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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Game is highly predicated on cold approaches. Moreover, game is highly contingent on girls being receptive to cold approaches.  And if social norms dictate that a girl should remain weary of “creepy” outsiders, a DJ, irrespective of how smooth or suave he is, will face an uphill battle in a cold approach – he will be dismissed as a “creeper” now matter how tight his game.

Interesting NY Times article on how the explosion of texting and Facebook is – ironically - creating growing insularity particularly amongst girls today, and girls increasingly dismissing outsiders as “creepers”. This growing phenomenon has profound implications for DJs whose game is highly predicated on girls being receptive to cold approaches.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/magazi...age-t.html

 

Creeper! Rando! Sketchball!

 

When Liana Roux, a junior at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, was reading a Facebook event page for her friend’s birthday party recently, she noticed a terse proviso at the end of the announcement: “No randos.” The friend wanted only people she knew to come to her party and thus sought to bar any random strangers, or randos, in collegiate parlance.

Roux is keeping track of words like rando for an assignment in a class she is taking on the grammar of current English, taught by Connie C. Eble, the resident linguist in U.N.C.’s English department. Since 1972, Eble has asked her students to compile lists of slang that they encounter in their everyday interactions, and this semester, rando is going on Roux’s list.

Rando is one of a surprisingly large number of words that U.N.C. students use to refer to unfamiliar, suspicious or anxiety-producing outsiders. Skimming the lists that Eble has collected from recent classes, I kept spotting a familiar pattern: along with rando, there are nouns like creeper, sketcher and sketchball and adjectives like dubious, grimy, sketchy, sketch and skeazy. Sketchy and sketch have, in fact, been among the most frequently attested words culled from Eble’s students for the past several semesters.

These treacherous terms have been percolating for years on many American campuses. A list of slang compiled from students at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville, published in the journal American Speech in 1975, included sketch as an adjective meaning “dangerous, risky” (“I think we’re in a sketch situation”). By 1996, one of Eble’s U.N.C. students offered sketch as a noun meaning “someone who is hard to figure out.” The variations sketchball, sketcher and sketchmaster followed thereafter, all sharing an air of suspicion and possible danger or at least discomfort.

The creep family is much older, originally describing people you can’t trust because they’re always “creeping around.” In early-20th-century America, a creep or creeper could refer to a sneaky thief, a cheating lover or a despicable person more generally. In later years, the annoying or shady creep begat creepo, creepazoid and creepshow. (And just as you can be creeped out by a creepy person, you can be sketched out by a sketchy person.)

We can thank the fine minds at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for moving random into the realm of the weird. As early as 1971, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, M.I.T.’s student paper, The Tech, was using random as an adjective meaning “peculiar, strange” or as a noun to disparage people outside a community, particularly the community of computer hackers. (The 1991 New Hacker’s Dictionary provides the example “The audience was full of randoms asking bogus questions.”) Eventually it could refer to unfamiliar faces in any social situation, like a party or a bar, with rando as a slangy 21st-century shortening.

Even if these terms describing creepy outsiders aren’t necessarily novel, the question remains: Why do they occur in such profusion on the U.N.C. slang lists? Eble points out that the words are typically used by women, who currently make up nearly 60 percent of U.N.C.’s student population. Compared with past generations, Eble said, “female students are putting themselves into more dangerous situations than they did in my day,” especially when it comes to dating and partying. Terms like creeper, rando and sketchball come in handy as women deal with men who may try to give them unwanted attention.

In interviews I conducted with Eble’s students, one recurring theme that emerged was the impact of technology and social media on the need to patrol social boundaries. “With Facebook and texting,” Natasha Duarte said, “it’s easier to contact someone you’re interested in, even if you only met them once and don’t really know them. To the person receiving them, these texts and Facebook friend requests or wall posts can seem premature and unwarranted, or sketchy.”

Facebook in particular lends itself to “stalkerish” behavior, Christina Clark explained, and indeed the compound verb Facebook stalk (meaning “excessively or surreptitiously peruse another’s Facebook profile”) shows up in the latest slang lists. “People put things on Facebook a lot of the time to show off pictures of themselves and to meet new people, but some of these new people are undesirables,” Clark said. “Unfortunately, it can be hard to filter these people out without feeling unkind, so this information is available to them, and often it is alarming if they seem to be looking through pictures or constantly trying to find out what you’re up to. These people then become stalkers or ‘creepers.’ ”

Lilly Kantarakias said she believes that the shift to technologically mediated exchanges among students is leading to a “loss of intimacy” and that this failure to engage in human contact is responsible for the rise in all of the “sketchy” talk. “People have lost both their sense of communication and social-interaction skills,” Kantarakias said. “We know only how to judge people off of a Facebook page or we easily misinterpret texts or e-mails. You can see it in the way people walk around campus, texting on their cells, being completely oblivious to the hundreds of people surrounding them. We’ve become lazy with our speech and our social profiling of fellow human beings.”

