[soup]

There are a lot of coming up threads on different types of shit tests. I believe that there is a simple way to handle all shit tests.

Ignore them. Whatever you do, don't let the girl guide the conversation. Do whatever you can to make sure that they aren't setting the topic. Don't get suckered into arguing with them. That's like a cat tricking you into arguing with it, and you will look like a fool.

When a girl says something stupid (often), and let's face it- shit tests are among the dumbest things they can say, I just ignore it and either change the subject or keep talking as if they didn't say anything at all.

The key is to not get into their frame.

I did this a couple nights ago, I was a in cab with this girl and she kept testing me by taking my hand off of her leg. We had already kissed and she wasn't crying rape, so I forced my hand back on to her leg.

It's a war of will power.

[SheWantsTheD]

(09-23-2013 11:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

There are a lot of coming up threads on different types of shit tests. I believe that there is a simple way to handle all shit tests.

Ignore them. Whatever you do, don't let the girl guide the conversation. Do whatever you can to make sure that they aren't setting the topic. Don't get suckered into arguing with them. That's like a cat tricking you into arguing with it, and you will look like a fool.

When a girl says something stupid (often), and let's face it- shit tests are among the dumbest things they can say, I just ignore it and either change the subject or keep talking as if they didn't say anything at all.

The key is to not get into their frame.

I did this a couple nights ago, I was a in cab with this girl and she kept testing me by taking my hand off of her leg. We had already kissed and she wasn't crying rape, so I forced my hand back on to her leg.

It's a war of will power.

I'm new so maybe this is a naive question, but I don't seem to know when something is a s-test and when something's legitimate? Should I just treat all emotional outbursts? This and text game are where I fail the most. Been trying my best to curb them and getting better, but I just don't know when a chick is trying to test me and when it's a legitimate concern?

[soup]

(09-23-2013 11:22 AM)SheWantsTheD Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

There are a lot of coming up threads on different types of shit tests. I believe that there is a simple way to handle all shit tests.

Ignore them. Whatever you do, don't let the girl guide the conversation. Do whatever you can to make sure that they aren't setting the topic. Don't get suckered into arguing with them. That's like a cat tricking you into arguing with it, and you will look like a fool.

When a girl says something stupid (often), and let's face it- shit tests are among the dumbest things they can say, I just ignore it and either change the subject or keep talking as if they didn't say anything at all.

The key is to not get into their frame.

I did this a couple nights ago, I was a in cab with this girl and she kept testing me by taking my hand off of her leg. We had already kissed and she wasn't crying rape, so I forced my hand back on to her leg.

It's a war of will power.

I'm new so maybe this is a naive question, but I don't seem to know when something is a s-test and when something's legitimate? Should I just treat all emotional outbursts? This and text game are where I fail the most. Been trying my best to curb them and getting better, but I just don't know when a chick is trying to test me and when it's a legitimate concern?

The type of high value, high attraction upfront kind of game we talk about on RVF frames you as the boss, with need for questions or tests.

You have to become the type of guy who the girl would not even think about testing. Is a girl going to ask Brad Pitt "so why don't you have a girlfriend?" No, she's going to fuck him while she still has a chance.

If you are a really "hot" or "cool" guy, there's nothing to test. She will have intuitive sense of what you are about.

The problem is that for those of us who are still working towards becoming that cool, we are going to get girls trying to derail us at times.

From this super cool guy (SCG) perspective, there really isn't such a thing as text game. There's no game. She's already into you and you don't have to fuck around flirting with her on text. Just make plans.

If you aren't sure when a girl is throwing out a shit test, you need to read up around here on the types of shit tests that girl typically throw out.

Girls aren't really original thinking creatures, and they all the same kind of shit tests.

It's good to recognize they are shit testing you because it means that you haven't done enough, or are doing too much, or whatever.. to become a cool guy, so there's work ahead.

Some aspergery girls will even shit test SCGs because it is their knee jerk reaction. This is why I just ignore it. If you are SCG, then her shit test is just a neurotic spasm. Drawing attention to or engaging it will just feed their anxiety and fuel their doubts about how cool you are.

You have to be immovable oak tree that doesn't sway. From Heartiste http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixte...s-of-poon/ :

"IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable."

[soup]

(09-23-2013 11:22 AM)SheWantsTheD Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

There are a lot of coming up threads on different types of shit tests. I believe that there is a simple way to handle all shit tests.

Ignore them. Whatever you do, don't let the girl guide the conversation. Do whatever you can to make sure that they aren't setting the topic. Don't get suckered into arguing with them. That's like a cat tricking you into arguing with it, and you will look like a fool.

