[Kid Strangelove]

So right around the time I saw Roosh post his prediction for 2014 - I was having a movie marathon day for myself and decided to check out Don Jon.


It's difficult to talk about a movie like this without spoiling it, but, to make a long story short - it's fantastic, but incredibly poorly advertised.

Some commercials make it seems like it's a movie about porn addiction, some make it seem like it's a romantic comedy with Scarlett Johansson doing her best guido accent. It's not.

It's a very complicated exploration and criticism of modern "mating", warped viewpoints, searching for meaning in life, and some "red pill" shit on dealing with life, crazy bitches, family, support systems, personal growth, etc

I highly recommend this movie to anyone.

We can talk about some of the details of this movie later on once a few people have seen it. I don't want to spoil this movie - it's that good. Shit - I looked around the theater - guys with dates were looking legit uncomfortable, because that movie showed some ugly truths

[Rutting Elephant]

Is it not inspired by Jersey Shore?

[cardguy]

Just saw the trailer. I don't watch many films, but might check this one out.

On the basis of the trailer it seems to touch on the question I raised in the porn thread that I started yesterday.

[cardguy]

Scarlett Johnansson is in the film. And in the movie she is considered so hot that she is pretty much an 11/10.

Well - I know alot of people say this - but to me Scarlett Johansson is a 7 (8 - with alot of makeup). It seems it is fashionable to find her ridiculously hot - because she is not intimidating to girls in the way a genuinely super hot girl is. And she seems talented - which again makes it 'acceptable' to praise her beauty since she doesn't just need that aspect to define her self-image.

[MikeCF]

The movie was legit. It was the first movie (that I've seen) where men and women are called out for their bullshit.

The ending was good because it wasn't an unrealistic depiction of what might happen.

[2Wycked]

(09-30-2013 11:44 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

The movie was legit. It was the first movie (that I've seen) where men and women are called out for their bullshit.

The ending was good because it wasn't an unrealistic depiction of what might happen.

Really? I may just have to see it tonight.

[w00t]

Sounds good thx for the suggestion.

[MikeCF]

(09-30-2013 11:49 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

Really? I may just have to see it tonight.

You would appreciate it.

I wouldn't say I "liked" it, in the sense that I actually enjoyed watching Riddick.

But it was a legit film in that it took on gender relations in a reasonable, realistic manner.

[articulatecool]

Saw the movie last night. I walked out of the theatre thinking it was very well done. Great message. I very seldom say that about movies.

[TheSlayer]

(09-30-2013 11:44 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

The movie was legit. It was the first movie (that I've seen) where men and women are called out for their bullshit.

The ending was good because it wasn't an unrealistic depiction of what might happen.

Interesting. I guess it would be refreshing to see a movie where the guy doesn't completely change himself and ends up a happily ever after married beta chump to the girl.

[cardguy]

Does the guy change his ways, give up porn and find love at the end of the film? I hope not because that is too much of a cliche. Just tell me now - to save me being disappointed.

[J DOE]

(10-03-2013 10:48 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Does the guy change his ways, give up porn and find love at the end of the film? I hope not because that is too much of a cliche. Just tell me now - to save me being disappointed.

Not only that, but with a woman my mothers age.

[Duke Castile]

SPOILERS

Saw the movie last night based on kidstrangelove's recommendation.

It was....OK IMO.

Johnny (Joseph Gordon Levitt) is a simple guy that is addicted to porn but gets hot ass when he wants it. He claims he'd rather have porn because, it's better than real sex (because the girl more or less won't do everything the porn girls do).

That reason to me isnt accurate, (the movie is written by Gordon Levitt so I wonder what he's doing wrong). I always have porno sex with girls so I couldn't relate to that complaint.

Still, I think we all know that porn is bad for guys to watch a lot of because it does interfere with sexual performance and expectations.

Barbara, (Scarlette Johanson) is a completly spoiled and controlling cunt, who is addicted to love stories and believes every man should "give up everything and do anything for the girl if he loves her". This is more realistic to me since most women have ridiculous ideas about the reality. At one point she calls him "selfish" and he points out that her view of love is one sided and selfish. This unnerves her and she takes personal offense and actually gets angry with him for suggesting something that challenges her worldview.

The story get's blue pill/feminist when some busted old lady (Julieanne Moore) attracts Johnny's sexual interest and she teaches him that "making love" is a two way street.

