[DonovanVC]

For those that do any sort of daygame, which do you prefer and why?

Over the summer I practiced a lot of street game. I prefer street game because in a high foot traffic area that I live, there are just tons of hotties that walk by. In addition, unlike bookstore or grocery store daygame, you can screen more girls and go for the ones you really want. In stores, you kind of just get whoever is there.

However, I've noticed my flake rate is way higher from the streets than when I get numbers in the grocery store, bookstore or other such venue. When I first started street game in May, I wasn't getting many numbers. But as I've gotten better at it, I've gotten more numbers at a better rate and a couple of dates. I think the reason for the flakeage rate (other than the fact that my game needs to better) is the fact you don't have as much time to build up a connection on the street, since these chicks are often on the move. I've tried to go for the insta-date more ofte now, but chicks often have shit to do, as do I.

For me, other kinds of daygame, like in the bookstore, cafe or grocery store are more "incidental". If i go to one of these places and happen to see a girl I like, I will approach. But for me the bulk of the work is on the street (until the cold midwest winter hits).

[InternationPlayboy]

I like beach game the most. I have to start trying bookstore game now that I have that as an option. Where I was living before it really wasn't an option. It seems like it could work well.

[Giovonny]

90% of my Game is street game. Flaking is high because its such a random way to approach. For me, the most important thing is to make a strong impression during the approach. Don't be in a rush to ask for her number. Just try to have a great 5 minute conversation. Make her laugh and find something in common. After a few minutes, sometimes i pretend like a have to leave, unless she is yapping alot. My goal is to get her to ask me for my #. HONESTLY, THERE IS A LOOK IN THEIR EYE WHEN THEY WANT YOU TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR NUMBER. Once you get this little look from them, you're good. Then I call them 2 or 3 days later and try to have 15 or 20 minutes of good conversation. Once that happens, I say "lets grab a drink sometime" or "lets hang out". If she agrees to meet you somewhere, its your game to lose.

I do this everywhere. shopping, walking the malls, on the street, cafes, bookstores, public tranportation, anywhere and everywhere.

[OGNorCal707]

(10-22-2010 03:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

90% of my Game is street game. Flaking is high because its such a random way to approach. For me, the most important thing is to make a strong impression during the approach. Don't be in a rush to ask for her number. Just try to have a great 5 minute conversation. Make her laugh and find something in common. After a few minutes, sometimes i pretend like a have to leave, unless she is yapping alot. My goal is to get her to ask me for my #. HONESTLY, THERE IS A LOOK IN THEIR EYE WHEN THEY WANT YOU TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR NUMBER. Once you get this little look from them, you're good. Then I call them 2 or 3 days later and try to have 15 or 20 minutes of good conversation. Once that happens, I say "lets grab a drink sometime" or "lets hang out". If she agrees to meet you somewhere, its your game to lose.

I do this everywhere. shopping, walking the malls, on the street, cafes, bookstores, public tranportation, anywhere and everywhere.

Giovonny,

Good to see you posting here again, I always thought you dropped some of the best advice on the forum. You make some good points, " For me, the most important thing is to make a strong impression during the approach. Don't be in a rush to ask for her number. Just try to have a great 5 minute conversation. Make her laugh and find something in common. After a few minutes, sometimes i pretend like a have to leave, unless she is yapping alot... HONESTLY, THERE IS A LOOK IN THEIR EYE WHEN THEY WANT YOU TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR NUMBER."

A lot of "street game" is a numbers game, but the stronger the impression you make and the better the connection, the more you lower your flake %, which also applies to all forms of game.

[DonovanVC]

Good advice.

I talked to Roosh about flaking rates during street game - he said I need to build a connection for longer. But that seems a bit hard when its street game, since time is of the essence.

But it is definitely the most fun kind of game and it seems easier to get a really hot chick compared to dealing with all the problems of a club. Plus a lot of hotties just don't go to bookstores and shit. U gotta find them on the street.

[BostonBMW]

I like street game. I run it selectively because I am usually in a rush to get somewhere as well. I prefer the touristy looking chicks that are in town for a few days. I find tourists to be more open and you can always show them around town etc.

I have also been known to run street game around the time bars and clubs are closing (Sadly 1:30/2 AM here) by pushing for an after-party/more drinks jump off. It's pretty ridiculous actually, my Friday nights go something like:

7 PM: Come home from the Gym.
8-9 PM: Kick back over dinner and catch up with the roommate/wing.
10 PM-12:30 AM: Powernap (yes, a powernap)
12:30-1:00: Shower/get ready.
1:30-3 AM: Street game near the bars/clubs.

There are two scenarios at this point:

Plan A: Bounce the girls back to the crib, chill with them and bang.
Plan B: No success? No problem, hit up the booty calls and still bang.
Either way, I buy the girls breakfast in the AM and head to the office on Saturday.