Roux observed that “as college students, we navigate through an enormous social landscape every day.” The slang words for suspicious outsiders “create a distance between ‘us’ and ‘them,’ between our clique and the creepers.” These “terms of exclusion,” as Roux sees them, don’t just separate an in-group of students from potentially dangerous people but also from “people we just dislike or people who are perceived as different or weird.” And that type of behavior, even if it is complicated these days by new technology, new social pressures and new slang expressions, is surely as old as the hills.

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So for the DJs here – how does one contend with this growing phenomenon?
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

I have noticed that not having a Facebook is becoming tantamount to not having a cell phone. The newest way to connect with people is for them to "Facebook you" and I have had women ask for my Facebook long before I even had an attempt to ask for their number (or had no intention of doing so and they just asked flat out for my Facebook page). I did notice that since I keep very little information on my Facebook other then my favorite quotes and one profile picture of me in the distance facing the ocean (unable to see a clear shot of my face, just my well toned backside [Image: sleepy.gif]), I routinely get comments about why I don't have much information on my Facebook page and get prompted to put more stuff on there. The article is correct that women use Facebook to dig up as much dirt about you as possible before they make their superficial conclusion on who you are or what defines you as a person. However, since I don't put anything on there, they are left in the dark as to who I am other then the quotes I have which leaves them with the conclusion that I am an avid reader (which is a judgment I want them to have).

I am actually glad Facebook has come out since it gives me intimate details on peoples lives who can't contain their own narcissism and choose to display their whole life via photos and thoughts via status messages for all the world to see. It makes you stand out if you are not a guy who does the "Facebook" thing and I think it can work in your favor. I still think cold approach game will always be viable since women liked to be approached no matter what, but reliance on cell phones and emails has gone down quite considerably.

I think Roosh did a post on Facebook being a game killer, check it out.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

I don't even bother with facebook. Forgetting the fact that is is certainly used by the FBI to track your movements, locations and people you contact/know, it is a fucking waste of time to sit there trying to make "friends" with attention seeking biaches.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-09-2010 03:03 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I have noticed that not having a Facebook is becoming tantamount to not having a cell phone. The newest way to connect with people is for them to "Facebook you" and have had women asks for my Facebook long before I even had an attempt to ask for their number

I personally hate FB. Which is why when a woman asks me for my facebook, I simply reply why bother if she is in front of me at the moment...if she is the slightest bit interested in banging you, she'll pave way for you to hook-up in person, not Facebook where you can worship her along with the other 667 betas in her friends list commenting on how beautiful she is in her bathroom mirror photos with her panties on.

Mixx
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

I think FB is awesome, but like any new technology where people haven't fully come to terms with its implications, it has many pitfalls. People over-sharing, people giving you a play-by-play update on everything mundane thing they do, narcissism, attention-whoring, etc. The main thing I like about FB is that it keeps me in touch with people that I know for a fact I'd rarely see or talk to but who I still consider acquaintances that I like. There are also people who posts events and articles that I find really valuable. I'm on a lot of lists for different things like events around town and get updates on what's going on. Many of my traveling friends use it to post trip updates and photos allowing me to follow the adventure. And I love being able to create an "event" and then add people to my list and post all the relevant information and then add people. I can get a headcount of who is coming, and send broadcast from my cell phone to attendees if something changes. It's really a great tool and one convenient place to sort of manage your social connections and see what's going on. So there's a lot of value in FB, too much for me to get off it now. You just have to use your privacy controls wisely and even then assume that anything you post can still be read or seen by the general public. Sure, nobody truly NEEDS Facebook but social networking sites are not going anywhere and they will become only more important in our social lives.

ps - Speaking of oversharing, one of my FB buddies just updated his status: "Bein broke is NOT the bizzness!!!". Yeah that's something you really want the world to know! [Image: rolleyes.gif]
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

As much as I think the US has some really hot girls, I recommend you stop spending any more time & energy on this. Instead, focus on saving money & getting your ass abroad meeting foreign girls who aren't so dysfunctional & high maintenance in this regards.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-09-2010 03:11 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

I don't even bother with facebook. Forgetting the fact that is is certainly used by the FBI to track your movements, locations and people you contact/know, it is a fucking waste of time to sit there trying to make "friends" with attention seeking biaches.

