[Luckystar]

@ L'etranger: Nice score, dude. I would definitely impregnate her.

[oldnemesis]

(03-15-2011 12:27 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

So much for my Russian lessons...
I think I'll wait for summertime and head straight to Odessa and completely skip Kiev.

Kiev is fine with Russian only, note we're talking about Lviv. And dou'd probably skip Lviv anyway.

[oldnemesis]

(03-15-2011 04:41 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

Just arrived in Lviv today and im enjoying myself 3x more. Withstanding the fact everything is cheaper. I actually had trouble finding a nice flat for an OK price in Kiev. In Lviv they are everywhere and located in really nice historic houses.

Make sure the condition is ok, and that you have water available 24/7. A few years ago this was only possible in very few districts. Seem to be better now, but still worth checking.

And the taxi prices went up. I think I spent over $100 on cabs in just four days.

[oldnemesis]

(03-15-2011 05:09 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

According to these guys, every girl is trying to get something tangible, not just some good times.

That's the part of the culture. Going there with Western mentality, expecting to spend zero on a girl to check whether she likes you or your money will likely bring you nowhere. This does not mean you should buy expensive jewelry - you may just buy her a $3 pair of sunglasses from a street vendor, but if you're not even buying drinks, you'll likely waste all your time.

[K-man]

(03-15-2011 05:09 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

According to these guys, every girl is trying to get something tangible, not just some good times.

Yeah, no shit. If she's just looking for "good times" she would hook up with some 19-yo boy from her university cross-country skiing team - he'll have a six-pack and will pump her for hours. And will speak her language.
These girls make just a few hundred a month if they even have jobs - if not, that's what their parents make, and they live off them. It is totally expected and not frowned upon that a girl should be looking for a man to support her, or at least buy her drinks or dinner.

[Luckystar]

(03-16-2011 07:41 AM)K-man Wrote:  

It is totally expected and not frowned upon that a girl should be looking for a man to support her, or at least buy her drinks or dinner.

I definitely frown upon it if it manipulative, which is often the case. Russian girls have a reputation for being cold blooded and gold diggers. From my experience, it is well earned.

It is not easy to know if a Russian girl really likes you. There's often a vibe of paid contingency that makes for a P4P feel. It would be a complete turnoff if they weren't arguably the best looking women in the world.

[K-man]

(03-16-2011 10:05 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 07:41 AM)K-man Wrote:  

It is totally expected and not frowned upon that a girl should be looking for a man to support her, or at least buy her drinks or dinner.

I definitely frown upon it if it manipulative.

Well you may frown upon it, because you are used to a girl being able to earn her own living. But in Ukraine (and lots of other countries) this is often not possible due to the low standard of living. So what's a girl to do?

[Brian]

what is 'face control'?

[emh]

(03-17-2011 08:49 AM)Brian Wrote:  

what is 'face control'?

Read this link:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...%20control

[oldnemesis]

(03-17-2011 08:49 AM)Brian Wrote:  

what is 'face control'?

In ex-USSR it is mostly dress code enforcement. Some clubs also use it for "private parties".

[oldnemesis]

(03-16-2011 10:05 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

I definitely frown upon it if it manipulative, which is often the case. Russian girls have a reputation for being cold blooded and gold diggers. From my experience, it is well earned.

Well, it depends. On this trip I met a group of young backpackers from Canada and US, who spoke some Russian. Never mentioned having any problems with the girls, not a single one complained about the girls being gold diggers.

On the other side, you have a fat, bald and arrogant Western dude in his forties, who wants to hang out with a Russian, Thai, Colombian chick in her twenties. Now, this is possible, but it should be taken for granted that young beautiful chicks are not interested in fat dudes of her father's age who don't even speak the language unless the money is involved, or at least considered.

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It is not easy to know if a Russian girl really likes you.

No, it is quite easy. There is a thing which is called "the mirror". You look there, then look on her. At this moment it should be easy for every mature man to understand whether she likes you, or your money.

And somehow it is always Western dudes who have problems with that. Even Western chicks who go to Jamaica for their share of young Rasta cocks are open enough to admit that Rasta is not really attracted to her, but to $100 bills she has.