Wonder how long this will last? Numbers are garbage to me

[iknowexactly]

(10-23-2010 09:36 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

7 PM: Come home from the Gym.
8-9 PM: Kick back over dinner and catch up with the roommate/wing.
10 PM-12:30 AM: Powernap (yes, a powernap)
12:30-1:00: Shower/get ready.
1:30-3 AM: Street game near the bars/clubs.

The idea of scheduling your time really late for "hunting hours" seems very creative. Plus you must look admirably energetic for 2AM haha!

Can you share some more on what you've seen is the psychology of this?

1) It seems wonderfully unexpected--everyone else has given up.

2) If there's a 2-set, do you try to pull both to your house or separate? I often see packs of cackling girls post-closing. Are the larger sets way harder?

3) What about "diner game"? Sounds lame to me, but it sounds intimidating to me to try to pull to crib right away. Sounds bad, bright lights, sobering up, chick thinking about others seeing you....

4) What about the psychological element with after closing game? Do you think they're sort of more desperate and ready to go-- she's thinking "It's my last chance tonight and he's not bad..."

[BostonBMW]

(10-23-2010 11:36 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-23-2010 09:36 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

7 PM: Come home from the Gym.
8-9 PM: Kick back over dinner and catch up with the roommate/wing.
10 PM-12:30 AM: Powernap (yes, a powernap)
12:30-1:00: Shower/get ready.
1:30-3 AM: Street game near the bars/clubs.

The idea of scheduling your time really late for "hunting hours" seems very creative. Plus you must look admirably energetic for 2AM haha!

Can you share some more on what you've seen is the psychology of this?

1) It seems wonderfully unexpected--everyone else has given up.

2) If there's a 2-set, do you try to pull both to your house or separate? I often see packs of cackling girls post-closing. Are the larger sets way harder?

3) What about "diner game"? Sounds lame to me, but it sounds intimidating to me to try to pull to crib right away. Sounds bad, bright lights, sobering up, chick thinking about others seeing you....

4) What about the psychological element with after closing game? Do you think they're sort of more desperate and ready to go-- she's thinking "It's my last chance tonight and he's not bad..."

I have only recently started going out on Friday nights, I used to skip over them because the high 'woo!!' Girl/douchebag domination of the scene. The overlooked beauty of my endzone game is that I avoid the phone number nonsense, don't have to buy drinks at the bars/clubs, and have had a very high bang rate.

1. Not necessarily. As long as there are girls in sexy skirts/f*ck me boots, I can assure you that you will find guys trying to make those late night plays. Your competitive advantage lies in the fact that:

A. you are fresher (having taken the nap/shower) than them with not too much to drink (keep your pregame to 2 shots MAX).
B. Those guys will seem more 'thirsty' as they have been approaching all night with little to no success. By 2 AM that desperation starts to wreak much like their sweat and cologne soaked shirts.

2. Real talk, I usually go for 2 sets and occasionally a 3 set. With larger groups logistics becomes a problem ('who is driving who?') which is really not my problem - plus building comfort for the larger group takes a lot more time and cockblocking reaches epic proportions. Finally there is always a fat chick/foodie in the group who will suggest a late night meal at some crappy ass diner or pizza place, which is a mood killer.

3. No diner game. If I am approaching a 2 set and trying to convince them to go back to the crib and one of them asks about food, I offer to make a stop at a 24 hour convenience store where they can grab something and go. I think I felt strange the first night I tried to bounce the girl back to the crib, but it went so well that I no longer think twice about it anymore. Remember you need to tighten up your game: Think about your place and what it can offer (nice views? Close by?) And use that to convince the girls. Or you can try the after party route where you can offer more drinks/smokes etc. Keep in mind that I take the same steps in building comfort and they are down to go back with us because they WANT to keep the conversation going, want to bang or want more drinks.

4. Absolutely. I think you are offering one of the purest forms of game at this point. With endzone game, you are taking it to the next level by approaching girls that might be down to bang, were/were not approached all night, so they are definitely in last call mode. All you can offer is your good conversation and a private place to hang out.

Also, I always take them out for breakfast/coffee the next morning. Keep it classy

[BostonBMW]

(10-24-2010 01:50 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

(10-23-2010 11:36 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-23-2010 09:36 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

7 PM: Come home from the Gym.
8-9 PM: Kick back over dinner and catch up with the roommate/wing.
10 PM-12:30 AM: Powernap (yes, a powernap)
12:30-1:00: Shower/get ready.
1:30-3 AM: Street game near the bars/clubs.

The idea of scheduling your time really late for "hunting hours" seems very creative. Plus you must look admirably energetic for 2AM haha!

Can you share some more on what you've seen is the psychology of this?

1) It seems wonderfully unexpected--everyone else has given up.

2) If there's a 2-set, do you try to pull both to your house or separate? I often see packs of cackling girls post-closing. Are the larger sets way harder?

3) What about "diner game"? Sounds lame to me, but it sounds intimidating to me to try to pull to crib right away. Sounds bad, bright lights, sobering up, chick thinking about others seeing you....

