[Bienvenuto]

(07-07-2018 11:50 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 05:02 PM)Realbor Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 11:54 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Week 6 of test blast; 400mg test cyp, 400iu HCG, no AI

-Weight is around 200lbs now at 5'9. For a total weight gain of around 7lbs in 6 weeks. Overall a little disappointed after reading others gains on 400mg/week. I think my training volume has not been enough. So I'm going to add in a 4th day of training every week to hit every body part twice.

-Acne is getting pretty bad. Bloods came back with total T @ 1100ng/dl and E2 around 42pg/ml, making both "high" but only slightly out of normal range. I thought my total T would have been a lot higher than 1100. Makes me want to stack and increase T dosage for next cycle. No gyno. Libido is good but I had trouble finishing during round 2 last night. I could also just be getting bored with my main girl.

-Arms are measuring with about 1/4" increase in size. Strength gains in all lifts every week.

-With only 4 weeks remaining I'm going to increase the dosage to 450mg/week. Not a huge leap but I want that extra push towards the finish line.

-Still at 4,000kcal/day, 250g protein and at least 2 servings of veggies per day. I'm eating out way too much and spending a lot on pre-prepared food to save time.

Your testosterone is extremely low for such dose, gear is bunk.

There is definitely something up with the gear. My TT is more than it was on straight TRT so I'm sure there is some real testosterone in there but I don't think its 250mg/ml like it's supposed to be. That and the insane injection pain and swelling after every time I use it...Something ain't right. Will be going with a different source in the future.

Sounds like somethings up.
Im using pharmaceutical grade Sustanon 250ml.
Im pinning similar amounts and its been pain free and easy.

[Checkmat]

Something is definitely up, but what would you guess the actual problem is. What the fuck would cause all of that pain and swelling? Remember, I am seeing better results than when on just TRT so I think at least part of the stuff is legit.

[Checkmat]

Decided to cut the cycle short. Decision was made based on blood results, lack of significant gains, extreme injection pain and the probability of poor quality gear.

Ordered Dbol and two vials of test from a more reputable source. Going back to TRT doses immediately. I can post first dbol cycle updates here if anyone is interested.

My glute is still in a ton of pain from my last injection 4 days ago!

[PhDre]

(06-06-2018 11:35 AM)jbkunt2 Wrote:  

Hi guys,

Got my first lab done ever. I'm 31, fairly lean and workout a good amount. Eat well but do drink quite heavily.

314 total testosterone.

Not good as the normal range starts at 300. I suspected so. Barely ever get morning woodies, etc.

Waiting for 'free testosterone' results still.

Have a referral to a specialist. I think I may consider TRT.

Any thoughts anyone?

Cut back the drinking.
Your estradiol level is probably too high because of it and this limits your testosterone production.

[PUA_Rachacha]

I've been on TRT for over a year now, thought I'd give you fellas an update:

Have been taking test cypionate injections every other day, 12mg each injection. This translates to about 84mg of test per week. I'm also injecting 250iu of hcg 2x per week.

Testosterone levels were always around 900-1,000 ng/dL. Free test was always above range. This caused me to have high e2, so I was taking 12.5mg of aromasin once per week to get between 20-30. Hematocrit levels were also constantly bumping 50, so I started donating blood.

Lastly, I was on Propecia (1mg finasteraide), taking 1mg q.d.

Muscle/strength gains were great on this routine, and my endurance greatly increased. Unfortunately I had zero libido and was always a little bloated. My mood definitely improved since going on TRT (I was depressed before starting), but was nothing amazing.

Seeing that I had zero libido, I decided to finally ditch the Propecia in late May. This was after being on it for two years and having amazing hair gainz.

It took about 2-3 weeks after Propecia cessation until my libido came roaring back. Before I pretty much always had to take Viagra when making love to my wife, and I was never really in the mood. Orgasms were also super weak too. Lastly, I never really checked out other girls and didn't get the reason why guys would hit on girls or go out to bars.

Now, my dick is rock hard in an instant, no Viagra needed. Had sex with my wife 4x last week, could've gone at it even more. Kissing her, geting a BJ, everything is much more sensual/pleasurable. Her smell is turning me on too. Wife has become super happy and is now very compliant.

I'm staring at every HB5 now in NYC analyzing how I can sleep with her. My libido is definitely at teenager levels.

