[Videl]

Today I met another very hot girl. She is Belarusian. She is a solid 9. Long, lean, real slavic beauty. I met her through class using advice I got here. I don't remember from whom I got this advice but thanks. I already read all of Roosh's books but since I joined this forum. I have amazing results but still no lay.

So I was taking a particular class. I saw this Belarusian girl checking me out from the corner of my eye. I knew I had to make a move but I never had a good opportunity to strike. The class was over and I missed my chance during the brake. Everybody was walking outside. This was my last chance. She was going inside the bathrooms. I saw her friends staying there(1 girl and 1 guy). I talked to the guy earlier. I started chatting to him about if they have the notes of last week. Then switched over to the girl, started building rapport. Before I knew the Belarusian returned from the bathrooms and I totally ignored her by just talking to her friends for 5 minutes. Then she suddenly gets close to me and starts asking me personal question and we find out we need to take the same bus. So we go.

In the bus we talked the whole time. First 10 minutes I talked for the most time. The remaining hour she talked with a lot of giggles from her part. She refused to brake verbal and visual contact even though I looked away couple of times. I even caught her with those pasionate eyes like she is in love. I got her on facebook now.

I really don't want to be friendzoned by her. I heard if I wait to long to make a move. I will be friendzoned. My question is how many days can I wait before I will be friendzoned?

I was thinking about inviting her to have a beer in a bar or inviting her for coffee or even dinner. What is the best choice? Also I know I have to use a lot of kino but I don't want to go for a kiss on the first day necessarily.

Also some people say I should tell her I like her and give compliments so she knows I like her. Do you guys recommend this or is this beta?

My plan was this. Invite her for date. Meet her. Ask how she is doing. Talk about subjects we both share interest in. Tease her and then tell I like her personality/looks.

[Videl]

She is definately more invested in me than I in her. I think this is alpha male behavior but sooner or later I have to ask her to do something. Girls never ask guys out as far as I know, at least in the beginning of the relationship. This is actually another question. After how many dates or after which point will she be attached to me so I don't need to "run" after he but she will be running after me to go somewhere?

[WestIndianArchie]

Here's how it has worked fo rme

1. see girl
2. meet girl
3. have positive interaction

Then
A. wait too long to talk to her, she forgets who I am
B. keep the lines of communication open, and she talks to me a lot...but as a friend..without met correcting her
C. She knows i'm trying to fuck, and she is attracted, but wants to take things slow

To avoid these possibilities
- open the lines of communication
- keep the conversation short, playful, and flirty
- set up the physical meet up as soon as possible
- set the tone of the meet up ASAP

Now these should eliminate the forget factor as well as the friend zone factor.

So after that you're facing typically
- take it slow
- out right rejection

In America, these are actually the same thing for a big part of our target demographic. Take it slow means, I like you a lot and don't want to be a slut like I usually am or, I don't like that you that much and by dragging it out, i'm letting you down easy.

Where you are, might be different. Although I can't imagine a European country where chicks don't fall into bed very quickly, but it just might shake out that way.

So to recap
- hit her up on text/fb/twitter/phone call
- flirt
- set up hang out
- hang out with a purpose
- bang

WIA

[CJ]

(10-01-2013 03:25 PM)Videl Wrote:  

My question is how many days can I wait before I will be friendzoned

There is no time frame, a girl can friend-zone a guy at anytime. One little slip up and she may no longer see you as bangable. She may see you as unbangable from the beginning if you don't meet some criteria she has.

(10-01-2013 03:34 PM)Videl Wrote:  

I was thinking about inviting her to have a beer in a bar or inviting her for coffee or even dinner. What is the best choice?

I can't say for sure for every country, but in America, don't do coffee, don't do dinner, do go out for a few drinks and then go for the bang.

(10-01-2013 03:34 PM)Videl Wrote:  

Also some people say I should tell her I like her and give compliments so she knows I like her. Do you guys recommend this or is this beta?

Guys confuse the whole compliment/insult (neg) thing all the time. You need to feel the girl out, but generally I try to say more compliments, but don't over-do this. Do playfully tease her continually.

(10-01-2013 03:34 PM)Videl Wrote:  

This is actually another question. After how many dates or after which point will she be attached to me so I don't need to "run" after he but she will be running after me to go somewhere?

There's no set amount of dates either. Generally a girl will be more attached after you bang her, unless you don't do it well.

[bojangles]

Boss advice from the above 2 posters, there's lot much more that can be added except let us know how you get on

[Therapsid]

You're worrying too much.

