[WestIndianArchie]

@All Or Nothing

You've got a lot to contribute to this forum. You should speak more.

WIA

(09-22-2013 02:30 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(09-21-2013 11:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

That in mind, the following is little red pill.

Fucked Up People can Still Fuck

In a different post I talked about my sex addict homeboy.
He's got lots of self-esteem issues, but those don't get in the way of his ability to connect with women.

From a different vantage point, lots of actors and comedians, people who put their emotional lives out there for the entertainment and profit of others, are often VERY FUCKED UP internally. Heath Ledger, Andy Kaufman, Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle... There was a whole TV show devoted to stars who lead fucked up lives despite having every external advantage out there.

Yet somehow they manage to connect with "regular" people who have "no" issues.

People love them.

Good point.

This reminds me of my grandfather.

In his youth, my grandfather was a tall, good looking man. He was a successful doctor. He was also known to be an arrogant bastard and negligent father. Still, he had a way about him. This certain kind of charm he would turn on when he wanted something. At the end of the day, regardless of who he was deep down inside, he could get people, man or woman, to do what he wanted them to do.

My mother would refer to this dichotomy as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

It has been awhile since I have thought about this dichotomy between who someone really is, and who they present to the world.

I am writing this story as an aside. It is a testament to my grandfather's charm. A few years ago, following my grandmother's death, my father flew out his sisters, and my grandfather to bury my grandmother's ashes in Buenos Aires, Argentina. This is where my grandfather and grandmother were born.

During the trip, my father was enjoying his favorite past time, exploring museums. He explored while my grandfather sat on the bench. When my dad got back, he saw my grandfather talking to a woman 30 years his junior. She was totally captivated by him. While my dad was gone, my grandfather had begun talking to a woman, turned on his charm (probably a natural reflex of sorts), and began crafting a dream for her. This dream was of him buying her a plane ticket back to the United States where she would enjoy the finer life with him, saved from the economic turmoil in Argentina. This dream was all it took to emotionally wrap this woman around his finger. The amazing thing, my grandfather did this as he was entering the first stages of dementia.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(09-22-2013 05:48 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

Right, but you were in china.

You can still get blown out in China if your game is weak, and places like Beijing are not significantly easier than the West.

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You even admit that "just approaching" doesn't work in the West.

That is not what I said. I said club approaches didn't work for me in mid-sized German cities. When I realised this, I simply took notes and changed my habits, which I suggesting he try as well.

[eradicator]

OK so I think we have him figured out: he tries the same approach over and over despite that it doesn't work, has terrible logistics(lives in his mum's basement and does not work or go to school), has no understand of game and minimal social skills but approaches the hottest women he can find all day every day and got 150 good phone numbers from hot 18/19 year olds.

He should be trying to get a job where he is surrounded by pussy, maybe abercrombie and fitch or nordstroms or whatnot and get out of his parent's basement and this will get a LOT easier.

Then once his logistics are sorted, he can just send out a lot of mass texts like "hope you are having a great weekend" to all 150 women and see which ones respond and go from there(a lot of the numbers will have gone cold by now, maybe less than 10% respond and maybe half of those would agree to go out for drinks). Try to get better while on dates and better at escalating and make his intentions clear from the start and stop putting himself in the friendzone.

Right now he is skipping steps, has horrible logistics, bad game, and trying a method that isn't really suited to him. Also he is wearing clothing and jewelry that arent very flattering and not helping himself there.

[Ensam]

If you are 'lucky' enough to run into one of these people in your day and have some spare time it can be a ton of fun to start asking them what all their silly phrases mean. Just ask innocently like you really want to know what 'heteronormative' and who gets to define it.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Imagine what he could do if he wasn't trying to drag girls to his Rape Hyundai and instead lined them up for dates? He could get the proper kiss close there, then escalate on some later date (be it in a motel, hotel or on a blanket in a park). Most girls nowadays don't place almost any importance on money and job, as we can see from Heartiste's "Chicks dig jerks" series, and would gladly try to secure logistics from their side to get banged by that charming man they've met recently. But, alas.

[jimukr104]

Actually He needs to go more indirect with escalating. The guys got 150 numbers out of 500 makes him probably better than most masters. But why is he getting numbers so easy? Because he friend zones himself so early on that they don't see a reason not to give him a number. If he was seen as more sexual he probably get less numbers,WAY less but ones he got would pan out better.
Yes he needs a crib. He should dress better..doesn't have to suit up but looks kind of GAY tbh(got bud Bundy look going).
It also wouldn't hurt if he lowered his standards a bit...ballsy but hitting on 9+'s everyday lol.

