[Parlay44]

I don't even know what to say about this article. I just thought it was interesting and goes to show that anything is possible.

A black Nigerian couple gave birth to a blue-eyed, blond-haired white baby in London


http://www.theunusualfacts.com/2013/02/a...th-to.html

Blue-eyed blonde Nmachi, whose name means “Beauty of God” in the Nigerian couple’s homeland, has baffled genetics experts because neither Ben nor wife Angela have any mixed-race family history. Pale genes skipping generations before cropping up again could have explained the baby’s appearance.

Ben also stressed: “My wife is true to me. Even if she hadn’t been, the baby still wouldn’t look like that. “We both just sat there after the birth staring at her for ages – not saying anything.” Doctors at Queen Mary’s Hospital in Sidcup – where Angela, from nearby Woolwich, gave birth – have told the parents Nmachi is definitely no albino.

Ben, who came to Britain with his wife five years ago and works for South Eastern Trains, said: “She doesn’t look like an albino child anyway – not like the ones I’ve seen back in Nigeria or in books. She just looks like a healthy white baby.” “But we don’t know of any white ancestry. We wondered if it was a genetic twist. “But even then, what is with the long curly blonde hair?” Professor Bryan Sykes, head of Human Genetics at Oxford University and Britain’s leading expert, yesterday called the birth “extraordinary”. He said: “In mixed race humans, the lighter variant of skin tone may come out in a child – and this can sometimes be startlingly different to the skin of the parents.

“This might be the case where there is a lot of genetic mixing, as in Afro-Caribbean populations. But in Nigeria there is little mixing.” Prof Sykes said BOTH parents would have needed “some form of white ancestry” for a pale version of their genes to be passed on. But he added: “The hair is extremely unusual. Even many blonde children don’t have blonde hair like this at birth.” The expert said some unknown mutation was the most likely explanation. He admitted: “The rules of genetics are complex and we still don’t understand what happens in many cases.”

“All that matters is that she’s healthy and that we love her. She’s a proud British Nigerian.”

[Belize King]

My nephew was born with grey eyes and light brown hair. His Dad is Michael Jordan black and mom is a redbone creole.

Little dude is going to be pimpin when he hits high school if his eyes dont change to brown.

[Aliblahba]

I knew that chick looked familiar....

[bacon]

Quote:

My wife is true to me.

[Way Cool Jr]

Well, jokes apart, I'm speechless, I don't know how this "mutation" could happen, especially since she's not an albino.

[Que enspastic]

Did he get her to do a paternity test?

[Kimber]

any signs of a paternity test being asked for?

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-02-2013 12:33 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Did he get her to do a paternity test?

Infidelity wouldn't explain a dark-skinned black woman giving birth to a blond-haired, blue-eyed white baby. Under the (false) assumption that "ancestry equals phenotype", even if she had cheated with a White man, you would expect at least a brown looking child to be born.

Honestly, though, skin colour is not a reliable means of determining a person's ancestry. A person can have predominantly 'black' features but have more European ancestry than African and vice versa. Contrary to popular belief, heredity doesn't work like mixing paint or coffee and milk.

...Ceterum censeo Osakam esse delendam.

[Que enspastic]

I wonder if the kid will get bashed at school?

[Sargon of Akkad]

Black and White Twins

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So how does it happen that a white and a black partner – who would usually produce, as Alyson and Errol did in their other children, black-skinned offspring – have a child who is as white as his mum? I spoke to Dr Jim Wilson, population geneticist at Edinburgh University – and his first question was, "What is Errol's heritage?" Errol is Jamaican – and that, says Jim, is the basic explanation.

"It wouldn't really be possible for a black African father and a white mother to have a white child, because the African would carry only black skin gene variants in his DNA, so wouldn't have any European DNA, with white skin variants, to pass on," he explains.

"But most Caribbean people, though black-skinned, have European DNA because in the days of slavery, many plantation owners raped female slaves, and so introduced European DNA into the black gene pool.

"The thing about skin colour is that even a bit of African DNA tends to make a person's skin colour black – so to be white, the child must have inherited more of the father's European DNA with its white skin variants. Added to the mother's European DNA, this led to a child with white skin – while his brother, who is black-skinned, inherited more of his father's African DNA.

"The Caribbean father will have less European DNA than African DNA, so it's more likely he'll pass on African DNA – but rarely, and I've worked it out to be around one in 500 sets of twins where there's a couple of this genetic mix, the father will pass on a lot of European DNA to one child and mostly African DNA to the other. The result will be one white child and one black."

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...seven.html

Ceterum censeo Osakam esse delendam!

[JayMillz]

I remember this story about 3 years ago.

[Moma]

(11-02-2013 01:17 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

I remember this story about 3 years ago.

Me too. And sometimes Nigerians give birth to albinos..I saw quite a few when I was over there..so this looks like another case of albinoism. The albinos I saw looked NOTHING like their parents.

