfrom her body (it was over her heart at the time), I was going to take the feeling(s) away from her body in the form of her deer that I could hold in my hand. SHE BEGGED TO HAVE IT BACK. I did a swallowing motion and told her the only way to get the pleasure back was through my tongue putting it back through her left nipple.
By then, she was putty in my hands. Licked the nipple and "gave her the pleasure back." She clutched the back of my head & neck.
Did more fractionation (hypnosis jargon for bringing her out of "trance" then putting her back in). Subjects seem to go deeper each time you bring'em out & put'em back in.
I moved the sensations around her thighs and to her pussy, which by then had soaked through the back of her dress.
Moved it up to her lips and left it there. Told her that anything she does with her lips, while she's with me, will result in "deeper... and deeper... and even deeper... pleasure."

I brought her out, "still feeling those feelings that you love to feel... which makes you want to feel them more... and more."
She started rubbing my dick, kissing all over my neck, and decided that a blowjob was the perfect way to feel more pleasure.

I heard some of those patterns on a hypnosis CD, actually in a different language than English. I guess there is a language specific element in hypnosis and NLP?
What is the uniting element of someone doing stuff like this and a good story teller, they take a girl on a mental journey.

[Valhalla]

NLP is so difficult to apply in real life like this

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This NLP stuff sounds ridiculous, contrived and completely unnatural, and I say that as someone who reads palms and is quite popular for it (so I'm already knee-deep in cold reading mumbo-jumbo).

That said, it's not me who is the target here, but a girl who is already overcome with excitement at doing something "forbidden" and "mysterious" with a dominant stranger. I can easily see it working on her (and most women) even if I have to stop myself from cackling hysterically while reading it. All in all, good stuff.

[Mon]

(11-30-2013 08:43 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

This NLP stuff sounds ridiculous, contrived and completely unnatural, and I say that as someone who reads palms and is quite popular for it (so I'm already knee-deep in cold reading mumbo-jumbo).

That said, it's not me who is the target here, but a girl who is already overcome with excitement at doing something "forbidden" and "mysterious" with a dominant stranger. I can easily see it working on her (and most women) even if I have to stop myself from cackling hysterically while reading it. All in all, good stuff.

Conversational hypnosis/Milton Model NLP has ALWAYS sounded ridiculous to me also... believe me.
The wonderful thing about it is, THAT DOES NOT MATTER.
You do certain things, certain other things happen as a result.
This is pretty much how hypnosis & the mind works. Fuck logic. That's how the unconscious mind works... Being responsive to "ridiculous" shit.

I find it no more ridiculous than women soaking their panties while reading ridiculous, contrived romance novels.
We KNOW this happens.

This type of shit works often... QUITE often. I've been practicing NLP & hypnosis (certified as hypnotherapist) and the non-ridiculous & contrived is what wouldn't work, unless you're trying to convey intellectual information.

[Mon]

(11-30-2013 08:13 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  

NLP is so difficult to apply in real life like this

Actually... it's not, really.
I usually don't start with this kind of stuff until we're alone. Or when I generally have her UNDIVIDED attention.

Bitches LOVE this kinda shit. These are the same people who buy crystals by the tons because they think certain archangels are related to the crystal.
These are the same people who SWEAR that Sylvia Browne & Uri Geller are REAL "psychics" with "supernatural, god-given" powers.
And you think they won't love this shit... which DOES in fact work???

[Wahawahwah]

NLP is not ridiculous mumbo jumbo. It just takes an incredible amount of effort and persistence to master.

Just as working out, earning millions, mastering the piano, being able to code well, succeeding in business, being able to dance,paint, play the guitar.

Beyond a level of certain level of proficiency, it becomes second nature and is easy.

All of these are but different tools in a seducer's toolbox.

And it works on men too, once you master it. Look at all the famous godmen, self proclaimed apostles, palm readers, folks dabbling in religious "healing".

I'm curious, Mon, were you able to talk to this chick afterwards? Your first post led me to think she has serious abandonment issues and/or has no real friends

[Mon]

(11-30-2013 10:40 AM)Sharkie Wrote:  

NLP is not ridiculous mumbo jumbo. It just takes an incredible amount of effort and persistence to master.

Just as working out, earning millions, mastering the piano, being able to code well, succeeding in business, being able to dance,paint, play the guitar.

Beyond a level of certain level of proficiency, it becomes second nature and is easy.

All of these are but different tools in a seducer's toolbox.

And it works on men too, once you master it. Look at all the famous godmen, self proclaimed apostles, palm readers, folks dabbling in religious "healing".

I'm curious, Mon, were you able to talk to this chick afterwards? Your first post led me to think she has serious abandonment issues and/or has no real friends

I agree. I've been practicing NLP, Neuro-semantics, & hypnosis EVERY DAY since 2005. It works EXCEPTIONALLY well... On both women & men, as you've said.
It is pretty much a second-nature thing for me.

Being a practitioner, I spot this shit being used, EFFECTIVELY, all around me... especially in political campaigns.

The human brain is a hypnosis machine, always slipping into this or that trance-state throughout the day. The mind was MADE to be persuaded by this or that il-logic. Hence, TV commercials, religion, & my two $1500 Gucci track jackets (no better quality than my $60 Adidas track jackets).

If you aren't a real... REAL practitioner of these skill-sets, then yes, the results may seem "unreal" to you... just as so-called "game" theories, principles, & techniques may seem "unreal" (counter-intuitive) to those not "in the know."

I CREATE SLAVE-BITCHES WITH THIS SHIT!!! I got bitches having orgasms on command. I can touch certain anchor-spots on a chick and have her BEGGING to be fucked.

To the nay-sayers: become PROFICIENT at the shit, then talk to me. The body-mind works this way.

Yeah, I've talked to her since. She seems more mentally & emotionally stable since the original interaction. Multiple, explosive orgasms will do that to a bitch. We'll see.
She wants me to come to her place & feed me tomorrow (raised in Guatemala, so she has no problem getting in the kitchen).
SHE'S BEGGING FOR MORE OF THAT "RIDICULOUS, CONTRIVED" SHIT.
They ALWAYS do.

[soup]

Wow that sounds cool. Can you make data sheet on nlp?

[Sumanguru]

It's a lay with a chick who he met CARVING GRAFFITI INTO A TABLE IN A PUBLIC PLACE. Crazy is crazy. Good work, it's the confidence and tight game she never sees from the normal orbiting betas that made her extra wet, but not really that mind blowing, crazy chicks really are kind of an easy lay. All the bi-polar/manic/whatever chicks I went out on dates with were always either first date lays or they were giving me the obvious "let's go" signals. I can believe it.

[Feo]

Don't know why this seems unbelievable to some of you guys. Look at the dynamic..young artsy Mexican chick..wealthy older dude..anonymous environment to allow her to fall into what she already wanted to do. Pretty textbook if you ask me.

I like the shared apartment with you and your colleague...sounds like a good idea.

[Barada22]

Who cares if it is real or fake? If anyone gets anything positive out of it it's worth reading.