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(06-20-2014 01:30 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  

[Hector_St_Clare]

(12-16-2014 12:29 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:03 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Gio, how are the reactions from the girls when they find out your real age

Some say I'm too old, some don't.

It's just that simple.

I may lose some girls that I would have gotten if I lied, but, I will also gain some girls who respect my honesty and prefer an older man.

I was just sick of lying. Lying comes from weakness and fear. I have evolved past that.

I think I agree, and I'm looking forward to see how well you can do from henceforward. Mostly because I've been taking inspiration from your adventures, and because I don't want to lie either. I think the trick for you (and me) is a numbers game. If only a minority of girls are interested in an older man, then this means we just have to increase the number we approach.

[Hector_St_Clare]

(12-24-2014 04:18 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:05 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 01:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I may lose some girls that I would have gotten if I lied, but, I will also gain some girls who respect my honesty and prefer an older man.

In the end, does the new strategy of going honest make a net gain or loss? Any change in quality by using the new approach?

I have seen a huge net gain in my own confidence, peace of mind and inner happiness.

As far as quantity of girls and quality of girls, I don't have enough data yet to be able to answer your question.

Honestly, the psycho-emotional gains I have received from being authentic outweigh any sexual gains that I may receive.

My overall emotional health is more important than my sexual health.

I think that being more authentic will bring me even more girls, in the long run.

(12-22-2014 08:59 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

'"aren't you a little too old for me?"

should that be treated as a shit test or just a way of stating why she isn't interested?

Neither.

This should be treated as flirtation.

Flirt back.

Yup. Honesty is usually a good path to follow, I think. If you're comfortable with yourself, then I think the self confidence is going to help attract girls and maybe compensate somewhat for the girls that you lose out on.

What would your suggestions be for 'flirting back', specifically, in response to that question?

[Giovonny]

(01-04-2015 03:44 PM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

we just have to increase the number we approach.

I agree. As I get older, I know it may get harder to pull 18-19 year olds.

I plan to increase my approaches by doing the following:

- online game

- social media

- "sugardaddy" websites

- Fetish scenes

- Living closer to major universities

- Travel

- etc.

(01-04-2015 03:50 PM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

'"aren't you a little too old for me?"

What would your suggestions be for 'flirting back', specifically, in response to that question?

Smile/smirk. Laugh/chuckle. Stay calm. Keep your frame and sense of humor.

Then, maybe say something like this..

"I don't know. How old are you?"

"Sorry, I don't mean to flirt with you, you are in your 20s?"

"Maybe, I'm not sure yet. You have a mature vibe about you"

"I don't know yet"

etc.

[Saladin]

As a 21 year old this thread is inspiring.

I'm glad to know that guys are killing it in their late 30s. It gives me a good feeling to know that I'm not going to have to worry about the "age" issue for many years and that I'll be able to hook up with hot young girls for a long time.

Right now I pretty much only bang girls in the 18-21 range, because of the fact that I'm young. This thread has made me grateful of that fact, and happy that things will only get better from here as my SMV keeps improving due to the work I put in.

[Clint Barton]

Living in a big city like NYC / SF / LA makes it easier to date younger. The sheer volume of girls here provide more opportunities to find the ones that are down to date a much older man.

[0210]

(12-18-2014 11:30 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Brilliant strategy. It gets you through the age filter. But then you're not perceived as lying because you told them your real age before they found out your Tinder age is wrong.

Do you have a read on what is happening here?

Is it that 18-22 year old girls who want guys their own age will filter out even a 28 year old?

Is it that you're building enough attraction before they find out your age that they don't care?

Or do you think they just don't care in the first place?

[kaotic]

(01-13-2015 01:16 AM)0210 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:30 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I've used 28 as my age on tinder but am in my mid 30s. I always tell my real age within 30 minutes of meeting. No girl has ever balked and I've closed on some of those first dates.

Brilliant strategy. It gets you through the age filter. But then you're not perceived as lying because you told them your real age before they found out your Tinder age is wrong.