[Luckystar]

(03-17-2011 09:43 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

On the other side, you have a fat, bald and arrogant Western dude in his forties, who wants to hang out with a Russian, Thai, Colombian chick in her twenties. Now, this is possible, but it should be taken for granted that young beautiful chicks are not interested in fat dudes of her father's age who don't even speak the language unless the money is involved, or at least considered.

True, it takes two to tango.

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It is not easy to know if a Russian girl really likes you.

No, it is quite easy. There is a thing which is called "the mirror". You look there, then look on her. At this moment it should be easy for every mature man to understand whether she likes you, or your money.

Again, true. Looks and money are the driving factors, so it should make things easy. I think in my case, I never quite bought into their sincerity. Although I am a very good looking guy, I never really felt as though I was their 'type'. I think the racism I experienced there clouded my judgement.

[ManAbout]

(03-17-2011 09:43 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

On the other side, you have a fat, bald and arrogant Western dude in his forties, who wants to hang out with a Russian, Thai, Colombian chick in her twenties. Now, this is possible, but it should be taken for granted that young beautiful chicks are not interested in fat dudes of her father's age who don't even speak the language unless the money is involved, or at least considered.

No, it is quite easy. There is a thing which is called "the mirror". You look there, then look on her. At this moment it should be easy for every mature man to understand whether she likes you, or your money.

While there are definitely guys that fall under your description, I think this is somewhat of an exaggeration.

First, Not every guy over 30 looks like that. Many can look as good as guys in their 20s.

Second, not every girl wants a 20 year old hardbody. That's what us guys want, but luckily for us women look at other qualities. Believe it or not, many girls in their 20s are attracted to and prefer guys in their 30s, 40s etc(as long as you take care of yourself).

[oldnemesis]

(03-17-2011 11:02 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

I think in my case, I never quite bought into their sincerity. Although I am a very good looking guy, I never really felt as though I was their 'type'.

Probably the cultural difference. The emotional level difference between Russian and American persons is huge. We're definitely more reserved, and much less care what others would think about us. Americans say Russians are cold-hearten and non-emotional; and I can say that to me most Americans behave like drama queen teenagers emotion-wise. So when you deal with a Russian chick, adjust your emotional expectations accordingly. She won't scream "hey, Lucky" when meeting you in the airport. Even my wife does not do it, and if she did I would ask her if she was drunk. If you date cross-culture, get used to it.

[oldnemesis]

(03-17-2011 11:55 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

While there are definitely guys that fall under your description, I think this is somewhat of an exaggeration.
First, Not every guy over 30 looks like that. Many can look as good as guys in their 20s.

True, but those guys who look younger and date the girls close to their age typically do not have such worries. I have yet to meet a young backpacker who'd worry whether a Russian girl who he shared the bed with last night was with him because of his money. In every case I personally seen such worries always come from the category of men I described above.

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Second, not every girl wants a 20 year old hardbody. That's what us guys want, but luckily for us women look at other qualities. Believe it or not, many girls in their 20s are attracted to and prefer guys in their 30s, 40s etc(as long as you take care of yourself).

Yes, but what is this attraction based upon? It is typically based on money. Think about it, how many cases do you know when a girl in her 20s was attracted to, and preferred a poor guy in his 40s to someone around her age?

[Brian]

Here's the thing about guys in their 40's who are good looking, stylish, smart, and confident...they usually have money. It can be a 'chicken or the egg' argument to some extent, but what makes these guys attractive to girls is also what has helped them generate wealth at some point in their life. and if you have those traits and are happy with yourself and your life you can do just fine even if you dont have money but you are truly happy w/yourself and what you do (ie college professor or similar low paying, higher status job). if you are fat and bald and have nothing else to offer its easy to say every girl is just after money because in your case thats true but not w/everyone in your age bracket.

[ManAbout]

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Yes, but what is this attraction based upon? It is typically based on money. Think about it, how many cases do you know when a girl in her 20s was attracted to, and preferred a poor guy in his 40s to someone around her age?

By saying that it is about money you are devaluing all the other accomplishments a man might have. A man does not have money in isolation. A man with money usually has some skill, some ability or trait that has allowed him to make money and become a suitable mate. And personally, if a woman is attracted to him because of these traits, I see nothing wrong with it.