The idea that this kid who was banging hot ass and looking at porn could somehow be attracted to her saggy skin and skeletor face is just ......stupid, for lack of a better word. "Absurdly reaching" could maybe describe it better.

Anyway, the parallels between the porn and the romance movies are poorly shown because all you see is the negative effects to Johnny but the negatives to Barbara are not linked very well. I get the feeling this is the editors fault but who knows?

There are a few funny moments mostly from Johnny's road rage and family life....but the sidekicks are pretty stereotypical. You have the ugly fat italian kid who can't bang anyone and then you have the brotha that makes all the exaggerated faces saying gems like "OOOOH SHIT!".

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm downgrading this movie from "OK" to "sucked".

[MikeCF]

^ Since we're talking spoilers, I'll tell you why that ending didn't bother me.

He didn't "fall in love" with her or anything. He was just getting some sexual therapy. She wasn't beat up or anything and looked OK in the movie.

If the film had ended with them "living happily every after," it'd be bullshit. But the ending was the opposite, when the guy saying something like, "There isn't love, just two people hanging out," or whatever.

Hell, Ashton Kutcher ended up with Demi Moore, so it's not like there aren't young good looking guys with older women.

I have known at least 2 guys who were naturals at picking women up but were very "blue pill" in the bedroom. They didn't tell women what they wanted. They were shy about it. They just let "whatever happens, happens."

It's not hard for me to accept that someone who is very good at picking up women nevertheless has an inadequate sex life.

[MattW]

@Fisto

That's about what I thought, except it was still quite an entertaining movie, plenty of laughs.

I think a part of the problem is that they portrayed the wrong types of people as the ones with unrealistic expectations. Hot club girls aren't the ones who are vanilla in bed, and guys who can pull like Don Jon aren't as hung up on porn.

[Duke Castile]

MikeCF - I found juilanne moore to look horrible. I was cringing in my seat when the were kissing.

Anyway, I just didn't find the movie to be very "red pill". It was funny here and there and it toyed with showing how screwed up women's fantasies are but it never really went strong in any direction IMO.

[cardguy]

Sounds like a missed opportunity. Comparing rom coms with porn is a really novel idea.

[Icarus]

(10-04-2013 10:17 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Comparing rom coms with porn is a really novel idea.

Not really. Roissy / Heartiste was at it over two years ago. He called it emotional pornography:

Quote:

Biologically, women don’t get off on visual porn the way men do. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have their own outlets for electrifying the beaver, or that they don’t avail themselves of these female-centric outlets with the same gusto that men do of theirs.

Let’s get right to it. Women masturbate to words. To stories. Stories as told in movies, books and TV. These stories share common themes, often featuring the hard-to-get, aloof alpha male preselected by tons of attractive women, and the maladroit beta male to play the foil. The alpha male in women’s fantasies is outsized. His kind exists in extraordinarily tiny numbers in the real world. Which makes his grudgingly surrendered love that much the sweeter.

Do not for a minute think men’s visual porn and women’s emotional porn aren’t comparable. They are exactly the same in purpose, and in function. Men jack off to YouPorn and women jack off to daydreams of Edward Cullen or Dr. McDreamy from Grey’s Anatomy. One inconsequential difference is that men’s jacking off is typically more physical in nature, with an unmistakeable denouement in ejaculation. Women, having a baseline hormonal horniness somewhat below that of men and being not quite as groin focused in their sexuality, express their jacking off in wistful, emotional mental journeys that occasionally culminate in vulval self-administration under the bedsheets late at night.

The end result of all this jacking off to ideal virtual lovers is the same for women and men: raised expectations and disappointment with the real life alternatives.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I didn't see this movie but my ex did. From what she told me, it sounds seriously blue pill.

1). The young hottie is eeeevil! In real life, young girls are actually a hell of a lot nicer than old hags. And more open-minded. I've seen both ends. I'll go young, thanks.

2). Takes the view that the PUA lifestyle is "empty." Being with a lot of women isn't a bad experience for most men. Only in Hollywood would this be a debit.

3). In real life Julianne Moore is twenty-one years older than Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Please. This is a movie being sold to middle-aged women because that's really stretching it. Reverse the genders and feminists would be screaming sexism. But somehow dating your mom is OK? Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't.

4). Had a Catholic filmmaker made a movie mocking Jewish religious rituals, all hell would come crashing down. Might even be considered hate speech. Gordon-Levitt is a Jewish filmmaker and actor mocking Catholicism - and needs to be called out on bigotry, which a lot of Jews feel they're exempt from. This is emblematic of a lot of Hollywood and it shouldn't be considered bigoted to point it out.