Do you have a read on what is happening here?

Is it that 18-22 year old girls who want guys their own age will filter out even a 28 year old?

Is it that you're building enough attraction before they find out your age that they don't care?

Or do you think they just don't care in the first place?

I'd like to chime in on this:

I've met girls and have dropped into a conversation my real age. They don't flinch they just laugh and go along with it.

For 18-20 year old girls I usually will lie, HOWEVER, I'll ask their dating history, as in the oldest they been with, build in red pill facts that "girls like dating older men anyways" "older men have their balls, are aggressive and know what they want"

If these are agreed to especially (enthusiastically) I'll reveal my age. If it's just a one and done that's younger, I don't even bother.

I've never been rejected, yet.

I banged a 22 year old ONS from Tinder, I revealed that I was 28, played the, I made a fake FB for Tinder, because work won't let me have FB, and I can't change the age, card.
I fucked up a bang with a 24 year old smoke show milf from OKC, when I told her I was 28 I played the, I didn't know how to change it and wanted to tell you in person, card. She preferred older men and I'm the one who fucked upped the bang (a whole another story).

But following this formula most girls don't give a shit, especially if you know you're the shit and build comfort or confidence into the conversation.

Like I said, if you think it'll be an issue, then lie about your age (I just banged an 18 year old because of this). It's not like you're getting into a relationship (with 99% of them).

[0210]

kaotic: Interesting stuff.

Does this mean that in your experience, HB's won't usually reject you because of age alone, as long as they're at least 21 and already like you?

You said you're 28...do you think it's a different story for guys in their 30's or even 40's?

[kaotic]

(01-13-2015 02:56 AM)0210 Wrote:  

kaotic: Interesting stuff.

Does this mean that in your experience, HB's won't usually reject you because of age alone, as long as they're at least 21 and already like you?

You said you're 28...do you think it's a different story for guys in their 30's or even 40's?

I haven't had a girl flat out disqualify because of my age, reason being, my age never gets brought up, the way I dress/act/appear is young as well.

Never reveal your age until asked, why bother ? If a girl never asks, that's her fault. You don't have to disclose it, or give it away by saying certain things (year your graduated, when you turned 21, etc).

If a girl likes you (read: strong game) she usually won't give a shit after the fact.

Most girls who are 21, IMHO are open to dating into late 20's and older.

Yes I'm 28, and yes I think it might be for men in the 30-40's however, it's been done, this forum has proven it.

Gio isn't that old (I think) but he picks up young girls WAY more than I ever have. Check his shit out !

[ksbms]

Reproductive fitness somewhat correlates with age (if you look on the internet, you'll find statistical data that males' earning power peaks from around mid-thirties, I believe) but it became less relevant since women became more financially independent and more gets higher education in Western countries on average, than males. Luckily, individual preferences that females have and multitude of other factors from earning power to intelligence to physical prowess that they seek in a mate influence females openness to different age brackets. For example, I was on date with girl A and girl B (both < 20yo) rendering them more than 10 years my junior. Girl A wasn't having it, girl B got only more excited. Needless to say, girl A disappeared, girl B ended in my bed. What's the conclusion? Some people prefer oranges, some apples, some both, some neither.

I'd agree with other posters, no reason to reveal age not asked, especially on a presumption that a big age disparity may make her question if she should move forward. Having said that, if the game is strong and girl likes you, in most cases she will disregard it as long as she sees you to have what she finds attractive about you.

Statistically, majority of females dates males 1-3 years older. There might by different explanations behind that, depending whom you'd ask. For example, consider higher education. Age bracket in this setting is quite narrow, thus most people who have sex/relationships would in data analysis show little to no disparity. In the workplace this disparity will be a bit higher, and so on. Particular settings usually physically limit (with the exception of the internet) access to potential partner matches. That's why often actors date actors, doctors date doctors.

Day game avails a player to smoothly transgress those limitations and let him pick the cream of the crop.