[The Beast1]

(11-02-2013 01:01 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  



Black and White Twins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...seven.html

Ceterum censeo Osakam esse delendam!

I would still call the guy on the right African American. He has a tan complexion similar to Obama. Dark skin versus tanned by the sun are very different things.

[speakeasy]

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-04-2013 09:07 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

I would still call the guy on the right African American. He has a tan complexion similar to Obama. Dark skin versus tanned by the sun are very different things.

I don't see how that contadicts the article.

Delenda est Osaka.

[kdolo]

(11-04-2013 09:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

Exactly on the money.

African DNA produces all the others. Therefore, totally African parents can create a white blue eyed baby - a stated another way - a baby with genetic recessive characteristics as opposed to the genetic dominant characteristics of the parents. All it takes is the expression of mutations.

This is exactly how the first "whites" came about. The first "whites" had black parents.

[Therapsid]

I know the dad is saying the baby isn't an albino, but...

The child could be an albino.

Look at this Brazilian women who gave birth to albino children, for example:

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A black mother has baffled scientists after giving birth to three albino children.
Parents Rosemere Fernandes de Andrade and her partner Joao are dark-skinned Afro-Brazilians, yet three of their five children are albinos.

Genetics professor Valdir Balbino of the Federal University of Pernambuco said this is a very rare occurrence considering the parents and two other children are black.

Both parents must carry the albinism gene in order to produce a child with albinism. Where both parents are carriers of the albinism gene, there is a one in four chance that a child will be born with the condition.

The family live in the slum of Olinda in north-east Brazil and the children have faced taunts by fellow pupils at their school.

The condition affects around one in 17,000 people. Those with albiinism do not produce enough melanin pigment, which gives colour to the skin, hair and eyes and protects the body from the sun's rays.

They often suffer from extreme short-sightedness and a severe sensitivity to light.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z2jgrYu3aw

Not all albinos are as pale as these Brazilian kids. Some can have more melanin, which could explain this girl.

If this Nigerian girl exhibits serious visual impairment, they'll know she's an albino.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(11-04-2013 09:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

That's a rather difficult to accept statement.

Where genetics are concerned, all bets are off.

It's got nothing to do with 'robustness,' everyone's DNA will randomly shuffle to some extent when creating offspring.

There are no black swans, until there is a black swan.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-04-2013 09:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

This statement only seems to make sense if one knows absolutely nothing about DNA, natural selection or human evolutionary history.

Osaka delenda est.

[Benoit]

(11-04-2013 09:07 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

I would still call the guy on the right African American. He has a tan complexion similar to Obama. Dark skin versus tanned by the sun are very different things.

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They were born on 27 March 1993, the sons of Alyson and Errol Kelly, who live in south-east London.

[el mechanico]

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[scandibro]

(11-04-2013 09:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

The white race has significant neanderthal DNA, the only race who has it. Perhaps this explains the siginificant variation in hair color and eye color compared to other races.

[scandibro]

(11-04-2013 10:05 AM)kdolo Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 09:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

Exactly on the money.

African DNA produces all the others. Therefore, totally African parents can create a white blue eyed baby - a stated another way - a baby with genetic recessive characteristics as opposed to the genetic dominant characteristics of the parents. All it takes is the expression of mutations.

This is exactly how the first "whites" came about. The first "whites" had black parents.

I think that is a wrong way of looking at things. The modern day blacks are not the same as the original africans. They are very evolved since then. A better idea of what the original man looked like is the Kalahari bushmen who have both black and asian features:



A bit lighter skin and you could see this face in Asia.

Whites have a significant portion of neanderthal dna because homo sapiens and homo neanderthal mated for a long time in Europe. The neanderthals are so named because they originated from a belt between modern day Scandinavia and the Alps, which was the only liveable area in that region. Because of that, it is likely they were light skinned as well.

Neanderthals only died out 30.000 years ago, which is actually very recent, close to when the earliest human modern societies originated.

Red hair is frequently associated with neanderthals. Neanderthal reconstruction from National Geographic:

[speakeasy]

(11-04-2013 12:13 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 09:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Caucasians evolved out of Africans originally. Perhaps we are now getting to see with our eyes in real time the genetic mutations that led to the white race.

I guess this means African DNA is robust enough to produce people with Nordic features. However European DNA couldn't produce black African features.

The white race has significant neanderthal DNA, the only race who has it. Perhaps this explains the siginificant variation in hair color and eye color compared to other races.

Not likely. East Asians have more neanderthal DNA than whites and they only have black hair and eyes. I wouldn't say the amounts are all that significant, we're talking 1-4%.

http://m.genetics.org/content/early/2013...8213.short

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^^^ That neanderthal woman is a definite 2/10 WNB!

[Marmite]

It's called a throw back. Same sort of effect that caused harlequin babies, or babies born with tails etc.