[Mentavious]

I enjoyed it.

Fisto said a lot of what I wanted.


How old is he suppose to be in the movie?

The girl was very subtle when it came to dominating him. I didn't even notice until the big blow up about cleaning.

While it was funny I found it to be really revealing.

[Kingsley Davis]

(10-07-2013 08:45 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I didn't see this movie but my ex did. From what she told me, it sounds seriously blue pill.

1). The young hottie is eeeevil! In real life, young girls are actually a hell of a lot nicer than old hags. And more open-minded. I've seen both ends. I'll go young, thanks.

2). Takes the view that the PUA lifestyle is "empty." Being with a lot of women isn't a bad experience for most men. Only in Hollywood would this be a debit.

3). In real life Julianne Moore is twenty-one years older than Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Please. This is a movie being sold to middle-aged women because that's really stretching it. Reverse the genders and feminists would be screaming sexism. But somehow dating your mom is OK? Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't.

4). Had a Catholic filmmaker made a movie mocking Jewish religious rituals, all hell would come crashing down. Might even be considered hate speech. Gordon-Levitt is a Jewish filmmaker and actor mocking Catholicism - and needs to be called out on bigotry, which a lot of Jews feel they're exempt from. This is emblematic of a lot of Hollywood and it shouldn't be considered bigoted to point it out.

"Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't."

I owe you the $11 bucks you saved me from seeing it.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(10-07-2013 10:05 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 08:45 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I didn't see this movie but my ex did. From what she told me, it sounds seriously blue pill.

1). The young hottie is eeeevil! In real life, young girls are actually a hell of a lot nicer than old hags. And more open-minded. I've seen both ends. I'll go young, thanks.

2). Takes the view that the PUA lifestyle is "empty." Being with a lot of women isn't a bad experience for most men. Only in Hollywood would this be a debit.

3). In real life Julianne Moore is twenty-one years older than Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Please. This is a movie being sold to middle-aged women because that's really stretching it. Reverse the genders and feminists would be screaming sexism. But somehow dating your mom is OK? Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't.

4). Had a Catholic filmmaker made a movie mocking Jewish religious rituals, all hell would come crashing down. Might even be considered hate speech. Gordon-Levitt is a Jewish filmmaker and actor mocking Catholicism - and needs to be called out on bigotry, which a lot of Jews feel they're exempt from. This is emblematic of a lot of Hollywood and it shouldn't be considered bigoted to point it out.

"Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't."

I owe you the $11 bucks you saved me from seeing it.

You can do what I do -- see it for free via underground movie sites when it comes out on DVD. Message me if you want URLs to these sites. It's breaking protocol to post links anywhere.

[Kingsley Davis]

(10-07-2013 10:32 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:05 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 08:45 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I didn't see this movie but my ex did. From what she told me, it sounds seriously blue pill.

1). The young hottie is eeeevil! In real life, young girls are actually a hell of a lot nicer than old hags. And more open-minded. I've seen both ends. I'll go young, thanks.

2). Takes the view that the PUA lifestyle is "empty." Being with a lot of women isn't a bad experience for most men. Only in Hollywood would this be a debit.

3). In real life Julianne Moore is twenty-one years older than Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Please. This is a movie being sold to middle-aged women because that's really stretching it. Reverse the genders and feminists would be screaming sexism. But somehow dating your mom is OK? Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't.

4). Had a Catholic filmmaker made a movie mocking Jewish religious rituals, all hell would come crashing down. Might even be considered hate speech. Gordon-Levitt is a Jewish filmmaker and actor mocking Catholicism - and needs to be called out on bigotry, which a lot of Jews feel they're exempt from. This is emblematic of a lot of Hollywood and it shouldn't be considered bigoted to point it out.

"Ever smell a woman 21-years-older than you? Don't."

I owe you the $11 bucks you saved me from seeing it.

You can do what I do -- see it for free via underground movie sites when it comes out on DVD. Message me if you want URLs to these sites. It's breaking protocol to post links anywhere.

Good look my n-word but i'm not pressed.

[azulsombra]

I saw this a few weeks ago looking to see a genuine new red pill movie. It didn't come through all the way but it was a tiny step in the right direction from a guys point of view. The ending to me was the worst part and very predictable, no way this guy ends up with that old bag. Still that's what hollywood wants, and old career women need the fantasy they need to resuscitate the dying cougar movement. Rwarhhh...