This girl is actively checking you out, initiating conversation, maintaining eye contact, laughing at your jokes and showing all the old-fashioned pickup "indicators of interest" you could ask for save asking you to come home with her.

Ask her out for a drink and escalate all the way to the bang. Everything you've said suggests she's interested in you, at least for the moment, as a man and not a platonic friend. And there's only way to find that out for sure.

[Videl]

(10-01-2013 08:44 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

You're worrying too much.

This girl is actively checking you out, initiating conversation, maintaining eye contact, laughing at your jokes and showing all the old-fashioned pickup "indicators of interest" you could ask for save asking you to come home with her.

Ask her out for a drink and escalate all the way to the bang. Everything you've said suggests she's interested in you, at least for the moment, as a man and not a platonic friend. And there's only way to find that out for sure.

Last time I spoke to her was yesterday. She said we should continue talking on facebook. Should I wait until she messages or should I start? And what should I type?

[Videl]

(10-01-2013 05:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Here's how it has worked fo rme

1. see girl
2. meet girl
3. have positive interaction

Then
A. wait too long to talk to her, she forgets who I am
B. keep the lines of communication open, and she talks to me a lot...but as a friend..without met correcting her
C. She knows i'm trying to fuck, and she is attracted, but wants to take things slow

How do you keep lines of communication open on facebook? What topics do you talking about? I'm asking because some guys on this forum told me my facebook messages to girls were beta. I was asking too many questions.

Quote:

To avoid these possibilities
- open the lines of communication
- keep the conversation short, playful, and flirty
- set up the physical meet up as soon as possible
- set the tone of the meet up ASAP

Could you give exmaples of how to have short playful onversations on facebook and how to flirt on facebook? I have no experience with that.

[Videl]

(10-01-2013 06:53 PM)CJ Wrote:  

I can't say for sure for every country, but in America, don't do coffee, don't do dinner, do go out for a few drinks and then go for the bang.

I was thinking to invite her to dinner but I'm rethinking that. I only know her for one day but we had superb connection. I think better choice with be going out for beers. Thanks.

Quote:

There's no set amount of dates either. Generally a girl will be more attached after you bang her, unless you don't do it well.

How to be sure you bang well? I don't have a lot of experience.

[ralphi]

If this is the only girl you have in your sights then you are wrong.

You need to create a lot of opportunities for yourself by talking to a lot of women. I don't invest much in any single girl. It's a good recipe for failure since when you fail with her there will be nothing else in the works and it's back to day one.

My advice for you is to find a lot of girls like her and eventually the numbers will pan out and you will get something good. Not the one you expected but something good.

I have thought I had it made with certain chicks and everything was aligning perfectly only to fail. That's why I don't really analyze situations to much. Be quick on your feet and have lots of targets

[eradicator]

(10-02-2013 10:24 AM)Videl Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 06:53 PM)CJ Wrote:  

I can't say for sure for every country, but in America, don't do coffee, don't do dinner, do go out for a few drinks and then go for the bang.

I was thinking to invite her to dinner but I'm rethinking that. I only know her for one day but we had superb connection. I think better choice with be going out for beers. Thanks.

Quote:

There's no set amount of dates either. Generally a girl will be more attached after you bang her, unless you don't do it well.

How to be sure you bang well? I don't have a lot of experience.

Try to set up a date with her when you contact her on facebook. Do NOT get into a back and forth over facebook with her-I see guys doing that on here and cringe. If you know how to cook, you can try bringing her over to cook for her. I freaking hate restaurants but some guys on here love them.

What city are you in?
Are you both above drinking age?

[Videl]

What about this one: "hey, I missed your smile".... I haven't spoken to her until yesterday, and we laughed the whole trip. I think it is genuine comment or is it too beta?

[Videl]

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[Therapsid]

(10-02-2013 12:03 PM)Videl Wrote:  

What about this one: "hey, I missed your smile"....

No.

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-02-2013 10:20 AM)Videl Wrote:  

How do you keep lines of communication open on facebook? What topics do you talking about? I'm asking because some guys on this forum told me my facebook messages to girls were beta. I was asking too many questions.

Mind set -

You need to relax your grip on "alpha" and "beta", and focus on the task at hand. Being the strong alpha type who says nothing, or whatever you say is some red pill dripping diatribe straight from the Rollo Tomassi comment section won't get you laid. Nobody cares about how men are being disenfranchised or that the sexual marketplace is tilted towards illogical and irrational young women.