Facebook can be nice for keeping in touch with friends if you live far away. I don't have time to call all my friends once a week, or even once a month. But I can stop by and write something on their wall and show them some love, let them know I'm thinking about them. I honestly like it. And I don't see the FBI trying to track movement on facebook unless you are doing some serious shit. I don't know why facebook would want to track me reguardless. I don't care if they know I smoke a little herb here and there (Though you would never know that looking at my facebook, I never advertise that) and like to travel and snowboard and bang girls. You think a herb smokin snowboarder is very high on their list? Very doubtful.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-10-2010 01:30 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

And I don't see the FBI trying to track movement on facebook unless you are doing some serious shit. I don't know why facebook would want to track me regardless. I don't care if they know I smoke a little herb here and there (Though you would never know that looking at my facebook, I never advertise that) and like to travel and snowboard and bang girls. You think a herb smokin snowboarder is very high on their list? Very doubtful.

It's not that you are a small time weed-smoker, they track you because of the paranoia they try to keep our society living under:FEAR. I don't even smoke weed at all, but I don't want anyone knowing who I slept with (except for you guys here), where I am eating (or who I'm eating) and the latest one: check-in to your location via GPS - oh wow, you just gift-wrapped yourself. If I wan to keep in touch with an old friend, I'll call him/her...better to hear a voice. If he/she does not have time for my call, then why should I bother writing on his wall?

If your curious, go read FB's privacy statement, and TERMS.

Now, how do I know FBI tracks a bunch of shit you would delete you Facebook account TODAY if you only knew?...a family member of mine is secret service. Which is why I don't have Facebook anymore, and make sure I forward my IP to several proxies. And I am as clean as a whistle, with nothing illegal to hide.


By the way, Facebook are such control-freaks, they will not even allow you to delete you own account.....go try it - call that freedom? ;-)


I guess I'm just an old-school, get out there and fight type of PUA. I still love humain interaction vs a computer screen; not that many of my kind left.

Mixx
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

The article was really interesting for those of you that actually read it. Love the NY times. The article was spot on in regards to their analysis of facebook/texting circles of friends vs. perceived outsiders.
I closed my FB account in 2006 and haven't looked back.
Even without a facebook account I know there are hundreds of random photos of me that *others* have uploaded perhaps of my louche behavior. Just being social and in other people's photos you will end up on facebook whether you have an account or not.
From a game perspective I like keeping a low profile. The girl can't research me or snoop on me or anything like that. Furthermore, when the girl rejects me I'm gone...no writing on walls (in either direction), no keeping tabs, no attention being paid -- nothing. If she wants to ever see me again she has to call (which they don't). Furthermore, I'm not tempted to dwell on some past girl. It keeps me focused on the field and the next pursuit.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-10-2010 10:20 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Quote: (11-10-2010 01:30 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

And I don't see the FBI trying to track movement on facebook unless you are doing some serious shit. I don't know why facebook would want to track me regardless. I don't care if they know I smoke a little herb here and there (Though you would never know that looking at my facebook, I never advertise that) and like to travel and snowboard and bang girls. You think a herb smokin snowboarder is very high on their list? Very doubtful.

It's not that you are a small time weed-smoker, they track you because of the paranoia they try to keep our society living under:FEAR. I don't even smoke weed at all, but I don't want anyone knowing who I slept with (except for you guys here), where I am eating (or who I'm eating) and the latest one: check-in to your location via GPS - oh wow, you just gift-wrapped yourself. If I wan to keep in touch with an old friend, I'll call him/her...better to hear a voice. If he/she does not have time for my call, then why should I bother writing on his wall?

If your curious, go read FB's privacy statement, and TERMS.

Now, how do I know FBI tracks a bunch of shit you would delete you Facebook account TODAY if you only knew?...a family member of mine is secret service. Which is why I don't have Facebook anymore, and make sure I forward my IP to several proxies. And I am as clean as a whistle, with nothing illegal to hide.


By the way, Facebook are such control-freaks, they will not even allow you to delete you own account.....go try it - call that freedom? ;-)


I guess I'm just an old-school, get out there and fight type of PUA. I still love humain interaction vs a computer screen; not that many of my kind left.

Mixx

I think the fault lies with the Illuminati.
Using a VPN is a good option too instead of proxies.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-10-2010 10:20 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

It's not that you are a small time weed-smoker, they track you because of the paranoia they try to keep our society living under:FEAR. I don't even smoke weed at all, but I don't want anyone knowing who I slept with (except for you guys here), where I am eating (or who I'm eating) and the latest one: check-in to your location via GPS - oh wow, you just gift-wrapped yourself.

