[thegmanifesto]

(11-26-2013 05:18 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 04:11 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Maybe you are right.

But are people really that stupid?

Who gets some Groceries and says "Mission Accomplished"?

I mean, you still have to cook the sh*t, right?

Well, maybe not "mission accomplished", but there are people who get overly exited about a number, thinking it means much more than it actually does, and as a result, don't put much effort into gaming new prospects. They think "number = interest = DTF", which is often not the case. Another example (one I recently met a few weeks ago) are guys who go mainly for numbers in a club instead of bangs that same night, whilst counting their success by how many names they have on their phone by the end of the night, despite the fact that numbers recieved from a drunken girl at a bar with a hundred other guys chasing her who likely won't even remember the conversation you had (much less your name) is even more likely to lead to a dead end. This is what I think most guys are thinking when they say "numbers are worthless". This admittedly mainly applies to newbies than to guys with more experience.

I mean that just blows my mind.

That is like walking into a boxing ring and saying "Mission Accomplished" and not realizing you actually have to fight.

Are kids really drinking that much Soy Milk, and listening to that much Drake?

(11-26-2013 05:22 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  

I could totally see tinder working great in miami for a surfer or male model(or at least a guy who could pass for one).

My point is there is no point.

By the time I figure out how to download it, I could have walked down the street and talked to 3 girls.

Plus, I am a unique case, since no photographs exist of me anymore.

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Volume of leads isn't the issue here.

It's managing the pipeline and scheduling.

[WestCoast]

^ yeah you have to realize people live in different worlds

People recommend this because most guys have no idea wtf they are doing and have to reprogram themselves into being aggressive. Always Be Closing is literally the reverse of what people are being taught today. People are being taught to pedestalize.

Anyway, hotwheels is right, it's basically forcing people to change the mindset and assume the bitch will flake. That is why we say "numbers are worthless" we are saying push push push until you get a hard no then revert to calling her later.

Name of the game these days. Close close close or get blown the fuck out.

Numbers are best from day game or logistical nightmare nightlife situation where you two just have schedules that don't mesh get cockblocked etc.

Average idiot gets the phone number and ends the interaction, so he gets blown out of course.

[Merenguero]

(11-26-2013 06:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Plus, I am a unique case, since no photographs exist of me anymore.

Although they are not technically photographs, you might be seen in some fight videos of some Executioner/Alien guy on youtube.

The only photographs that exist of me are my driver's license photo, my passport photo, and one other picture I used to use for publicity. Nothing else.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-26-2013 06:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ yeah you have to realize people live in different worlds

People recommend this because most guys have no idea wtf they are doing and have to reprogram themselves into being aggressive. Always Be Closing is literally the reverse of what people are being taught today. People are being taught to pedestalize.

See that blows my mind.

No wonder people don't get what I talk about on here.

When did this happen?

Was I smoking weed and surfing perfect waves while the whole male race was turning to sh*t?

Hell, sometimes I think I should have stayed in the Norte Baja badlands.

And then people wouldn't really get me.

(Not like Machado knows what up, but I used to like this track as a young pup).

Thoughts on this?

[Ensam]

(11-27-2013 04:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Thoughts on this?

Actually I think surfing is a pretty good parable for game. Good waves and hot chicks are both limitless and hotly contested.

You have to be aggressive. If you're not aggressive you're never going to catch a wave. You also have to have skills, if you consistently flub waves and miss dropins dudes are going to stop respecting your aggression. You also have to learn how to check your aggression at times and respect other dudes who are trying to get theirs. Finally, no particular wave matters that much, another one is always coming (but there are going to be dudes competing for that one too so you better stay sharp).

It also taught me some good lessons on how to ease into a hostile environment.

[pointbreak]

Old school Taylor Steele baby. Respect, G.

And let me guess: k48 and San Miguel?

[thegmanifesto]

(11-27-2013 12:17 PM)pointbreak Wrote:  

Old school Taylor Steele baby. Respect, G.

And let me guess: k48 and San Miguel?

Now Gerlach knows what's up.

Need to stop watching surf vids.

Love how so many spots in Norte Baja aren't even on youtube.

Still to this day minimal info out there. Love that.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(11-25-2013 07:12 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

"4. Acute screening ability (I have a unique ability to read people and energy)."

^^^You articulated what I was thinking.

I have a 6th sense in reading girls who are DTF etc. I'm not sure where it comes from , besides having spent thousands of hours in the nightlife scene and watching interactions play out.