[OregonToSoCal]

One of the theories I read either somewhere on here or another blog was that if a girl's dad is older than you there is a higher chance she will be open to dating you. For example if she's 19 and you're 40 but her dad is 50 in her mind it's not as "creepy" as if her dad is the same age as you or younger. The very young women I've dated have all had dads who were older than me.

[DonnyGately]

I think they mostly don't give a fuck if they're DTF. If she's horny and you look good and spit game she's yours. I just met another HB8 20-yr old and we're having an ice cream date tomorrow. She's got a very nice body from the outside, may have to revise that upwards once I get her naked.

[DonnyGately]

Update: wasn't so jazzed about her face, not really interested in seeing her again although great spinner body, she's blowing up my phone, probably noticed I wasn't into her when she left. No doubt dozens of thirsty guys are telling her how pretty she is and getting nowhere. TGfGame.

[CrackerDaddy]

(10-09-2013 09:12 PM)Screwston Wrote:  

Where are the best places to meet this age group? Cant really do college campuses right now.

Malls

[Giovonny]

(07-18-2017 05:32 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Just banged a 20 year old latina!

They love older men!

Met her on Tinder. She just finished her sophomore year of college and returned to the city. She was looking for some summer fun.

We actually had great chemistry from the start. I liked her pictures and she likes mine. I would rate her a 7 to 7.5. She is 21 years younger than me.

--

I have become very aggressive about my appearance.

I upgraded my barber and hairstyle, I upgraded my wardrobe, I have added muscle to my body.

I took good pictures. Dating apps reward good looking men. I worked very hard to be "good looking".

Grocery shopping, preparing and storing fresh food, washing dishes, cooking, going to bed early, avoiding peasant food made with chemical slop, learniing how to dress, getting more masculine, boxing, learning how to lift weights, learning how to speak, studying confidence and charisma, stretching, drinking water, taking naps, avoiding stress, making juice, eating vegetables, staying out of the sun,......... THAT IS HOW I CONTINUE TO GET YOUNG PUSSY!!!

--

Details,

We matched on tinder. I messaged her 25 minutes after matching..

me: hey raquel! happy monday! nice matching with you

her: hi gio happy monday to you

It was on from there. We messaged each other off and on for 24 hours but by Wednesday, we had made plans to drink beer and walk along the waterfront.

We continue texting off and on, sometimes, she doesn't respond for hours...

I don't hear from her Thursday so I text her Thursday night:

me: are we really gonna drink beer and walk along the water? if u feel like doing something else that's cool too

She didn't respond.

I wake up the next day and she actually had responded at 2am while i was sleeping.

her: hey yes im still down if u are

I reply Friday morning:

me: sounds good, text me after work, I wanna do sushi I think

Friday night comes...

She flakes! Didn't respond to my texts!

I'm a little worried..

I wake up Saturday and their is another late night text from her!!

her: so sorry can we hang out tonight tmw is my day off so I can stay out late lol

I sense that she is ready. It's almost like it was all a big "shit test", that I passed by keeping my cool at all times and never over reacting emotionally.

We plan to meet at 6 on Saturday.

Around 3, I start to feel a little nervous.. I know she must be feeling a little nervous also so I send a comforting text:

me: im slightly nervous but excited to meet u in person.. if there is no chemistry, I will just get on the train and go back home no worries

She doesn't respond. I know she is wondering how often I do this..

I send her a text that addresses this:

me: if u have any concerns or ?s please feel free to communicate with me.. i want i to be totally comfortable.. I dont have any expectation.. lets just enjoy the summer vibe and see where it takes us... normally I wouldn't expect to connect with a girl ur age but i guess sometimes the chemistry just works..

She didn't respond.

Until 30 minutes after we were supposed to meet:

her: on my way

She showed up looking great, we immediately opened some strong beers and walked along the ocean as the sun was setting... The conversation was good... We smoked a joint... a few hours later, we were on the subway back to my house.... She started to touch me.. allowing our knees to touch, etc.

--

Shit!! I didn't clean my apartment! I wasn't expecting her to come over on the first date!