There are even more things involved. My friend who works for FB (their office is right here in Bay Area) said they're receiving hundreds of subpoenas every week. I personally know someone who had to testify in a divorce case because he posted a pic of his buddy with "a chick he fucked later that night". The chick ended up being married to some high-profile dude, whose lawyers subpoenaed his info from FB, deposited him and then subpoenaed him to be a witness in the court hearing.

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I guess I'm just an old-school, get out there and fight type of PUA. I still love humain interaction vs a computer screen; not that many of my kind left.

Same here, never had any FB/myspace or any other similar shit. But I'm only 4 month or so younger than you, so probably this is generation thing.
Also I do not use texting at all while in US - my plan includes the free "block all text messages", so probably there will be no game left for me in five years or so.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-10-2010 10:28 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

There are even more things involved. My friend who works for FB (their office is right here in Bay Area) said they're receiving hundreds of subpoenas every week. I personally know someone who had to testify in a divorce case because he posted a pic of his buddy with "a chick he fucked later that night". The chick ended up being married to some high-profile dude, whose lawyers subpoenaed his info from FB, deposited him and then subpoenaed him to be a witness in the court hearing.

Yeah see, the problem isn't FB per se, it's these morons that post way too much personal shit. If the FBI looks at my profile, all they'll see is my travel photos, what music I like, some random quotes and links on whatever crap I feel like throwing out that day. I'm not one of these people posting check-ins every 10 minutes when I leave the house and talking about the drugs they used last night.

Also as for subpoenas, it's not like that can't get such info from your phone records, your snail mail, email, google searches, job, credit bureau, bank and god knows what else. Taking yourself off FB to protect your privacy from the government is like scooping one bucket of water out of a lake to lower the tide.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-09-2010 03:19 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Quote: (11-09-2010 03:03 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I have noticed that not having a Facebook is becoming tantamount to not having a cell phone. The newest way to connect with people is for them to "Facebook you" and have had women asks for my Facebook long before I even had an attempt to ask for their number

I personally hate FB. Which is why when a woman asks me for my facebook, I simply reply why bother if she is in front of me at the moment...if she is the slightest bit interested in banging you, she'll pave way for you to hook-up in person, not Facebook where you can worship her along with the other 667 betas in her friends list commenting on how beautiful she is in her bathroom mirror photos with her panties on.

Mixx

HAHAHAHAHA. This one chick I dated sent me a long "letter" message the day after we had our first date. She said she didn't want our friends to find out and etc and I wasn't her type, and it wasn't a date. I was beta back then and told her "yea, sure" and etc. But I still printed it out and all my friends had a good laugh. She went to volunteer for red cross in Honduras or something like that.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Chicks just got way more options and it really just helped those guys that got laid alot before in my view..

Stop crying..things develops... like it or not.. ride the wave or be sweept away in the Tsunami dinosaurs :-)

Chicks wont stop wanted cock, so game never stop.. environments just change, females just get more and more options, which really is their biggest problem too [Image: biggrin.gif]
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

I think not having the Facebook is actually better for swooping girls.

There's one I'm saving for this weekend that can't believe I won't tell her mine, and just doesn't believe me that I don't have it. Not having it is absolutely keeping the tension up.

When I was in the Navy, there was a brief period where they told everybody they had to erase their Myspaces. It wasn't a problem for me because I never had one. The higher ups knew that it made an outrageous amount of personal info available to all kinds of different people. That shit just scares me.

Aloha!
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-17-2010 03:32 AM)Kona Wrote:  

I think not having the Facebook is actually better for swooping girls.

There's one I'm saving for this weekend that can't believe I won't tell her mine, and just doesn't believe me that I don't have it. Not having it is absolutely keeping the tension up.

When I was in the Navy, there was a brief period where they told everybody they had to erase their Myspaces. It wasn't a problem for me because I never had one. The higher ups knew that it made an outrageous amount of personal info available to all kinds of different people. That shit just scares me.

Aloha!

I notice the same results, when I tell a girl I don't "do" Facebook, it's like she must find out more anbout me to satisfy her craving for wanting know why I don't, and instantly starts chasing me vs me chasing her....being the guy w/o Facebook seems to startle women today, and that results in curiosity, which then leads to a chain of events: bang!

Mixx
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Depends on climate alot too... wouldnt be without it here for sure... fucking dinosaurs..seriously come one..better without.. that is BS [Image: biggrin.gif] sure, stop using a cellphone then too.. she will probably be even more puzzled [Image: smile.gif]

If you dont recognize it as a great tool, Im sorry but then your internet gaming sucks... Im not a master of the world neither Denmarks answer to Don Giovanni, but I know how to get laid using facebook and with the right setup its the shit...