Other things I've noticed with DHT coming back:

1) I've lost some water weight. Look definitely leaner/more athletic now.
2) My beard has started filling in more. Was patchy in some spots, not anymore
3) I've been hitting PRs in the gym recently. I've done nothing to change this, so it has to be the DHT.
4) While I said that my mood was improved on TRT, it's definitely even better now. Barely in a bad mood anymore, feel more confident, laughing more.
5) Latest test reading was 675 ng/dL. Free test has gone back in range. E2 was 11, so I ditched aromasin, and now I expect it to be in range. Hematocrit dropped to 46. Blood pressure is lower. All improvements in my opinion.
6) Girls on the street are definitely checking me out more, I don't think it's coincidence. Before no chick would ever really give me a look.

The only downside is obviously I'm starting to shed hair. Nothing dramatic, but I'll be going back to a Norwood 2 within six months. It sucks, but the benefits greatly outweigh the drawbacks.

This is just my experience with trt and Propecia, everyone's mileage will vary. If I didn't have any sides from Propecia I would still be on taking it, no doubt. But to feel chemically castrated for years really starts to impact your quality of life.

Man, do I miss having a boner on command...

[Bienvenuto]

(07-17-2018 10:16 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  

I've been on TRT for over a year now, thought I'd give you fellas an update:

Have been taking test cypionate injections every other day, 12mg each injection. This translates to about 84mg of test per week. I'm also injecting 250iu of hcg 2x per week.

Testosterone levels were always around 900-1,000 ng/dL. Free test was always above range. This caused me to have high e2, so I was taking 12.5mg of aromasin once per week to get between 20-30. Hematocrit levels were also constantly bumping 50, so I started donating blood.

Lastly, I was on Propecia (1mg finasteraide), taking 1mg q.d.

Muscle/strength gains were great on this routine, and my endurance greatly increased. Unfortunately I had zero libido and was always a little bloated. My mood definitely improved since going on TRT (I was depressed before starting), but was nothing amazing.

Seeing that I had zero libido, I decided to finally ditch the Propecia in late May. This was after being on it for two years and having amazing hair gainz.

It took about 2-3 weeks after Propecia cessation until my libido came roaring back. Before I pretty much always had to take Viagra when making love to my wife, and I was never really in the mood. Orgasms were also super weak too. Lastly, I never really checked out other girls and didn't get the reason why guys would hit on girls or go out to bars.

Now, my dick is rock hard in an instant, no Viagra needed. Had sex with my wife 4x last week, could've gone at it even more. Kissing her, geting a BJ, everything is much more sensual/pleasurable. Her smell is turning me on too. Wife has become super happy and is now very compliant.

I'm staring at every HB5 now in NYC analyzing how I can sleep with her. My libido is definitely at teenager levels.

Other things I've noticed with DHT coming back:

1) I've lost some water weight. Look definitely leaner/more athletic now.
2) My beard has started filling in more. Was patchy in some spots, not anymore
3) I've been hitting PRs in the gym recently. I've done nothing to change this, so it has to be the DHT.
4) While I said that my mood was improved on TRT, it's definitely even better now. Barely in a bad mood anymore, feel more confident, laughing more.
5) Latest test reading was 675 ng/dL. Free test has gone back in range. E2 was 11, so I ditched aromasin, and now I expect it to be in range. Hematocrit dropped to 46. Blood pressure is lower. All improvements in my opinion.
6) Girls on the street are definitely checking me out more, I don't think it's coincidence. Before no chick would ever really give me a look.

The only downside is obviously I'm starting to shed hair. Nothing dramatic, but I'll be going back to a Norwood 2 within six months. It sucks, but the benefits greatly outweigh the drawbacks.

This is just my experience with trt and Propecia, everyone's mileage will vary. If I didn't have any sides from Propecia I would still be on taking it, no doubt. But to feel chemically castrated for years really starts to impact your quality of life.

Man, do I miss having a boner on command...

I am on TRT atm and experience both huge libido and hair loss.

My solution is to get a hair transplant in the medium term as a good procedure can be acquired fairly cheaply overseas.

Rachacha Im sure you will agree that there is something special about being inside a girl and just staying still and smiling while swelling your cock to 2.0 on thought command, then 3.0, then 3.5..