We enter and I keep the lights dim, I immediately start cleaning as I get her situated on the couch. Fuck! I have papers scattered all over the place! I hope she doesn't see anything with my birth date on it! She thinks I'm 34!

She picks up my little league baseball card and says "aww how cute".

She turns is over and tries to read the back. I have the lights turned low so there is not enough light to read the old, faded card. Thank God! The cards shows my age as 10 in 1985!! That was close!

I stall and clean as much as I can until I join her on the couch... It quickly turns into a fuck fest! She was really good and eager to please + submissive. I honestly think she wanted an older man.

She passed out. I want to go to sleep but my place is a mess and I don't want her to wake up and she the garbage and dirty clothes and dishes... I clean my apartment from 2-4am as she is passed out in my bed. Bathroom looks and smells clean!

I pass out. We stay in bed for the next 24 hours. She was horny!

Sunday night at 8pm, I drop her off at the subway station. She says she wants to come back next weekend.

I got "speed bumps", molluscum contagiosum"

I need to update this thread

[Cattle Rustler]

My favorite RVF season is Giovnny posting season.

[Sebastian]

You must tell your age before telling advices and stories I believe. Picking up 18 year olds at 20 vs over 30 is different world just like picking up cute white girl in states vs some chick in SEA

[chitown72]

(07-18-2017 07:33 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

You must tell your age before telling advices and stories I believe. Picking up 18 year olds at 20 vs over 30 is different world just like picking up cute white girl in states vs some chick in SEA

x2. We need to compare apples to apples here...

[Giovonny]

(07-18-2017 07:33 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

You must tell your age before telling advices and stories

I'm 41.

Another 18 year old:

(12-21-2015 03:22 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

She is 18, thin, and cute. I texted her around 10pm:

me: hey michelle hows it going?

her: its good how are you

me: really good thanks. Done with finals?

her: yeah!!

me: awesome! how are you celebrating

her: dinner with friends

me: fun. I know you're a smart girl and you probably think that I'm just trying to sleep with you

her: well.. yeah, thats what it seemed like the other night you're so persistent with a full body massage

me: I'm not denying it, I do want that. But, I also want you to know that I'm actually a really nice guy and im totally normal and responsible etc. Im attracted to you physically and while I dont know you that well I can tell that you are very smart and sweet. I wanted to give you an opportunity to have some fun in a safe space with no strings attached and without worry. It might sound crazy but its also very sexy and I hope you consider it.

her: so like friends with benefits is what you're asking?

me: ya i guess that term would work here

her: what exactly do u mean by have fun? I feel like u are asking for something specific lol

me: nothing specific but like i said the other night.. nothing u dont want and everything you do want. I don't have any expectations, whatever happens is okay

her: well, i'll think about it, friends with benefits is not really my style but i will think about it

me: u deserve some fun, u deserve to be spoiled

her: i mean it all sounds really nice but its a little overwhelming. We're so much different in age.

me: The age difference is not a big deal. You are mature.

her: The age difference makes me a little nervous

me: I want you to be totally comfortable.. Its totally up to you. If you're not interested, no worries sweetie

her: In my head it does sound hot but im not sure if it would really be that way in person

me: yes of course we can never guarantee chemistry in person. If we dont spark than nothng will happen. Its really low risk but high reward for you

her: im shy in person and i dont want you to get your hopes up, I'm a virgin so i dont want you to be disappointed if i dont want to have sex

me: thanks for communicating that. I rspect u and ur body 100%.. maybe u should consider drinking a little bit to loosen up. Like i already said -- nothing u dont want and everything u do want. I dont expect u to lose ur virginity this week but i want u to know im happy to massage you, caress you, and maybe give you oral or something if u wanted that.

her: that sounds amazing!

--

Got a date with this asian 18yo freshman tonight!

So, Saturday night, she said she was nervous, I knew she was overthinking and unsure.. Remember, this an an 18 year old virgin! She knows I am much older than her..