When a girl says something stupid (often), and let's face it- shit tests are among the dumbest things they can say, I just ignore it and either change the subject or keep talking as if they didn't say anything at all.

The key is to not get into their frame.

I did this a couple nights ago, I was a in cab with this girl and she kept testing me by taking my hand off of her leg. We had already kissed and she wasn't crying rape, so I forced my hand back on to her leg.

It's a war of will power.

I'm new so maybe this is a naive question, but I don't seem to know when something is a s-test and when something's legitimate? Should I just treat all emotional outbursts? This and text game are where I fail the most. Been trying my best to curb them and getting better, but I just don't know when a chick is trying to test me and when it's a legitimate concern?

They type of high value, high attraction upfront kind of game we talk about on RVF frames you as the boss, no need to question or test you.

You have to become the type of guy who the girl would not even think about testing. A girl isn't going to tell Brad Pitt: "why don't you have a girlfriend". She's going to fuck him while she has her chance.

If you are a really "hot" or "cool" guy, there's nothing to test. She will have intuitive sense of what you are about.

The problem is that for those of us who are still working towards becoming that cool, we are going to get girls trying to derail us at times.

From this super cool guy (SCG) perspective, there really isn't such a thing as text game. There's no game. She's already into you and you don't have to fuck around flirting with her on text. Just make plans.

If you aren't sure when a girl is throwing out a shit test, you need to read up around here on the types of shit tests that girl typically throw out.

Girls aren't really original thinking creatures, and they all the same kind of shit tests.

It's good to recognize they are shit testing you because it means that you haven't done enough, or are doing too much, or whatever.. to become a cool guy, so there's work ahead.

Some aspergery girls will even shit test SCGs because it is their knee jerk reaction. This is why I just ignore it. If you are SCG, then her shit test is just a neurotic spasm. Drawing attention to or engaging it will just feed their anxiety and fuel their doubts about how cool you are.

You have to be immovable oak tree that doesn't sway. From Heartiste http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixte...s-of-poon/ :

"IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable."

[SheWantsTheD]

(09-23-2013 12:13 PM)soup Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:22 AM)SheWantsTheD Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

There are a lot of coming up threads on different types of shit tests. I believe that there is a simple way to handle all shit tests.

Ignore them. Whatever you do, don't let the girl guide the conversation. Do whatever you can to make sure that they aren't setting the topic. Don't get suckered into arguing with them. That's like a cat tricking you into arguing with it, and you will look like a fool.

When a girl says something stupid (often), and let's face it- shit tests are among the dumbest things they can say, I just ignore it and either change the subject or keep talking as if they didn't say anything at all.

The key is to not get into their frame.

I did this a couple nights ago, I was a in cab with this girl and she kept testing me by taking my hand off of her leg. We had already kissed and she wasn't crying rape, so I forced my hand back on to her leg.

It's a war of will power.

I'm new so maybe this is a naive question, but I don't seem to know when something is a s-test and when something's legitimate? Should I just treat all emotional outbursts? This and text game are where I fail the most. Been trying my best to curb them and getting better, but I just don't know when a chick is trying to test me and when it's a legitimate concern?

They type of high value, high attraction upfront kind of game we talk about on RVF frames you as the boss, no need to question or test you.

You have to become the type of guy who the girl would not even think about testing. A girl isn't going to tell Brad Pitt: "why don't you have a girlfriend". She's going to fuck him while she has her chance.

If you are a really "hot" or "cool" guy, there's nothing to test. She will have intuitive sense of what you are about.

The problem is that for those of us who are still working towards becoming that cool, we are going to get girls trying to derail us at times.

From this super cool guy (SCG) perspective, there really isn't such a thing as text game. There's no game. She's already into you and you don't have to fuck around flirting with her on text. Just make plans.

If you aren't sure when a girl is throwing out a shit test, you need to read up around here on the types of shit tests that girl typically throw out.

Girls aren't really original thinking creatures, and they all the same kind of shit tests.

It's good to recognize they are shit testing you because it means that you haven't done enough, or are doing too much, or whatever.. to become a cool guy, so there's work ahead.

Some aspergery girls will even shit test SCGs because it is their knee jerk reaction. This is why I just ignore it. If you are SCG, then her shit test is just a neurotic spasm. Drawing attention to or engaging it will just feed their anxiety and fuel their doubts about how cool you are.

You have to be immovable oak tree that doesn't sway. From Heartiste http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixte...s-of-poon/ :

"IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable."