[PUA_Rachacha]

(07-18-2018 09:15 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

Rachacha Im sure you will agree that there is something special about being inside a girl and just staying still and smiling while swelling your cock to 2.0 on thought command, then 3.0, then 3.5..

You know it brother, my cock is at my beck-and-call and obeys ME!

Hair transplant may be tricky because almost all transplant doctors put you on Propecia after the surgery to preserve the remaining hair that is sensitive to DHT.

[casa-nostra]

Whats difference between Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone blood test ? is the Free more accurate,significant than Total ?

[rotinz]

I'm to young to really think about taking test injections but if it has possibility to increase height and improve frame I might take it. I think HGH and other hormones are more suited to increasing height and frame though. legs solidify before the torso does and different body parts stop growing at different times but I heard at age 25 your basically done growing from legs to torso to arms to general bone density and frame. I'm 21 so I still have years until I'm 25 so I want to take some hormones while I have the chance to improve my height/frame. Anyone have any suggestions?

[chicane]

The first thing I would recommend is to read "Master your T". It's a very detailed investigation on micronutrients and their effect on testosterone. Lots of good advice on supplements as well as how to get them via your diet.

I just started with a new trainer and he is getting me information on a local doctor who does the sort of testing on micronutrients and T levels I'm looking for. At my advanced age, my testosterone levels need all the help I can manage.

[jbkunt2]

I just got a panel done and I am a bit lost looking at the results. Everything says it's ''in range' but I've read range does not mean optimal whatsoever.

I'm 31 and my results are post here - https://imgur.com/8XNJa7I

Would be extremely grateful for anyone's thoughts please.

Thank you.
JB

[jbkunt2]

I would like to do another test.

Can anyone recommend a good panel to choose from Private MD Labs or similar?

I did the female hormone panel and was thinking it might be worth getting a more in-depth one?

[birthday cat]

jbkunt2 - does the JB stand for John Bozzzzz?

You started a separate thread about this, you've bumped several threads about this, you've PM'ed me, etc. I have no problem with guys PM'ing me but you have a long list of threads about topics that didn't need new threads. You ask a lot of questions about a lot of topics and you never do minimal research on your own.

Your testosterone looks good. Your estradiol appears to be low but it's inconclusive. I don't think you took the ultra-sensitive estradiol test so the test probably isn't very accurate but the standard test usually overestimates the value and your value is still coming up low. So it's just a guess but your estradiol is probably in range but low similar to your LH and FSH.

If you are having health problems then you should probably see a doctor. It is possible that you have a pituitary or hypothalamus issue which is causing some of those values to be low but I'm not a doctor and this forum isn't your private doctor.

[ìlikegirls]

What is the best range for free T? In my last check it was 31 pg/ml. Range 27,3 - 69,3. (I started checking it about one year ago, I think I checked 3-4 times results were always the same)

Is that low?

I have read that boron it may increase free T. Does anyone have experience with it? I tried to ask to my doctor but he doesn't know anything about boron dosage. On Google I read Boron dosage should be 10 mg daily.

My total T it's over 1.000, I'm taking D vitamin and other supplements like Mg, Omega 3 ecc, Zink level was fine 1.100 (range 800-1.600).

I forgot to tell my SHBG are usually high like 70-80 nmol/l while range is 13-81 nmol/l.

[WannaBang]

I took 12mg born (3-4 doses a day) for a month (along with mucuna pruriens) and free test rose slightly 10% or so (based on before and after blood tests). My SHBG was (and still is) even higher than yours but it also lowered slightly (like 10%).

[Menzilci]

Hey guys.
I've been using these injections for 4 months now, started at 250mg/week, then jumped to 500/week, now cruising at 200/week.

I didn't train that much, did not follow a really strict diet.
Here are some before and after pics.
Before after 3 months




After 4 months.



So guys, is there a good difference?

[kaotic]

You expect us to be able to see differences with those pics? Are you trolling us?


You need to have a chick take before pics (in just boxers) of your back, your side, your front.

Then do the same exact thing when you jump from blasting to cruising.


Why in god's name didn't you tune your diet and hit the gym hard on test?

You literally wasted your cycle if I'm being honest.

Why did you even jump on test to begin with?

[the Thing]

(08-06-2018 07:01 AM)Menzilci Wrote:  

I didn't train that much, did not follow a really strict diet.