I continued to build comfort over text:

her: you're going to hate me

me: why would i hate u?

her: this all sounds so nice, almost like a fantasy but it makes me nervous and scared, I feel like I keep going back and forth with you and that's probably really annoying. So I think maybe this isn't a good idea. I don't want to be flaky with you. You're probably way to mature to be dealing with me. I dont want you to hate me

me: Its totally ok sweetie, i wanted it to be like a fantasy for you. As u get older u will realize that we do have the power to make our fantasies a reality, we just have to have the courage and imagination to try. I know it was a little over whelming for u.. I want u to be comfortable.. I really wanted to please u tonight but maybe some other time..

her: Ugh ur so sweet! it makes me mad!

me: why does it make u mad?

her: cause i feel terrible

me: ya ur fear is irrational and illogical, there is no data to support it. You have my phone number, my home address + Uber records, etc. I would have to be suicidal to harm u because I would literally be throwing my life away! I like my life!

her: Do u usually go for girls as young as me?

me: not really, Im actually very picky and I don't date that much lol.. I havent tried to date an asian girl since high school.. I dont know. sometimes, the heart just wants what it wants..

her: I cant come over tonight, i want to but i shouldn't. If i have to think about it this hard i feel like i shouldnt do it. The massage and oral sound amazing but i think that maybe im just sexually frustrated and i will regret it later. Maybe im not ready for this. The age difference makes me apprehensive. im sorry

me: dont over think it. its okay to express ur sexuality sometimes, im a nice guy, i will take good care of you

her: i already over thought it and i can express my sexual needs on my own

me: lol ok.. when u do please yourself, think about me making out with your p*ssy. I want u to put ur hand on top of my head and pull my tongue deeper inside of you

her: shhhh dont do that. You'll make me too horny and it will cloud my judgement.

me: Ive already thought about what we would do.. First, I would deep tissue massage the bottoms of your feet until I felt your while body relax, then i would run your ankles, calves, and thighs, Then, your hips, butt, and back. When you are ready, take your panties off and that will be my signal to start gently licking and sucking on your pussy.. however u want and for as long as u want.

her: I take my panties off???

me: ya the decision is yours. Unless u want me to pull them off with my teeth

her: ya that sounds hotter

me: i want to make u cum all over my tongue

her: well, arent u going to want to be pleased also?

me: u can please me when u are ready to. But the first time is about you

her: it would be rude of me to not please you

me: what would u do to me to please me?

her: well, im good at giving oral or at least ive been told that. I'll rub my boobs against your cock and if ur an ass kind of guy, i can grind on ur cock in reverse cowgirl

me: all of the above...... do u like to be titty fucked?

her: i like my boobs sucked on. as far a titty fucking, my boobs aren't that big so it might be hard but ill try my best

me: (I SENT HER A SHIRTLESS SELFIE)



her: thats a really nice pic

me: U like?

her: yeah i didnt realize u were so muscular!

me: do u have any pics u can send me?

her: (SHE SENT ME A BIKINI PIC) (I won't post it but it was hot!)

me: i like ur body

her: do u work monday

me: no im off monday

her: well i check out of the dorms at 5 but my plane doesnt leave til 9

me: ill pick u up and take u to the airport

her: we cant be late!

me: dont worry i live 5 mins from the airport

her: okay

*

So, thats the plan. I'm supposed to pick her up in about 5 hours, take her to my place, massage her, eat her pussy, maybe she will suck me, etc. And, then, I will take her to the airport to fly home for the holidays!

Again, this is an 18yo virgin! If things go well today, maybe there is a decent that chance that she will give me her virginity!!

-----

Monday, we made plans for 5pm.

Monday came and I was a little nervous.. I wasn't sure when I should text her.. I made contact at about 12:30 in the afternoon:


me: hey hows work going? I'm planning on being there at 5pm?

her: going well. okay that's perfect

me: in the same place where we met last time?


She didn't respond for about 45 minutes!

I know she was nervous and scared and thinking of canceling on me!