4) What about the psychological element with after closing game? Do you think they're sort of more desperate and ready to go-- she's thinking "It's my last chance tonight and he's not bad..."

I have only recently started going out on Friday nights, I used to skip over them because the high 'woo!!' Girl/douchebag domination of the scene. The overlooked beauty of my endzone game is that I avoid the phone number nonsense, don't have to buy drinks at the bars/clubs, and have had a very high bang rate.

1. Not necessarily. As long as there are girls in sexy skirts/f*ck me boots, I can assure you that you will find guys trying to make those late night plays. Your competitive advantage lies in the fact that:

A. you are fresher (having taken the nap/shower) than them while being comparatively sober. (keep your pregame to 2 shots MAX).
B. Those guys will seem more 'thirsty' as they have been approaching all night with little to no success. By 2 AM that desperation starts to wreak much like their sweat and cologne soaked shirts.

2. Real talk, I usually go for 2 sets and occasionally a 3 set. With larger groups logistics becomes a problem ('who is driving who?') which is really not my problem - plus building comfort for the larger group takes a lot more time and cockblocking reaches epic proportions. Finally there is always a fat chick/foodie in the group who will suggest a late night meal at some crappy ass diner or pizza place, which is a mood killer.

3. No diner game. If I am approaching a 2 set and trying to convince them to go back to the crib and one of them asks about food, I offer to make a stop at a 24 hour convenience store where they can grab something and go. I think I felt strange the first night I tried to bounce the girl back to the crib, but it went so well that I no longer think twice about it anymore. Remember you need to tighten up your game: Think about your place and what it can offer (nice views? Close by?) And use that to convince the girls. Or you can try the after party route where you can offer more drinks/smokes etc. Keep in mind that I take the same steps in building comfort and they are down to go back with us because they WANT to keep the conversation going, want to bang or want more drinks.

4. Absolutely. I think you are offering one of the purest forms of game at this point. With endzone game, you are taking it to the next level by approaching girls that might be down to bang, were/were not approached all night, so they are definitely in last call mode. All you can offer is your good conversation and a private place to hang out.


Also, I always take them out for breakfast/coffee the next morning. Keep it classy

[DonovanVC]

(10-22-2010 03:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

90% of my Game is street game. Flaking is high because its such a random way to approach. For me, the most important thing is to make a strong impression during the approach. Don't be in a rush to ask for her number. Just try to have a great 5 minute conversation. Make her laugh and find something in common. After a few minutes, sometimes i pretend like a have to leave, unless she is yapping alot. My goal is to get her to ask me for my #. HONESTLY, THERE IS A LOOK IN THEIR EYE WHEN THEY WANT YOU TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR NUMBER. Once you get this little look from them, you're good. Then I call them 2 or 3 days later and try to have 15 or 20 minutes of good conversation. Once that happens, I say "lets grab a drink sometime" or "lets hang out". If she agrees to meet you somewhere, its your game to lose.

I do this everywhere. shopping, walking the malls, on the street, cafes, bookstores, public tranportation, anywhere and everywhere.

Roosh has been advocating the text game more than calling now, and I have found it harder to connect via straight up calls in this present day and age too.

Do you tend to have a long text conversation after you number close them instead of a phone call?

Or just go for the meet up?

[Giovonny]

(10-25-2010 07:48 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  

(10-22-2010 03:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

90% of my Game is street game. Flaking is high because its such a random way to approach. For me, the most important thing is to make a strong impression during the approach. Don't be in a rush to ask for her number. Just try to have a great 5 minute conversation. Make her laugh and find something in common. After a few minutes, sometimes i pretend like a have to leave, unless she is yapping alot. My goal is to get her to ask me for my #. HONESTLY, THERE IS A LOOK IN THEIR EYE WHEN THEY WANT YOU TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR NUMBER. Once you get this little look from them, you're good. Then I call them 2 or 3 days later and try to have 15 or 20 minutes of good conversation. Once that happens, I say "lets grab a drink sometime" or "lets hang out". If she agrees to meet you somewhere, its your game to lose.

I do this everywhere. shopping, walking the malls, on the street, cafes, bookstores, public tranportation, anywhere and everywhere.

Roosh has been advocating the text game more than calling now, and I have found it harder to connect via straight up calls in this present day and age too.

Do you tend to have a long text conversation after you number close them instead of a phone call?

Or just go for the meet up?

Is it easier to make a connection by talking or by texting???

I don't think it is even a question.

For me, its easier to make a connection by talking rather then texting. I never have long text conversations until after we have talked on the phone a few times. I used to do that but the flake rate was very high. With calling/talking the flake rate has been much much better. If I can make a connection on the phone they are almost always down to meet for lunch or a drink. After 15-20 minutes of good convo I always say "lets hang out" or "lets grab a drink". From # to meet up in 5 or 6 days. This has been working well lately