[Glock]

It's good. This is the real cause of female underrepresentation in STEM fields: they just prefer squishy fields.

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.co.uk/2013...n.html?m=1

[scorpion]

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When I reaffirmed that I would only help finance a STEM field about a month ago, she sort of lost her shit and she's dithering and is considering the local branch of UW a few blocks from our house to get the first 2 years in cheap. Except even then, instead of driving less than a mile from home, she wants to live in the dorms they may be building and blow any grants or scholarships on that crap.

This girl knows the score. She understands what college has become in our culture. College is not about education anymore. It's a goddamned vacation; a four-year party and fuckfest. Most girls (and guys to a lesser extent) aren't going to college because they're interested in learning at all. They are simply there for a piece of paper that they believe will entitle them to higher earnings in the future, and to enjoy themselves as much as possible while they jump through the hoops necessary to acquire it.

This is why the girl has no interest in living at home even though she would only be a mile from campus and would save thousands of dollars per year. Living at home would ruin her entire "dream experience" of college life, which includes a lot of sexual and substance experimentation outside of her mother's watchful eye. That's literally the extent of her thought process. There is no consideration of what is prudent or what will set her up best long-term in the future. It's simply a question of: what sort of college arrangement will allow me the most freedom from my parents and the easiest courseload to give me more time for fun?

This is what happens when you water down college by extending loans to millions of students who academically don't belong there. We no longer have institutions of higher learning, they're more like institutions for learning to get high.

[eradicator]

The mother seems equally misguided: wants her daughter to study science or math at yale to pursue a career path that she(the daughter) has no interest in.

I'd probably suggest a couple of years at a junior college that give her some time to both do some partying and find the right field and school at a fraction of the cost. That way if her parents won't help her with the degree she wants, she only would have half as much debt as she would otherwise, hopefully.

[Doctore]

The mother left it too late, the daughter has already been indoctrinated by The Cathedral. She wants to major in the double degrees of cock hopping and partying on her parents' dimes.

And what's with Americans and driving? If she's a mile away from campus, she should be walking so she doesn't turn into a hambeast before turning 22 like so many young university aged girls these days.

[Walderschmidt]

(10-02-2013 07:38 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

This is what happens when you water down college by extending loans to millions of students who academically don't belong there. We no longer have institutions of higher learning, they're more like institutions for learning to get high.

People might as well take a four year vacation and learn what interests them. Save a ton of money.

Wald

[Aliblahba]

(10-02-2013 07:38 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

This girl knows the score. She understands what college has become in our culture. College is not about education anymore. It's a goddamned vacation; a four-year party and fuckfest. Most girls (and guys to a lesser extent) aren't going to college because they're interested in learning at all. They are simply there for a piece of paper that they believe will entitle them to higher earnings in the future, and to enjoy themselves as much as possible while they jump through the hoops necessary to acquire it.

This is why the girl has no interest in living at home even though she would only be a mile from campus and would save thousands of dollars per year. Living at home would ruin her entire "dream experience" of college life, which includes a lot of sexual and substance experimentation outside of her mother's watchful eye. That's literally the extent of her thought process. There is no consideration of what is prudent or what will set her up best long-term in the future. It's simply a question of: what sort of college arrangement will allow me the most freedom from my parents and the easiest course load to give me more time for fun?

This is what happens when you water down college by extending loans to millions of students who academically don't belong there. We no longer have institutions of higher learning, they're more like institutions for learning to get high.

College degrees have lost a lot of credibility in the professional workplace, depending on degree. STEM still holds up, especially in engineering (obviously).

I've watched since the 90's where corporations have moved away from hiring someone just because they had a degree. Now experience and certifications can put you much farther. A friend is in school for network security. Every semester he sees a clear divide.

2 yr degree+no certs=no job
2 yr degree+certs=job
4 yr degree+no certs=no job
4 yr degree+certs=great job

Project Management and certain safety certs can carry far in lieu of college. Its not cut and dried as before. Organizations certifying have high standards, unlike a tier 3 school where you can "C" your way out.

I believe jumping in early and stacking experience is the way to go these days.