I had to say something to calm her fear..


me: I have butterflies in my stomach but im excited to see you


She responded!


her: go to the parking lot behind the dorms


Whew! That was close! 2 hours before we were supposed to meet, I know she was thinking about canceling!

That "butteflies" line saved me! I let her know that I was nervous also but being nervous was normal and there was no reason to panic!

One hour before I was supposed to pick her up, I checked in again:


me: want anything from the store?

her: no i think im okay

me: still on schedule for 5pm ?

her: yes

me: k see u at 5

her: k


At 5pm, I pulled my truck into the dorm parking lot and texted her:


me: black truck in spot #42

her: im coming down now


2 minutes later, she came out of the elevator looking even better than I remember! Tight, yoga pants with a fat, little, bubble butt! Exactly what I wanted!


me: hey! over here!

her: hi

me: im soooo nervous!


I grabbed her and gave her a big hug.


her: me too!


The hug helped to relieve some tension.

Admitting that I was nervous helped her to normalize her nervousness, I think.

I helped her load her luggage into my truck and we were off to my house; conversation was good.

She came in, I gave her the tour, I poured two glasses of wine.

I had already texted her a few pics of my apartment so she knew what to expect:



We drank and we made a Beyonce playlist because she said she liked Beyonce.

I lit the candles, we both went pee 2 or 3 times. I asked her if she was ready for her massage..

She laid on that bed in the picture and I began rubbing her feet with coconut oil. Soon, I was rubbing my head into her pussy and she was moaning.. I took off her yoga pants and panties and began gnawing and sucking on her ass and hips..

Her body was a teenage dream! Not an ounce of fat on her; tiny little waist with a round butt and a beautiful, flat, teenage stomach!

Spectacular is an understatement!

*

I started to lick her pussy.

I put on my playlist:

I went crazy! I ate her pussy and licked her beautiful ass!

She came like 3 times.

She wanted me to suck her tits and titty fuck her.

She sucked me, sucked my balls, and licked my ass.

I came all over her chest.

We didn't fuck, she said she wants to remain a virgin.

I don't care, I was more than satisfied.

She fell asleep, I woke her up an hour later and took her to the airport.

I dropped her off, soon she texted me:


her: thank you so much!

me: ur welcome, hope u had fun

her: I had a lot of fun, it was better than i expected

me: do u wanna see me again soon?

her: yes

me: what was ur favorite part?

her: my favorite part was calling u "daddy"

me: did u like getting spanked?

her: it hurt a little but i like it mostly


Soon, she was off to fly home to her parents house.

At 1am, she texted me:


her: I landed!

me: you made it home?

her: yes

me: k good nite sweetie

her: good nite

me: say "good night daddy"

her: good night daddy

This was from last year. I'm just putting all my 18 and 19 year olds in this thread.

[dknightbro]

Man, game recognized

Giovonny's write-up definitely inspired me to what's possible.

18 year olds in his 40s? Gives me hope that improving in game is worth it

Like a whole new level of game...I typically keep my texts short and don't build any sexual convo into it, but maybe it's worth experimenting

[MikeS]

Find a virgin, settle down, they said. At most she'll probably just have licked the balls and assholes of a few dozen guys.

I think I got to start working harder on banging some of those young girls, "virgins" or otherwise. I'm 40 now and I've mostly been with women one to twelve years younger.

[littleG]

#motivation

[Giovonny]

(08-19-2017 10:08 PM)dknightbro Wrote:  

I typically keep my texts short and don't build any sexual convo into it, but maybe it's worth experimenting

Before they let us make love their bodies, we must first make love to their minds..

How can we access their minds.

Through their phones!

Texting is now an Emotional Medium

Your texting is an extension of you personality!

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

(08-20-2017 04:10 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

Find a virgin, settle down, they said. At most she'll probably just have licked the balls and assholes of a few dozen guys.

I think I got to start working harder on banging some of those young girls, "virgins" or otherwise. I'm 40 now and I've mostly been with women one to twelve years younger.

Lol, that made me laugh hard. I guess you can't win them all...