[Big Nilla]

http://trafficandconversionsummit.com/tickets/

Any IM'ers going to this? January 23-25 in San Diego. I'll be there.

[Christian McQueen]

There's a strong possibility I am.

[Blackmagic]

I haven't heard of this event before, I'll have to catch the next one.

I did just book a ticket to ASW14 in Vegas, anyone going to that?

[scandibro]

Ryan Deiss is too the best of my knowledge a total fraud and fake guru. None of the guys who actually know their shit run these kind of workshops, they are using their knowledge to bank for themselves.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 04:29 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

Ryan Deiss is too the best of my knowledge a total fraud and fake guru. None of the guys who actually know their shit run these kind of workshops, they are using their knowledge to bank for themselves.

What you are saying is that you think he is a fraud just because he runs a workshop. Besides that you have no clue.

Do you not see the flaw in that reasoning?

I got my hands on a traffic and conversions workshop videos when he and Belcher did it in the past. I tested a few of the things they talked about and they worked very well.

They work different niches and bank using the same information in those niches.

Let's hear more about your "knowledge" and how it makes him a fraud.

[scandibro]

(10-23-2013 04:53 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 04:29 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

Ryan Deiss is too the best of my knowledge a total fraud and fake guru. None of the guys who actually know their shit run these kind of workshops, they are using their knowledge to bank for themselves.

What you are saying is that you think he is a fraud just because he runs a workshop. Besides that you have no clue.

Do you not see the flaw in that reasoning?

I got my hands on a traffic and conversions videos when he and Belcher did it in the past. I tested a few of the things they talked about and they worked very well.

They work different niches and bank using the same information in those niches.

Let's hear more about your "knowledge" and how it makes him a fraud.

Lets see, how about the fact that I've actually worked professionally with SEO and affiliate marketing for 4 years and actually worked with millionaire affiliates and none of them would dream of selling their knowledge which made them millionaires.

If you had bothered to google a bit you'd have found plenty and plenty of negative reviews about his products. He is a typical self claimed 'guru' part of the so called Syndicate with Frank Kern and all the other frauds tricking people into buying expensive workshops with basic rehashed info anyone can find for free. These guys btw are going to go down hard with the FTC on their ass, they're going to end up broke, sued and in jail.

http://performinsider.com/2012/05/the-ve...-filsaime/

Maybe you should read Aaron Wall from SEOBook who is actually a knowledgeable SEO:

http://www.seobook.com/ryan-deiss-perpet...ula-review

One more:

http://saltydroid.info/ryan-deiss-scam-r...ammer-seo/

Don't waste your money bro. If you want advice for which guys to follow, I'll happy to share.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 05:15 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

Lets see, how about the fact that I've actually worked professionally with SEO and affiliate marketing for 4 years and actually worked with millionaire affiliates and none of them would dream of selling their knowledge which made them millionaires.

If you had bothered to google a bit you'd have found plenty and plenty of negative reviews about his products. He is a typical self claimed 'guru' part of the so called Syndicate with Frank Kern and all the other frauds tricking people into buying expensive workshops with basic rehashed info anyone can find for free. These guys btw are going to go down hard with the FTC on their ass, they're going to end up broke, sued and in jail.

http://performinsider.com/2012/05/the-ve...-filsaime/

Maybe you should read Aaron Wall from SEOBook who is actually a knowledgeable SEO:

http://www.seobook.com/ryan-deiss-perpet...ula-review

One more:

http://saltydroid.info/ryan-deiss-scam-r...ammer-seo/

Don't waste your money bro. If you want advice for which guys to follow, I'll happy to share.

Wow, a whole 4 years huh. Seo at that! You also seem to be a fortune teller.

What have you tried of his that didn't work? You are posting links and Salty Droid of all things but I asked you about what you know not what you read.

I can find a lot of links that say Roosh is a rapist. Does that make Roosh a rapist?