[oldnemesis]

(03-17-2011 05:24 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

By saying that it is about money you are devaluing all the other accomplishments a man might have.

Then you chance "money" by "other accomplishment", and you end up with the same question. Does she like me, or she likes (and benefits from) my fame? My political connections? Access to the places/people she'd never get alone? And so on. And the answer is the same: you look in the mirror, then look at her photo and ask yourself whether she'd be with you if you did not have those accomplishments, OR refuse to share them with her?

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A man with money usually has some skill, some ability or trait that has allowed him to make money and become a suitable mate.

Same as above. To see if the money is a significant part of equation, just put money out of the equation. Would she still be with him if he had the same skills, abilities and traits but refused to spend ANY money on her?

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And personally, if a woman is attracted to him because of these traits, I see nothing wrong with it.

I see nothing wrong with a woman is attracted to your money either. Nor I see anything wrong with older men attracting younger girls with money, or just paying for sex. The problem is when the money is a significant factor in the relationship, but the man pretends this is not, or at least should not be the case.

[Lumiere]

Hey guys

Ukraine will be my first stop after the middle east and from there I will be spending some time in Russia.

I know no Russian. Never had a reason to learn before but now I do. Can anybody suggest a good language learning resouce. I am thinking.

1. Audio book or podcast.
2. iPhone App
3. Language learning websites that are good for Russian
4. What are the best online language exchange sites for russian. Is livemocha.com good or are there better ones?

[Lumiere]

(03-18-2011 02:14 PM)Tony-Trouble Wrote:  

Hey,Princeton Russian course is said to be the best one out there.So if you're serious,download it,it's free and study hard

Thanks I have already started my cultural integration by deciding to drink more vodka this weekend.

[HD668B]

Too much talk about money. EE guys are ugly and have no game at all. They basically get laid because they are aggressive as fuck so the girl at one point probably just give up resisting.

My experience in Kiev was that girls still living with their parents paid taxis for me...
Also the emotional difference nemesis described means that if a girl decides she likes you, she will REALLY like you. Thats part of the sheer femininity they have, its amazing to see girls being happy and smiling by the simple fact they are sitting next to you.

Lviv is crazy beautiful, but after few days I think the concentration or hot girls is more important in Kiev. (when i mean hot im talking about the face, because here every single girls has a hot thin body)

[K-man]

(03-18-2011 10:20 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

EE guys are ugly and have no game at all.

Easy there tiger. I was born in EE but I haven't been called ugly before, and I have a well above average notch count.
But it's true most guys there rely on their money to pull. Those who don't have any, have a low self-esteem and this prevents them from developing their game. However, I know quite a few players, both back home and some in DC and NYC, that are originally from EE.

[las]

I was born in Ukraine, lived for about 10 years in Lviv, and another 10 in Kiev. Girls are nice indeed, but to get any u need to have some russian/ukrainian. If you have any questions about country, girls or language feel free to ask, shall try to help.

[rudebwoy]

(03-18-2011 10:20 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

Too much talk about money. EE guys are ugly and have no game at all. They basically get laid because they are aggressive as fuck so the girl at one point probably just give up resisting.

My experience in Kiev was that girls still living with their parents paid taxis for me...
Also the emotional difference nemesis described means that if a girl decides she likes you, she will REALLY like you. Thats part of the sheer femininity they have, its amazing to see girls being happy and smiling by the simple fact they are sitting next to you.

Lviv is crazy beautiful, but after few days I think the concentration or hot girls is more important in Kiev. (when i mean hot im talking about the face, because here every single girls has a hot thin body)

I agree with your statement about EE men, not much competition and even alot of there women do not want them. That is what makes it a great place to visit, I am seriously thinking of moving there or spending some time.

In the EE states women expect men to pay, which is not such a bad thing. There is a more old-fashioned mentality which i somewhat like.

Interesting reviews but Kiev does not seem like the mecca I thought!

[ManAbout]

(03-18-2011 10:20 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

Too much talk about money. EE guys are ugly and have no game at all. They basically get laid because they are aggressive as fuck so the girl at one point probably just give up resisting.

What I have noticed about EE guys, specially the Russian guys here in Canada is that they are more brutish looking. Many of them are massive. Tall and big, not necessarily built, but just big.

As for game, with the abundance of pussy, I don't think they need any.