Get that shit sorted BEFORE you hop on gear

[Menzilci]

(08-10-2018 03:22 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You expect us to be able to see differences with those pics? Are you trolling us?


You need to have a chick take before pics (in just boxers) of your back, your side, your front.

Then do the same exact thing when you jump from blasting to cruising.


Why in god's name didn't you tune your diet and hit the gym hard on test?

You literally wasted your cycle if I'm being honest.

Why did you even jump on test to begin with?

Yeah I made a stupid mistake. So what should I do now? End the cycle? Or follow a strict diet and blast?

[Menzilci]

The difference between before and after pics is huge when I'm shirtless, had a lot of girls compliment on how muscular I am when I used Tinder with a fake profile. The thing is I don't care about my shirtless version because I'm not in some beachside resort. I'm suited up everyday and I want to look muscular under that white shirt.

[Space Shuttle Door Gunner]

I started my first cycle:
600 mg EQ, 250 Test E / week

My intentions is to go the safe route and make some decent powerbuilding gains. I also read EQ helps with cardio endurance, I'm an athlete so that is a plus. What kind of gains should I expect from this cycle?

[the Thing]

(08-12-2018 09:36 AM)Menzilci Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 03:22 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You expect us to be able to see differences with those pics? Are you trolling us?


You need to have a chick take before pics (in just boxers) of your back, your side, your front.

Then do the same exact thing when you jump from blasting to cruising.


Why in god's name didn't you tune your diet and hit the gym hard on test?

You literally wasted your cycle if I'm being honest.

Why did you even jump on test to begin with?

Yeah I made a stupid mistake. So what should I do now? End the cycle? Or follow a strict diet and blast?

Find out what your BMR and TDEE is
Get a kitchen scale
Start counting literally every single thing that goes into your mouth
Aim for +500 cal above your TDEE for a clean bulk
Get a gym membership (if you dont have one)
Google "Stronglifts 5x5"
Do it for at least 6 months natty (or on cruise, at this point it's really up to you since you're already on gear but NOT on blast)
THEN start blasting gear

If you decide to go natty make sure you do proper PCT, or if you want to cruise that's also fine provided you understand the risks. Which I don't think you do. So look up the risks. Personally I'd cruise given how shitty PCT makes you feel. Get your bloodwork done to make sure nothing funky's up.

Optionally: Learn how to tie a necktie. Widest part of necktie should be at upper edge of belt.

[Menzilci]

Shalom, Erev Tov!

My personal trainer got me into this gear shit, but I cut off all ties with him because he was ripping me off. He was making 300-400% profits on the gear he sold me. The fucker tried to get me to use Tren on my first cycle. Asshole. I ditched him and refused to use Test E + Deca + Dianabol and only used Test E .

Now I found a very good source, I'm able to get Iranian Testesterone right out of the pharmacy, so I'm certain its not bunk gear.

I know what PCT is, but I don't want to do it. I feel so great on test, I wanna be on this shit indefinitely, I'm only scared of infertility problems later down the road as I'm not using HCG right now.

[Dulceácido]

Nice. So, to sum things up: You want to do testosterone for muscle gain and to improve your physique. You don't work out hard. You don't have a diet/nutrition plan. You're worried about the side effects and infertility. You don't want to cycle off and use post cycle therapy. You don't use HCG. You take before and after pics fully dressed that look identical. You wear a suit ever day, yet cannot properly tie a necktie.

Sounds legit.

[Menzilci]

(08-13-2018 11:13 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Nice. So, to sum things up: You want to do testosterone for muscle gain and to improve your physique. You don't work out hard. You don't have a diet/nutrition plan. You're worried about the side effects and infertility. You don't want to cycle off and use post cycle therapy. You don't use HCG. You take before and after pics fully dressed that look identical. You wear a suit ever day, yet cannot properly tie a necktie.

Sounds legit.

I am not trolling. I really am on gear, I couldn't eat that hard because I use ritalin daily for my ADHD and it fucks up my appetite. There were weeks were I went to gym 3 times a week, there were weeks when I went once.


I can send you a shirtless pic if you want, there is a huge difference, very remarkable one. But obviously I dont want to put it up on a public forum. Btw that neck tie is a zip on tie, you don't need to tie it.

Anyway proof that I'm on gear