[mr_lucky]

Maybe he hasn't read Bang...

[WanderingSoul]

Fat, ugly, shit style and socially awkward. Ignore all advice this man gives.

edit: referring to Winston Wu, not dude from GLL.

[Prophylaxis]

He is setting the bar too high.

His priority at this stage should be getting laid with a few practice girls. I'd imagine a few bangs under his belt would also relieve most of the inner game/anxiety issues he has.

[aphelion]

The more I read this thread on GLL the more I get skeeved out.

[soup]

(09-22-2013 09:30 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

He's gay.

It's true he dresses like a fag on spring break, but he can change that.

I agree with WIA.

Truth is that everyones looking for that magic bullet to supplement experience and experimentation.

All of these things that we talk about- looking good, building lifestyle, knowing how to talk to girls.. they work together.

Just lifting weights isn't going to get you girls.

Being a fat shlub but having the best PUAs and Players feeding you lines through an earpiece isn't going to get you girls.

There's no easy way around the amount of work that has to go in to all this. Work on all aspects of your game.

It would be great if there was an E=mc2 equation for game.

The closest thing we have to that is that is mantra:

"Just be yourself"

This is what girls tell guys for advice on girls.

I actually don't disagree with this piece of advice.

That said, the question becomes: What will it take for you to truly be yourself.

What will it take for you to get what you want and need from life?

Are you ready to confront the things that are holding you back?

Are you ready to have your entire world view destroyed and rebuilt as a cyborg of game.

Do you have what it takes to survive having your mental bones replaced with adamantium of game?

[WestIndianArchie]

(09-23-2013 01:03 PM)soup Wrote:  

That said, the question becomes: What will it take for you to truly be yourself.

What will it take for you to get what you want and need from life?

Are you ready to confront the things that are holding you back?

Are you ready to have your entire world view destroyed and rebuilt as a cyborg of game.

Do you have what it takes to survive having your mental bones replaced with adamantium of game?

[CactusCat589]

I think he needs to consider whether there's any benefit to keep doing this mechanically. He just needs to stop for the time being.

At this point, it's unhealthy mentally. Long stretches of confidence crisis makes you cynical and desperate. He needs to put some work into getting out of his parents' house, build up the rest of his life. I don't know about his job or anything, but not much seems to be going on.

I know this especially well, having struggled with the virginity barrier up until less than a year ago. Reading this guy's post resonated with me a lot, even though I didn't have even CLOSE to 500 approaches (and still don't.) The major shift for me was beginning a mammoth project in writing, and meeting and getting positive feedback from my favorite author alive. I committed myself to excelling in my studies and got onto the Dean's List when previously I was a mediocre student. It put me in the clouds, and the negative intangibles that were hurting my mental state simply fell away.

I don't think studying a thousand threads on any game forum, reading any of Roissy's treatises on sexual politics, or watching hours of speeches by Tyler and Julien at RSD, helps at this point.

It's a sudden shift. Insecurity and doubt - then it just happens. He has no choice but to trust in building up the rest of his life first.

[eradicator]

(09-24-2013 11:41 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

The major shift for me was beginning a mammoth project in writing, and meeting and getting positive feedback from my favorite author alive. I committed myself to excelling in my studies and got onto the Dean's List when previously I was a mediocre student. It put me in the clouds, and the negative intangibles that were hurting my mental state simply fell away.

These are excellent points: it is so much easier to run good game on women when you are having success in the rest of your life, professionally, academically or even athletically. When you are already having success, it puts you in a great frame of mind and your frame is set, slaying women just gets that much easier.

[deathtofatties]

I wonder what Roosh would say about this guy..

[deathtofatties]

I spoke with this guy over skype fairly recently. He really believes that the reason he doesn't get laid is because he has a small frame and lacks a robust skull. It's ridiculous.

[CaliforniaSupreme]

(09-21-2013 04:34 AM)aphelion Wrote:  

I saw this thread linked on Nigel's Big Game twitter. Do you follow Nigel?

My thought is that he should probably hide his thin physique with (tailored) clothing that suggests he's bigger than he is. I'm tall but not terribly muscular, and I do much better when I'm wearing a button down shirt and hopefully a blazer than I do when I'm wearing a t-shirt.

He's a reasonably decent looking gent. He basically looks like Tyler Durden who apparently gets a decent amount of trim although I have no idea how. GLL game is pretty caveman and he probably looks pretty incongruent with his build.

I'm reading through the thread now. I was hoping for some decent reading material tonight and looks like I found it.

The Tyler Durden reference is so true, except he's not yoked enough.