Practical stuff -

ON FB - you send her instant messages and start a convo.

Conversational Topics -
1) What she did today, and how it made her feel.

or

2) What you do today, and how it makes HER feel.

Typical Sequence
a.) Hi, Sup, What up, WAZZUP, Hey, Gutentag - whatever you say

b) "I'm so glad I caught you on here"

c) She responds

d) you continue - "I just had this amazing experience...and only you could figure it out for me"

e) *launch a 3 line story*
I was at the city center
And this guy comes up to me
And he asks...."

f) get her response....

That's it. 5 lines total, conversation should be open.

Once she responds, you break apart what she says by focusing
- nouns she uses
- verbs she uses
- her intent

"What, are you trying to get me killed! There's no way I'm gonna follow him into a van to look at baby dachshund puppies"

And you just play with it.

Then, You ask her what she did, where she's at, how she feels...and use that to fuel your conversation.

Style wise - Short, descriptive, sentences.

Result - Her heart rate is up, smile rate is up.

Transition to when you're gonna meet.

"After my Zombie Survival class, I've got some time open..you wanna meet Thursday @ the bar next to my house"(where we will drink, and i'll tell you great stories, and you'll wind up bed)

But that's basically it.

Do the same in person, same via SMS, same on FB, same with twitter.

When you're in-person flirting, you get instantaneous feedback. Over the inter-webz, all kinds of things can happen. So keep your messaging light, fun, but as short as you can to delight, build interest, and set plans. And most of all, don't take her slow ass responses personal. Bitches love to fade out when instant messaging. She's prolly juggling a bunch of other "important" things to,like Shoe Shopping.

Recap -

Your Mindset - Know that you are an interesting person, a bit of a rogue and troublemaker, you're fun, and you're cool to hang out with, especially at night with alcohol.

That's the mood that I suggest you create.

But you can go other routes. You can express different parts of your personality. Maybe you're an artist. Maybe you're a mechanic. If you're a decent person and fun to be around, a chick will latch on to your best quality.

It all comes back to not being afraid to lose some chick that you barely know. 10 million Belarussians, 5 Million women. 500,000 in your target age bracket, 50,000 of them are probably tens.

So this girl might just be practice in the grand scheme of things. You'll instant message her on facebook, and she doesn't eat up everything you have to say.

That's fine.

When you see her in person, talk her up.

Remember that the only thing stopping you from putting your dick in her, are the words you say and the sheer material of her g-string

WIA

[TheBulldozer]

There is no friend zone. Every female interaction you have should end up in one of these two outcomes:

1. You bang her.
2. She isn't feeling it and doesn't want to see you anymore.

Friendzone exists because beta males let friend zone exist.

[CJ]

(10-02-2013 04:02 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

There is no friend zone. Every female interaction you have should end up in one of these two outcomes:

1. You bang her.
2. She isn't feeling it and doesn't want to see you anymore.

Friendzone exists because beta males let friend zone exist.

I respectfully disagree, there's plenty of girls I keep as friends and have no interest in banging. I prefer to keep girls as friends (over most guys), which becomes very difficult after sex. I also enjoy learning more about how their minds work from hanging out with them. It's kind of like when a player gets traded between teams and knows inside stuff on the other team.

(10-02-2013 10:24 AM)Videl Wrote:  

I was thinking to invite her to dinner but I'm rethinking that. I only know her for one day but we had superb connection. I think better choice with be going out for beers. Thanks.

Dinner is bad because it creates more obstacles (your food and table) from being physical. Why put yourself behind the 8 ball? Also, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER feed a girl after getting drinks, you're better off feeding a Mogwai after midnight.

(10-02-2013 10:24 AM)Videl Wrote:  

How to be sure you bang well? I don't have a lot of experience.

You just know... although when they're screaming, writhing uncontrollably and your back looks like Jesus' in Passion of the Christ, you take a lot of the guesswork out.

[TheBulldozer]

CJ,

Fair point, however I've noticed that no matter how close I am with a girl, she's still playing on the other team. I find out very little useful information from other women. I did appreciate living with other women, however. It was fascinating to see the beast in action.

[Videl]

(10-02-2013 03:59 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Recap -

Your Mindset - Know that you are an interesting person, a bit of a rogue and troublemaker, you're fun, and you're cool to hang out with, especially at night with alcohol.

