[soup]

We talk a lot about evolutionary psychology and nature and not fucking around with things that have taken millions of years to evolve (like the relationship between man and woman).

I think that Homosapien's stand-out intelligence can be a double edged sword. Some people believe that in the future, we will be able to alter everything we see around us. I think this this raises the stakes for everything. There could be a greater risk of us fucking things up, or we could possibly break through to a "higher" (for lack of a better word) level of existence.

What are our odds of successfully reducing suffering and increasing joy for the world?

Will our near-future technology really be able compete with the complexity of eons of evolution?

This video shows how nature works in ways that we are presently incapable of predicting.

Let this be a warning to all those who want to tamper with how men and women have interacted since way before the dawn of history..

[Sawyer]

I live in a wolf reintroduction state. The people I know who fight for wolves are the same people who fight for same-sex marriage and destruction of local homegrown culture (which for a hundred years had decided that wolves were bad for their livelihood (livestock)). And which for a hundred years had maintained the local cultural climate of decency which drew the pro-wolf crowd here in the first place, away from the hell holes they had created.

Those who fight for wolves are wolves themselves to Western human tradition. College educated to their full bloom of hatred for the patriarchy, the wolf is merely their latest raison d'etre. Like wolves, they gnaw and leave half-eaten the lambs of prior generations -- the meal is secondary to the pleasure of killing.

It's a profound dichotomy. While decrying most the depredations of human expansion they wish the destruction of the mores that attempted to limit the depredations of the most dangerous animal of all. Us. They themselves were driven from their homes by the same putrid philosophies that find their new home with support of the wolf.

Humans could make a paradise out of a garbage dump with the right set of values. Unfortunately they are values contrary to the ascendancy of the wolf, or its human benefactors.

Like the wolf creates its habitat when unleashed from human predation, so will the human attempt again to create its paradise when unleashed from wolf predation.

Conclusion: there is no way that humans will be educated out of their nature. They will be fooled for a while. But eventually they will reclaim their apex predator status and destroy the wolves among them. And God help Yellowstone and any other piece of planet earth when it happens. Equilibrium is in the eye of the beholder, and whatever the politics of the predator who wins, eventually it will be sought, and fought, among the apex.

[soup]

Interesting post. Just because the people fighting for the wolves to be reintroduced are assholes.. Does that take away from what happens when the wolves get reintroduced like in the video? It sucks if the wolves are going to attack their livestock, but have there been any technological innovations that have occurred that would prevent that?

Anyway I posted that vid because I think it's an analogy for how we need to recognize that there are natural systems. I see our redpill thing as similar to letting the wolves back in nature. We are the wolves in that analogy- men and masculinity are on the defensive right now in some ways it seems. Yet, there are important functions that masculinity plays to maintain a healthy society. The redpill is about releasing truth back into society.

[Vroom]

Nature is like water.

It finds it's own level, and any disturbance will create a ripple effect.