[aphelion]

(10-05-2013 02:29 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

I spoke with this guy over skype fairly recently. He really believes that the reason he doesn't get laid is because he has a small frame and lacks a robust skull. It's ridiculous.

Holy smokes no doubt. He was talking about getting jaw implants and stuff. He would look like a freak with that noise going on.

[Seductionsextravel Sebi]

I think the problem of this guy is a ego problem and a lack of self esteem.

I just read the first line of his post and there he said:

"I know my hair sucks i almost always have a headband/backwards hat on"

Also he said that he was following the GLL method. In my opinion it is crucial for your development in pick up and seduction to get some help at the beginning, some guideline you can work with but after a while you have to discover your own style and the things that fit for you. That's a process...

[eradicator]

(10-05-2013 02:29 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

I spoke with this guy over skype fairly recently. He really believes that the reason he doesn't get laid is because he has a small frame and lacks a robust skull. It's ridiculous.

did he join rvf this past october 1st? If he just tweaks a couple of things, he could be doing a lot better.

[aphelion]

He needs to completely tweak his whole everything. Like, starting with ditching his lay quest and getting on with life.

[XYZ]

-no job/school
-lives in his mom's basement
-games only 9+
-games the flakiest subset of girls (18-19)

yet with 500 approaches he still got "isolated makeouts." with some decent logistics those could have been bangs

why doesnt this guy get a job? if some guy came on here with no job and lived in their mom's basement and wanted to get laid, the first advice most people would give is to get their money and life sorted out first and then get into the game. its no different here

but WIA is right that a lot of guys with nothing going for them are getting laid. still without LOGISTICS its really hard to get laid no matter how good your game is

[Suits]

(10-05-2013 01:41 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

-no job/school
-lives in his mom's basement
-games only 9+
-games the flakiest subset of girls (18-19)

yet with 500 approaches he still got "isolated makeouts." with some decent logistics those could have been bangs

why doesnt this guy get a job? if some guy came on here with no job and lived in their mom's basement and wanted to get laid, the first advice most people would give is to get their money and life sorted out first and then get into the game. its no different here

but WIA is right that a lot of guys with nothing going for them are getting laid. still without LOGISTICS its really hard to get laid no matter how good your game is

Agreed. He is shooting way too damn high.

Practice girls are a must. Learning to break up with a cute girl because you KNOW you can do better is a great way to internalize game attributes.

[hipster]

I think the guy is trolling or he is gay.

[XYZ]

"Problem is, in my case, I think i'm 5'9 145 and maybe the "douche" "swag" style isn't going to work for me. She texts me still telling me that I think I'm hot when im not and it annoys her.

I've had girls tell me I look like I want to be Justin Biebers butt buddy (this is stuff Chris would never hear no matter what he was wearing/saying.) It's due 100 % to my size.

I'm wondering if I should try a more "artsy" vibe or maybe just a clean cut "boyfriend" type approach and hit up places like librarys and parks"


"There is something seriously wrong with me or what im doing if I cant even get a friend, while doign this type of approach. If you think about it, let's say im not even trying to get laid, lets say im trying to get a girlfriend or some other "weak" guy type of objective. I have done so many of these approaches like in the video and i have nothing to show for it. Just hundreds of phone numbers that will not respond to me and girls threatening if i dont leave them alone"

"Honestly I think the possibility that a low masculine face doesn't work for cold approach. And thats the end of the story. I'm goign to stick with it but I think that this is a very real possibility. Like... The only girls that are going to give a complete stranger the time of day are girls who are innately a little bit slutty. And those slutty girls want a guy with high sexual dimorphism. Not a girly-guy. They might be interested in that type as a boyfriend but a boyfriend is social circle status, and needs to be within that group."

"I get asked if I have aspergers or if im on drugs all the time because I try and go out of my comfort zone."

"I just ran game today opened about 10 sets. About 4 or 5 sets literally walked away during the time I was talking"

"Keep in mind that I was doing this 7 hours a day for about 3 months. I've pretty much tried everything, there have been times when I was able to pull girls to my car instantly and get makeouts. These girls never responded back to my follow up texts."

"I HAVE gotten 10-20 second dates."

Just had another date. Girl agreed to meet up with me in a parking lot. Got in my car. Held hands and made out. I texted her the next day asking if she wants to meet up and she says "where" i tell her where and she says IDK if i can. then goes on twitter and says "why dont some people get the hint"








7 hours a day for 3 months is 600 hours. so he did less than 1 approach an hour? a lot of what this guy says almost sounds like trolling. a guy that can pull girls to his car instantly and get makeouts cant get a bang? he got 10-20 second dates and cant get a bang?