For example, job listing from Northrop Grumman, one of the best defense companies to work for.

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Position Summary / Responsibilities:
Oversees and manages the day-to-day operational aspects of the Counter-Rocket, Artillery and Mortar (C-RAM) Program’s OEF Operations projects (currently the Ongoing Contingency Operations (OCO) and Australian Foreign Military Sales (AUS FMS) Case) and serves as liaison between project management and planning, project team, and line management. Reviews status of projects and budgets; manages schedules and prepares status reports. Assesses project issues and develops resolutions to meet productivity, quality, and client-satisfaction goals and objectives. Develops mechanisms for monitoring project progress and for intervention and problem solving with project managers, line managers, and clients. Serves as first-line management liaison with other functional groups within the C-RAM Program to jointly propose solutions to operational issues in OEF with other stakeholder groups (e.g., Production, Logistics, Mission Assurance, etc.) support.

Sounds pretty high speed. Now lets look at the quals.

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Basic Qualifications:
• Bachelor’s degree and 10+ years professional technical or management experience.
• Willingness to support the US military in a war zone/wartime environment (note: this position is CONUS-based, not OCONUS).
• US citizenship; current Secret security clearance.
• Superb written and verbal communications skills.
• Superb problem solving skills.
• Proven analytical and critical thinking skills.
• Ability to be trained in C-RAM Architecture and Sub-Systems Architectures.

Uh oh, a degree was mentioned.

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Preferred Qualifications:
• PgMP® or PMP® certification
• Prior military experience as a field grade officer or Senior NCO, or similar civilian experience (please describe)
• 5+ years direct management experience.
• Understanding of Earned Value Management System (EVMS).
• Prior military contractor experience
• Experience or familiarity with C-RAM System of Systems and military communications systems
• Ability to interface with senior staff, both corporate and Government (U.S. DoD, DoS, DHS, or foreign) Customers
• Local to Huntsville, AL

Both qualification blocks of summaries are different. Here's how it works. This is for a gov't project, and they write the job description. So they match up what a candidate "should" have at that level of work because whoever dreams this shit up lives in lala land.

Who will get this job is a prior military guy with years of experience on CRAM in the ME. And a current clearance. That is a big one. There will be a long interview to make sure the dude isn't a clown and can interface with generals. College won't teach you that.

So this high paying cush job will land in the lap of the guy that went to a military training program and done his time in the trenches. And kept his nose clean.

4 years is a lot of time to lose wasting in college. The tables have turned and there are other avenues to move up, and people are using them.

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-02-2013 08:58 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

People might as well take a four year vacation and learn what interests them. Save a ton of money.

Wald

No bank is going to give an 18 year old 200k to piss off, unless the Federal government is going to back it.

WIA

[Walderschmidt]

(10-02-2013 10:43 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 08:58 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

People might as well take a four year vacation and learn what interests them. Save a ton of money.

Wald

No bank is going to give an 18 year old 200k to piss off, unless the Federal government is going to back it.

WIA

I never said a teenager had to take such money to not go to college. I was saying that instead of paying for college, the parents might as well give the money to their children to pursue what they want outside of college.

Wald

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-02-2013 11:15 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

I never said a teenager had to take such money to not go to college. I was saying that instead of paying for college, the parents might as well give the money to their children to pursue what they want outside of college.

Wald

If you've got parents that have 200k lying around, college and getting a good paying job are the least of your worries.

In America, the vast majority of high schoolers that go on to college are paying for it via loans, grants, and student work.

The degrees are worth less because of the # of people with them
And the actual educations are watered down.

The whole thing is a mess from top to bottom, stem to stern.

WIA

[Walderschmidt]

(10-03-2013 06:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If you've got parents that have 200k lying around, college and getting a good paying job are the least of your worries.

In America, the vast majority of high schoolers that go on to college are paying for it via loans, grants, and student work.

The degrees are worth less because of the # of people with them
And the actual educations are watered down.

The whole thing is a mess from top to bottom, stem to stern.

WIA

That's true. I also think a teenager could learn more on their own for cheaper in four years than what the average university would cost at both low range of cost and high. Or the teenager could just start working and get more value for that.

Wald