[scandibro]

(10-23-2013 05:18 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 05:15 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

Lets see, how about the fact that I've actually worked professionally with SEO and affiliate marketing for 4 years and actually worked with millionaire affiliates and none of them would dream of selling their knowledge which made them millionaires.

If you had bothered to google a bit you'd have found plenty and plenty of negative reviews about his products. He is a typical self claimed 'guru' part of the so called Syndicate with Frank Kern and all the other frauds tricking people into buying expensive workshops with basic rehashed info anyone can find for free. These guys btw are going to go down hard with the FTC on their ass, they're going to end up broke, sued and in jail.

http://performinsider.com/2012/05/the-ve...-filsaime/

Maybe you should read Aaron Wall from SEOBook who is actually a knowledgeable SEO:

http://www.seobook.com/ryan-deiss-perpet...ula-review

One more:

http://saltydroid.info/ryan-deiss-scam-r...ammer-seo/

Don't waste your money bro. If you want advice for which guys to follow, I'll happy to share.

Wow, a whole 4 years huh. Seo at that! You also seem to be a fortune teller.

What have you tried of his that didn't work? You are posting links and Salty Droid of all things but I asked you about what you know not what you read.

I haven't met a single succesful affiliate marketer, linkbuilder/seo, who has ever claimed to have learned anything from these gurus with their fancy products. I can smell bs scam frauduct a mile away. Will there be some good things in it? Of course, but nothing you won't be able to find at much less of the cost and without these guys trying to upsell you into $5000 personal coaching.

Whether you think I am qualified or not, I've ranked sites on very profitable keywods. I've had a site with 1000 words and two pages on it make more than $10000 a month. I think I am qualified to comment.

I am trying to help you not waste your time and money.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 05:27 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

I haven't met a single succesful affiliate marketer, linkbuilder/seo, who has ever claimed to have learned anything from these gurus with their fancy products. I can smell bs scam frauduct a mile away. Will there be some good things in it? Of course, but nothing you won't be able to find at much less of the cost and without these guys trying to upsell you into $5000 personal coaching.

Whether you think I am qualified or not, I've ranked sites on very profitable keywods. I've had a site with 1000 words and two pages on it make more than $10000 a month. I think I am qualified to comment.

I am trying to help you not waste your time and money.

You are saying the same thing yet haven't told me what you have tested that didn't work. I, on the other hand, have tested some of their strategies and they did work. Quite well at that.

I have been in this game for over 8 years mate. No, I don't think you are qualified to comment.

[scandibro]

Lets not get into cock measuring contests. I've made a significant sum in seo and affiliate marketing and that is the final test for me when it comes to taking advice from others, not if someone has been in the game longer than me.

Has Ryan Deiss personally ranked websites for high value keywords or hasn't he? And if he really has the golden knowledge on these things, why isn't he making millions of dollars a month ranking for 'payday loans'? Cause if he was able to do that, why in the world would he make $57 Clickbank products.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 06:32 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

Lets not get into cock measuring contests. I've made a significant sum in seo and affiliate marketing and that is the final test for me when it comes to taking advice from others, not if someone has been in the game longer than me.

Has Ryan Deiss personally ranked websites for high value keywords or hasn't he? And if he really has the golden knowledge on these things, why isn't he making millions of dollars a month ranking for 'payday loans'? Cause if he was able to do that, why in the world would he make $57 Clickbank products.

You are the one with the measuring stick.

There is more to those workshops than SEO mate. I thought you knew that since you called him a fraud.

Saying he is a fraud unless he ranks for keywords like "payday loans" is pretty stupid.

[Big Nilla]

Worldwide, why it's pointless to argue with scandibro... "Never argue against emotion if your only weapon is logic. Instead, learn to walk away. --Robert Ringer"

Scandibro, I take it you won't be going?

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 06:55 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

Worldwide, why it's pointless to argue with scandibro... "Never argue against emotion if your only weapon is logic. Instead, learn to walk away. --Robert Ringer"

Yeah, I know, but sometimes others reading it may see where his type of reasoning is wrong. I always tell people not to blindly follow someone but to test what they say to see if it works. It also goes for those that scream fraud without having a clue as to what they teach.

