[Neo]

A lot of hate for cops in this thread.

Training BJJ/MMA I've trained with and gotten to know several cops. They're regular people just like you and me.

It's a mixed bag. You have some who are power hungry and abuse their power. Is it right? No. But it's also human nature. Listen to some stories and see some of the shit they have to deal with, then you'll understand why many act the way they do.

When I was younger I also had the 'fuck the police' attitude. You tend to grow out of it. Avoid trouble and if you encounter the police show them respect, and 9 times out of 10 they'll leave you alone. Trust me if you hate them, it will show when you get pulled over or encounter them. Of course if you're doing something blatantly illegal you're fucked no matter what, then just keep your mouth shut. Otherwise you can work your way out of the 'gray areas.'

I have a blank driving record, yet have been pulled over several times in the past few years. Twice, the officer let me go with a warning despite going 20+ mph over the limit. Every other time the tickets were thrown out in court. All I did was be courteous, act respectfully, and apologize.

Acting like a 'tough guy alpha' around the police is the stupidest thing people do.

[Seadog]

I think the community policing thing is the way to go, I would honestly love it, but that is a long long way off, and it all stems from the conflict of interest that exists in the police force at a fundamental level. I honestly don't trust police, and want nothing to do with them. Like others, I know if I'm courteous and polite, play their game, and will most likely walk away in the best shape possible. If I had a friend doing something stupid, I wish if I could refer him to the police, and know that maybe he'd get a scare, but he wouldn't be fucked for life for getting a record over a joint. However, after myself and friends having dealt with several cops, I just go out of my way to avoid them now. Its a no win situation. The likely and best case scenario is that nothing bad happens. The worst case, is you get fucked for something trumped up you didn't do. At best you break ever, worst case you get fucked. A loser's game in the long run.

The other thing is a lot of the stuff that's illegal I disagree with. A lot of drug laws for instance, and speeding. The 401 in Ontario, the limit is 100, people do 140. This guy got ticketed for speeding, so he blocked off traffic by following the speed limit. (interesting read) http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/678348/posts but got ticketed again for obstructing traffic.

Basically this creates a system where the law becomes arbitrary. Which defeats the whole purpose of laws in the first place. Particularly with things like speeding and substance abuse, many scientists say that speed is less of a factor than things like distraction (texting is more dangerous than being drunk, yet the penalties don't reflect that). Take Germany where some high ways have no limits. Or that weed is less dangerous than alcohol. Look no further to the failed US war on drugs, or addiction rates that are steady regardless of consequences or spending. Like so many other things the solution lay in education, yet governments, addicted to the cash these fines provide, adopt a religion like blindness towards science and the evidence.

Therein lay the problem with police. They are there allegedly 'to protect and serve the public' but on the other hand, they need to serve their masters, gov't officials and DAs trying to get convictions. This creates a huge conflict of interest. Are you here to help and serve me as per your mantra? Or are you trying to showoff for your puppeteers by fucking me by hook or crook? Therein lay my mistrust. The kid getting into drugs. Do you try and set him right and act as a role model? Teach him a better way? Or do you please your bosses by fucking him with the long dick of the law. Giving him a criminal record, heaps of lawyer fees, maybe jail time, hopefully he gets kicked out of school, effectively ensuring he can never have a normal successful life.

[Sonsowey]

Police in the USA, as bad as they are, are SO much better than police in Latin America.

This isn't a revelation or anything but if you have spent time in Latin America you know police are just out looking for a bribe most of the time.

Has anyone ever bribed a cop in the U.S. here? I feel like if I attempted to do so, I would face risk of arrest.

I have had many run-ins with the police where I was not doing anything illegal, or was at worst speeding. Never have things gotten out of hand, never have I felt pressured to give a bribe, never have I felt in danger from them.

One time I was "taken down to the station" for nothing, and after them wasting about 3 hours of my time, I was released. Not ideal but jesus, if you're "taken down to the station" in Latin America...

Just my experience though, I know many people do have rotten run ins with the cops and I'm not excusing it, but spend a little time in Mexico and tell me how you like America's cops.

[Carlos100]

I've had run-ins with police, both in Japan and the US, who I thought acted like pricks, and I've encountered police who I thought were extremely professional and competent. I've found that a lot of American police, contrary to their UK counterparts, don't appear to be willing or able to diffuse or resolve a situation through effective communication, which makes some situations worse and contributes to police misconduct cases and unnecessary arrests.

I understand that there is some (valid) criticism of Western higher education in the Manosphere, but I feel that US police should be required to have a college degree. Then, their departments should pay them higher salaries. The extra education would, I believe, give them better communication and problem solving skills. The extra costs incurred by their municipalities in paying them more would be offset by not having to pay as many court judgements over police brutality or misconduct lawsuits.

[zaqan]

In an ideal world, there would just be a sheriff in every county who came to collect the dead bodies or captured criminals, and then file the necessary charges.

But until we get there, I think we want the police on our side. How hilarious would it be if police started investigating and charging feminists, SJWs, and other leftists. They want government, they want police involvement, well they can have it.

[Cattle Rustler]

I wonder what happens if you drop the clutch (downshift) next to the when they're out of their car.......