Internet gaming is different than other gaming though, but not easier, not if you wanna bang quality bush.. I get your mystery points.. might be true, but I wouldnt give her my FB either right away if I was gaming her offline.. that doesnt make sense... just meet and bang..
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Hey Quasi.

Would you share some FB gaming tips, strategies, etc?

Randomly contacting hotties on FB sounds a little perv unless you got a tight intro.
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

The main brilliant thing is the " Are you interested" ... app, that really transcended my usual amount of potential hot chicks to not far from utopian hights.. Im not a member there even I just wrote my facebook name on the photo I use on the site so girls can contact me, and I have some text.. (its def..not random text..you some tight shit here )

Its not like I wouldnt prefer choosing hot girls IRL, but there is def. quality and quality in huge amounts here.. but logistics is different in Denmark so might be useless to you guys...

Offcourse having a tight FB profile without too much lame garbage. One that reflects your a guy with a brain, who does some good shit with your life is nice.. but the ones I wanna bang I quickly goes from chat to phone to date.. but... internet gaming is really the antithesis of normal gaming and rules.. sometimes, Im also hooking up next month with some chicks I had there forever.. and havent really tried to do anything with, some really fine ones.. so I dont really understand the mechanics to be honest.. but they are both bimbos... bangs alot of guys and dont give a shit..types

Sometimes a girl just gets horny finds me is looking for some action.. not often, but the being available is a double edged sword.. it can be good and bad.

In chatting with a girl all the usual stuff apply high energy..making her laugh.. etc.. (now your thinking, how do you know she is laughing) I just know...when there is a nice flow you know there is potential, if not, then you can always try to escalate to something more real than FB, phone hook up etc..
I usually do that when I know the time is right, just before the vibe start to decrease...give her some sweet time and then take away the bowl of candy.. I dont get very sexual.. I do talk sex stuff, but generally never dwell on it.. I mean you can feel her responding and she is really getting warm and loving your attention and charm.. then its just making it totally natural she does so.. she might even just throw it at you..


Personally I have fucked quite few up with being too crazy and too funny.. I just have to be a little crazy and funny... then its perfect..
Having a good phone game is vital IMO because you DONT wanna sleep with boring chicks... I dont.. not someone I cant stand spending an evening with, so its really an important filter.. and good way to practice speaking to different types of people..

Depending on the chemistry I set a date same week or just let it be and see if she seeks my attention, if not I might just let her go without further interest... I really dont go for quantity..but rather a new hot good bang here and there..

I totally agree with MM its not an idea to meet a chick IRL and THEN go for FB.. that is plain stupid.. its like a stepback.. but if you can go from some other dating site to fb, and then quickly to IRL its really good... providing you think a little about your profile..

And when adding hotties I dont write anything... but I usually have common friends(Denmark is really really small), but the hot ones I rarely go for when added that way.. if they show interest in me..fine then I do.. but they have all the fanboys and loove the attention (like I do).. I also like fangirls just for the entertainment and comfort of feeling nice and such [Image: smile.gif]

But AYI is gamebreaking in the internet game era.. hottest thing Ive seen really, ALOT of girls and ALOT of hot girls...
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Is Facebook and Texting Killing Game As We Know It? - New York Times

Quote: (11-11-2010 12:50 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Yeah see, the problem isn't FB per se, it's these morons that post way too much personal shit.

Indeed. Stay away from friends who use Facebook.

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Also as for subpoenas, it's not like that can't get such info from your phone records, your snail mail, email,

The main problem here is to know whom to subpoena. There are ways to hide your identity though:

Use Tracfone for those confidential calls. You can buy the phone in Safeway for $10 and refill it for 60 min/90 days for $20 or so. Pay cash. This is pretty much untraceable for lawyers, and even for government officials, unless you get into some serious trouble with FBI. Of course none of those who calls this phone should know your real identity, but if you're really paranoid, throw it away each month and get a new one. Keep it off all the time and only turn in in places like malls, although this is really unnecessary unless you're living on a ten-acre ranch.

Don't use email providers, or hosting providers who host your email, in the USA for confidential info. Use one in Brazil or Russia. Here the bar is lower than terrorism, but you still need to do some serious crime (like child porn),

Disable google tracking by using Firefox plugins like OptimizeGoogle, and clear their cookies. This is good option even if you have nothing to hide, as it also strips down ads and "sponsored results". Use other search engines, for example http://www.yandex.ru is a good one, and it is in Russia so it is significantly harder to get any information from them.

There are options to protect your privacy. They are always associated with some inconvenience (as the companies do not want you to), but to me it is a small inconvenience.
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