Anyway, by bad for contributing to the pollution in this thread. I won't be going, but after viewing some older videos, it should provide some good info.

[MikeCF]

(10-23-2013 05:33 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You are saying the same thing yet haven't told me what you have tested that didn't work. I, on the other hand, have tested some of their strategies and they did work. Quite well at that.

I have been in this game for over 8 years mate. No, I don't think you are qualified to comment.

Have you already busted out a data sheet on this?

There are more than a few of us who earn some or all of our income online and employ various SEO strategies.

Got a link to your thread or will you start one?

[MikeCF]

(10-23-2013 06:32 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

Lets not get into cock measuring contests. I've made a significant sum in seo and affiliate marketing and that is the final test for me when it comes to taking advice from others, not if someone has been in the game longer than me.

Has Ryan Deiss personally ranked websites for high value keywords or hasn't he? And if he really has the golden knowledge on these things, why isn't he making millions of dollars a month ranking for 'payday loans'? Cause if he was able to do that, why in the world would he make $57 Clickbank products.

Correct.

One thing I have learned about Internet Marketing is that the guys making the most money are the ones who sell...

Internet Marketing products!

It's like stock gurus writing for Yahoo! Finance and other sites.

If you know so much about stocks, why not take those skills and make billions on Wall Street?

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 07:00 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 05:33 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You are saying the same thing yet haven't told me what you have tested that didn't work. I, on the other hand, have tested some of their strategies and they did work. Quite well at that.

I have been in this game for over 8 years mate. No, I don't think you are qualified to comment.

Have you already busted out a data sheet on this?

There are more than a few of us who earn some or all of our income online and employ various SEO strategies.

Got a link to your thread or will you start one?

I did this one some time ago.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20832.html

[MikeCF]

^ Missed that, will check out now. Thanks!

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 07:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

^ Missed that, will check out now. Thanks!

Hope it helps in some way.

Some of the stuff I touch on, in that thread, I learned the concept from a Traffic/Conversions workshop video and tweaked it to meet my own business.

It really opened my eyes how Belcher and Diess had their sales funnels setup.

I do think after Belcher left, Diess got greedy with some of his products. He seemed to have built up single products from that workshop and sold them separately.

Sometimes, you learn a ton just by watching what they do.

[Big Nilla]

(10-23-2013 06:57 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 06:55 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

Worldwide, why it's pointless to argue with scandibro... "Never argue against emotion if your only weapon is logic. Instead, learn to walk away. --Robert Ringer"

Yeah, I know, but sometimes others reading it may see where his type of reasoning is wrong. I always tell people not to blindly follow someone but to test what they say to see if it works. It also goes for those that scream fraud without having a clue as to what they teach.

Anyway, by bad for contributing to the pollution in this thread. I won't be going, but after viewing some older videos, it should provide some good info.

It's good that people are skeptical and question qualifications and stuff, too bad scandibro is going about it all wrong and not proving his point.

I've been to 3 of the last 4 T&C events. Wouldn't be going to this one if they sucked. They're good and worth the money for people who put the info to use. They were good about not being too redundant and rehashing old stuff from year to year, too. Looking at the agenda for this one however, http://trafficandconversionsummit.com/agenda/ ... I get the sense there will be some rehashing of previous years material with just minor tweaks.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-23-2013 07:20 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

It's good that people are skeptical and question qualifications and stuff, too bad scandibro is going about it all wrong and not proving his point.

I've been to 3 of the last 4 T&C events. Wouldn't be going to this one if they sucked. They're good and worth the money for people who put the info to use. They were good about not being too redundant and rehashing old stuff from year to year, too. Looking at the agenda for this one however, http://trafficandconversionsummit.com/agenda/ ... I get the sense there will be some rehashing of previous years material with just minor tweaks.

Is Belcher still around? The guy is a really talented marketer.

I find these types of workshops are great for brainstorming. At least for me, they open up a lot of ideas that I can build on and test out.