Hey, thanks for this awesome post. It is going to help aaa lot. I had no problem with being an interesting and funny person to her in the bus where I talked to her for approx 1 hour. She was totally eating up and giggling at everything I said. My cocern is when I go out for drinks I tend to crawl in my shell. I'm good in conversation but after few hours I retreat and stop talking/being boring. Maybe because it is because I don't have anything to say or maybe something else. I know displaying of personality is essential in getting a girl so when we run out of conversation topics, I just start to talk about myself endlessly?

So basically to reflect my current mindset with the desired mindset you explained in the quote I made:
-I can be interesting person to her, but not for a lot of hours, sometimes I crawl into my shell.
-Being trouble maker? That is totally not my personality. Could you give some examples of how to be trouble maker?
-When drinking beer, I always participate in conversation but I'm never the life of the party

[Videl]

I sent her this message: "hey". She saw it two hours ago and didn't reply. ****, I thought I leveled up but now I feel square one again. I met so many hot girls last weeks with so much connection and interest from their side and especially this last girl, the belarusian, we were flirting for an hour and she was showing all the signs. I hope she is just busy. If this girl flakes too it will hurt my will to proceed. I know I have to be less invested in the relationship than the girl but it is getting tiring to not leveling up.

[reino341]

Dude, just the fact that you're making these threads means you're MORE invested in making it work than the girls. Do you think these girls are online on their ladygame forum asking for help how to make it work with this Videl guy. You might think you're less invested and you can fake it to an extent when sending messages, but the earlier texts ["hey, I missed your smile"] are quite indicative of the state of your inner game and how invested you're in getting the girls' approval.

[Videl]

(10-03-2013 12:21 PM)reino341 Wrote:  

Dude, just the fact that you're making these threads means you're MORE invested in making it work than the girls. Do you think these girls are online on their ladygame forum asking for help how to make it work with this Videl guy. You might think you're less invested and you can fake it to an extent when sending messages, but the earlier texts ["hey, I missed your smile"] are quite indicative of the state of your inner game and how invested you're in getting the girls' approval.

I'm not invested in the girl as you think. I'm invested in myself and to improve my game, or better said the game I lack. The most important thing is that I improve and that is why I made this thread. I didn't make this thread for a girl as you are trying to say. And I didn't say, "hey I missed your smile" i was just asking how beta that would be haha.

By the way she responded. See attachment. Once again, she saw the last message but didn't respond. I was hoping to ask her out after this actually but she didn't respond. Is this bad sign? What should I do? Should I start flirting without waiting for her response for my last message? What should I say? I don't want to be friendzoned

[Baldwin81]

Please don't respond with flirty banter. I don't mean to make fun, but that interaction reads like a boss asking the employee about this month's reports. At this point you're doing work for her sending emails, possibly going to visit the professor yourself.

Next time you see her in person ask her out for a drink. No coffee, no dinner. In the meantime change all this energy you have worrying about whether she likes you as a friend or more-than-a-friend into convincing yourself that you don't care whether she comes out with you for a drink or not. Reason I write the last sentence is because, despite your protests to the contrary, you're heavily invested in the outcome.

Flirty banter, even if she responds to your test (the response, if there is one, will probably be to see if you spoke with the professor) is a no go. I wouldn't communicate at all and just wait to talk to her in person.

[Videl]

(10-03-2013 03:47 PM)Baldwin81 Wrote:  

Please don't respond with flirty banter. I don't mean to make fun, but that interaction reads like a boss asking the employee about this month's reports. At this point you're doing work for her sending emails, possibly going to visit the professor yourself.

Next time you see her in person ask her out for a drink. No coffee, no dinner. In the meantime change all this energy you have worrying about whether she likes you as a friend or more-than-a-friend into convincing yourself that you don't care whether she comes out with you for a drink or not. Reason I write the last sentence is because, despite your protests to the contrary, you're heavily invested in the outcome.

Flirty banter, even if she responds to your test (the response, if there is one, will probably be to see if you spoke with the professor) is a no go. I wouldn't communicate at all and just wait to talk to her in person.

So, you suggest I don't continue chatting her up on facebook? Next time I see her is going to be next tuesday in class. I won't have much time talking to her. And how should I ask her out? By the way I though Roosh said you need to take contact with the girl within 4 days otherwise she will write you off.

[Videl]

****, you are right, she is treating me like a teacher/professor. And last tuesday she was all flirty, giggly and all up my face not breaking eye contact, talking and eye fucking me at the same time for one hour in the bus.