Some cats will think my numbers are crazy, but go to the club 3x a week for YEARS and see how your game improves.

Knowledge is great, but the experience is what takes you to another level.

If a guy plays guitar for 10,000+ hrs, odds are he's going to make it look effortless.

True Indeed. 0 substitute of EXPERIENCE...but even experience means NOTHING without the proper application

[pointbreak]

True story. There's a nice peak right off the calafia towers. Gets real heavy with a big Nw.
I'll try to post a few pics

[thegmanifesto]

(11-27-2013 05:02 PM)pointbreak Wrote:  

True story. There's a nice peak right off the calafia towers. Gets real heavy with a big Nw.
I'll try to post a few pics

Keep it on the low brother!

Yeah, that whole stretch between Roso and Ensenada is a wonderland. So many spots. Tons of secret spots.

My friends and I named at least 10 spots that I don't think anyone knows.

The whole vibe down there is Outlaw. I used to have a crib down there when I was a young pup.

Hell, this spot is right over the border:



Mid week, off shores, you and 2 buddies all to the head.

Can't beat that.

I still think back to that part of my life with joy.

[CJ]

They're not worthless, but you should still push as hard as you can the first night and see how far you can get, because you really never know if that number will lead to a second interaction, if you've yet to bang.

[birdrussell]

Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I run a lot highr number with #'s I'f I'm inside a chich chances are I've got her # in my phone. there are glaring exceptions to that rule but by and large thats the case.

[bacan]

I have a lot of numbers based on 5-10 minute interactions that seem pretty worthless...

Plus even with an interested girl, I get tired of the routine of trying to get girls out on dates, meet for drinks, bla bla.
If you don't have great logistics, dating can be majorly time consuming, expensive, boring and frustrating.

[Akula]

Lately I've been experiencing a decent amount of instances where I have ok to good rapport with a woman and after say 20-30 minutes of conversation/banter I go to number close and they are willing to give me the number but mention that they have a boyfriend.

(In this case she was with her friend who was visiting out of town and staying with her, otherwise I would have tried to extract but that seemed like a very slim chance of happening).

When this happens I assume it's because of a few things:

1) (obviously) I've not built up quite enough attraction; and
2) she is literally on the fence with me - or not all that interested; or...
3) maybe she really does have a boyfriend (and her receptiveness to my kino, clear intent etc. was merely her using me for validation)

None of the above are good for me. So what I've been doing in these situations is simply saying something like "nah, I don't want to have you as a friend I'm attracted to you as a women, etc." and then decline and say bye have a good evening etc.

This accomplishes two things: 1) does't waste my time as I have other, better opportunities and 2) doesn't validate her by having me take the number and then texting her - only for her to be either wishy-washy or non-committal and for me to waste even more time when I should be working other avenues;

I'll admit my behavior here might change if she's an 8+ (i.e. I take the number anyway) but last night I did it to a 'high 7" and when she told me she had a boyfriend at the end when I went for the number close.

Wondering what people think about this - am I missing some value here or am I right in thinking "move on to better things" and keep on keeping' on? In the past when I think about it I have wasted a lot of time in these marginal situations before and frankly I'd rather be out and about meeting (and thinking) about other girls.

And frankly I'd rather not given these girls any more validation than they are already getting 24-7 via Facebook, OK Cupid, Tinder etc. So I guess in a sense this is as much me thinking about metagame / the greater good etc. in some ways too. Not that I'm a hero doing this, as I do I get some satisfaction over declining numbers too (not much) and feel I'm doing the right thing and saving myself some time and effort as well.

tl;dr is it a pretty worthless number when they say they have a boyfriend?

[Kieran]

Damn, McQueen's game must be sick! Looking forward to seeing him on that tv programme.

Here in UK I do take numbers when ONS isn't happening, because often it seems like a good idea at the time. But in the cold light of day, I can almost never be bothered to call them. I don't enjoy dates (boring), and would rather just go out with the lads again and approach new girls. If I'm struggling later on in the bar/club, then I'll sometimes send out a group text saying something like 'out tonight?', and see if anyone responds. Had occasional success with this.

In BKK I will take numbers and follow them up if the girl is pretty. I still push for venue change for food away from friends if they are in a group, and then ONS if I can though (Interestingly, I've found that a lot of Thai girls will ONS in front of their best friend no problem, just not in groups).