[007]

I'm a full time IM'er, one day I'll make it down to one of these big conventions, but more for the networking (which is the best reason to go IMO). Love him or hate him, Ryan Deiss is the real deal. His work on video sales letters is amazing, but generally these seminars are quite 'vague' in what they actually teach. For real deal actionable knowledge you are probably better of getting a home study program or hooking up with a coach who will guide you whilst you are building your business. Just my humble opinion. Great point MikeFC made about many internet marketers only making money, teaching people about internet marketing. This does go on way too much, I agree. I just thought I would mention that I actually make most of my money in the non internet marketing niches!

[MikeCF]

(10-23-2013 07:20 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

I've been to 3 of the last 4 T&C events. Wouldn't be going to this one if they sucked. They're good and worth the money for people who put the info to use. They were good about not being too redundant and rehashing old stuff from year to year, too. Looking at the agenda for this one however, http://trafficandconversionsummit.com/agenda/ ... I get the sense there will be some rehashing of previous years material with just minor tweaks.

What specifically did you learn?

How were you able to take action?

How much $$$ did that translate into?

If I'm reading his ad correctly, it's only $500 to attend (and $2,000 after earning cash from what you learn at the seminar).

I don't need to be strong-armed into going to San Diego.

Forum meet-up...?

[scandibro]

Why is Ryan Deiss the real deal?

Who has he written copyletters for except for his own salesletters about writing salesletters?

There are countless copywriters with proven accolades for ad agencies who have written books. Where is the real wold experience of Ryan Deiss outside the IM niche?

[Big Nilla]

007,
They (Perry also) are the real deal, but they are unashamed opportunists. Ryan lifted the VSL stuff off of Jon Benson. They've taken high level info I've shared with them (stupidly) and somehow it found its way into 2 different products of theirs. I appreciated that a lot, but lesson learned. Shut up around them. They do give plenty of specifics at the events.

Mike,
I know you want specifics but I've learned it's usually in my best interest to not talk about what I'm doing (note: above). Most of what I learned at the events I didn't take action on (but to be honest, what I learn and take action on is irrelevant to what you'd learn and take action on). I'm doing good with what I'm doing so I'm not going to an event looking to jump into totally new stuff that doesn't fit with what I'm already doing. There's a whole lot on the 2014 event's posted agenda that looks to be mostly irrelevant for me (examples: mobile, most seo, social marketing, local marketing, blog traffic, and startups).

So why am I going? I consider it continuing education and so far I've always gotten my money's worth at the previous ones. I don't know how much I've made by implementing what I've learned from the past events, but I make over $100,000 a year and I'd like to stay on top of the latest IM stuff (selectively using some of what I learn) so I can continue making a lot of money and also have a safety net of backup IM info I can fallback into just in case what I'm doing starts to fall apart and I need to go in a new direction.

If you go, let me know. I'll meet up with you and Christian (if he goes). Maybe do a couple workouts together, too.

BTW, nobody pays that extra $2,000 or whatever it is. They pay the $500 and that's it. Deiss doesn't expect anyone to make the extra payments. It's a good deal if you can find someone to go with b/c the guest ticket is only $200 more... plus splitting hotel room which looks to be around $300 a night.

Scandibro,
You say he's a fraud and don't prove it yet you want people to prove Deiss is the real deal. Geez man. How about this... he can get 2,000+ people to pay $500+ each to fill a conference room... and OBVIOUSLY sells millions of dollars worth of products year in, year out. Deiss doesn't even claim to be a great copywriter. Besides, Perry Belcher does all the copywriting for them. And they flat out say video sales letters almost always get better conversions than sales letters.

It's painfully obvious just by what you post and the questions you ask that if you're not trolling you're an amateur in IM.

[Vaun]

wasn't Frank Kern already fined massively by the FTC? I am in the internet industry, but not an IM'r. The guys I know and have worked that are extremely successful dont sell info products. Running conferences and selling these products from what I know is far easier than actually doing IM.