The first 45mins was the best. This movie reminded me a lot of Silver Linings Playbook, with an added bored player + porn addiction angle. The films are quite similar. Both films set on the east coast (philly + New Jersey), catholic family, young male character finds love in an unorthodox way. Black best friend.

These films are just Rom-Coms in disguise so they are more digestible and can attract more males, tweaking the established formula by being R rated films that are slightly rawer than the norm.

[Wutang]

Finally saw the movie tonight. I know this thread is a bit dead but I wanted to share some thoughts I had about it. Spoilers to follow.

First of all, I wouldn't say the movie is red pill at all as people already pointed out - unless you watch the movie in reverse.

The sister who was constantly glued to her iPhone whether with her family at the dinner table or at church was pretty hilarious to me. She literally doesn't say anything out loud until near the end of the movie because she's looking at her damn phone the entire time. I'm surprised no one here brought that up considering how much complaints there are about women being glued to their phone 24/7 even in situations where it's inappropriate.

And other guys in this thread already mentioned this before but for me the best point the movie is really how someone finally mentioned that unrealistic romantic movies are pretty much the female equivalent of porn for females. I thought a pretty nice touch was how when Levitt and Johnson's characters go on a date to a movie theater and watch some generic romantic comedy movie you see that as she watches the movie she has the same sort of reaction to the movie that Levitt's guido character has with porn. Both of their reactions are even shot the same way with a close up of their faces and the short clips of what they are watching at moment being played in a fashion that is meant to show that they are bombarded and overwhelmed by these images. Anyone else notice the Titanic movie poster she had in her room? Just another not so subtle way to show how her whole view of relationships has been derived from these movies just like the guido character's view of relationships and sex has been formed by his porn viewing. Later on they break up and when they meet up a while later to get closure, she straight up said something along lines of how in relationships a man is supposed to give anything and everything to the woman which just shows how far her reality has been warped by sappy Hollywood movies.

If there is anything red pill about this movie, it would be teach guys how to avoid bishes like the character Scarlett Johnson's. You know the type. Uses her charm and also with-holding sex as a way to get a man on her hook. Once the guy is hooked that's when she becomes to reel the guy in by slowly taking over more and more of his life. This was illustrated in the scene where she insists that he doesn't clean even though he gets a lot of enjoyment out of it because it doesn't fit her image of what man should be like. It doesn't take a red-piller to know that if the relationship had gone on farther she probably would have ended up picking his underwear for him in the morning and started telling him exactly when he has to be home.

As for the older woman that he gets involved with - what really bothered me was how unrealistic their relationship was. I can see why some meathead Jersey shore douche would get involved with his female counterpart. I don't understand how all of a sudden he's supposed to end up with a woman in her 50s that's dealing with recently losing a husband and kid. The whole message seem to be their relationship was supposed to so much deeper and more meaningful then the one with the club skank but they never really give any reason why this is so other then the fact the sex was supposedly better he could feel he was "losing himself in her" - whatever that means. I'm not denying that meaningful sex can be better then an ONS but there's no indication of why the two of them were capable of having sex like this while he wasn't able to do the same with other girls. They have pretty much zero in common which is pretty obvious when you see her extremely awkward attempts to hit on him. It was a bit weird to watch all the porn scenes being shown in the movie out in public with a bunch of strangers but it was no where as cringe worthy as her sad attempt at female game.

As for why the negative effects of the romance movies on the guidette chick isn't shown as much, I think it's simply because it's not really her story. Ultimately the entire story revolves around the main character. She older lady was really fleshed out either. The only thing you really know about her is that she's still recovering from having her husband and kid die. In fact, I just read some feminist review of the movie that harps on the fact that the female characters don't really have their story told and they are basically there just to help move the main character's story along and to serve as parallels and contrasts to him - in other words their roles are defined by him. The reviewer even compared them to being "manic pixie dream girls" which is a stock feminist phrase along with phrases such as "slut shaming" and "gaslighting".

I did get the impression from the ending of the movie that the guido and old lady were in love. He does mention something about how "he's not looking to get married anytime soon" but he doesn't really mention anything about how they are just going with the flow and enjoying each other's company. The implication that the makers of the movie seemed to want to make is that they are in a serious committed relationship even if the guy isn't going to make the ultimate commitment soon.

It wasn't a good red pill movie over all but just a good movie in general.