Appreciate it, Soup. I have to remember these things. I guess being beta for so long makes it hard to retrain your mind. Inner game is where I need a lot of work. I (used to) always question myself as to whether or not a chick was interested. Even if I (ashamed to say) had her at my place. I just need to assume the sale more, be the Oak and the leader. I think about missed opportunities and am embaressed of myself. I can imagine what the chick was thinking when I didn't go for the close because of being self conscious and always thinking, "maybe she isn't interested" or "she's way too good/hot for you."

Sometimes it feels like there's so much to work on and change that it can be an impossible task to get there. Just need to take it one opportunity at a time I guess. Weird thing is, when I was younger I used game without knowing it and it worked like a charm. As I got older I outsmarted myself by thinking too logically about everything.

Just have to keep working at it I suppose.

[AntiTrace]

Great post soup.

My level of game went up a bit when I realized this. I used to try to respond to everything in a witty way and try to continuously lead the conversation in the way I desired. It created a frame of me chasing her. Nice guys try to answer every question in a logical manner which is cool if you want to get laid like a nice guy.

Then I started ignoring some of her stupid comments instead of trying to outwit them. I would just look at her and smirk and turn away. The results were obvious.

My favorite way to do it now is to just continously say "huh?" like you can't hear or understand them.

Why dont you have a girlfriend?
Huh?
Why dont you have a girlfriend?
What?
Ugh...WHY DONT YOU HAVE A GIRLFRIEND!?
Can you please speak up.

She went from trying to shit-test to buying into your frame and chasing you. Add a little smirk on it to make it obvious you are fucking with her.

[cpred]

Very true. It almost seems like they are trying to bait you with the nagging questions that will never get an answer. They expect us to answer them and when we don't, it throws them off a bit. Most guys that are trapped into her web will try to give the answer that she is expecting to please her not realizing the trap they are walking into.

[NYJ]

@ AntiTrace

Interesting. Could something similar be done if they ask you for your age? Doing the guessing game doesn't work and is lame.

[AntiTrace]

(09-24-2013 06:04 AM)NYJ Wrote:  

@ AntiTrace

Interesting. Could something similar be done if they ask you for your age? Doing the guessing game doesn't work and is lame.

You can use it anytime someone throws some at you that you dont want to do.

I've done it to my boss when he asked me to come in on an off day.

I've done it to a girl that gave me the classic "I dont fuck on the first date" line

I've done it to a friend who told me he was bailing on our a daily workout.

I like to do it to bartenders if the bar is slow enough too. When they give me the dirnk and tell me the price ill say it a couple times and then end with "oh its on the house?"

It's more about having fun interacting with people than it is about game.

[soup]

(09-24-2013 06:16 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 06:04 AM)NYJ Wrote:  

@ AntiTrace

Interesting. Could something similar be done if they ask you for your age? Doing the guessing game doesn't work and is lame.

You can use it anytime someone throws some at you that you dont want to do.

I've done it to my boss when he asked me to come in on an off day.

I've done it to a girl that gave me the classic "I dont fuck on the first date" line

I've done it to a friend who told me he was bailing on our a daily workout.

I like to do it to bartenders if the bar is slow enough too. When they give me the dirnk and tell me the price ill say it a couple times and then end with "oh its on the house?"

It's more about having fun interacting with people than it is about game.

You are right on with this.

And, yes, always make the chick guess.

She says "how old are you?"

I always put up 3 fingers, pause, and say "three guesses."

Same thing could work with:

"where are you from?"
"why don't you have a girlfriend?"
"what do you do?"
and countless other dumb/boring questions.

This is even better than ignoring them. You are pulling them into your web and commanding them to do stuff to for you. They are qualifying themselves to you instantly.

Keep your hand up until they comply.

If they say "nooo tell me." You can just repeat "three guesses."

her: "noo.."

Then you can smirk or give a fake sad face and change the subject to something in a very obvious way.

This will probably crack them up, in a good way. It means you are getting to her on an emotional level.

If they do guess and get it right, don't say "you're right", say "you're a good guesser "

After all, this is a game, and it takes two to play. If she doesn't let you play-along and be the Dungeon Master, then you can't play the game.

[liveandlearn7]

I either ignore or give them a shit-test myself. One of my famous shit-tests is to pretend to fuck a girl raw by acting like I'm going to put it in. If she lets me, she proves to me she's dirty and obviously not short term relationship material. If she tells me I must grab a condom, she passes.

[MrXY]

There's a reason why virtually all of these shit test questions "Was this a shit test?" and How do I respond to this shit test?" come from newbies

Their Inner Game is weak

They still believe subconsciously that the girl is more valuable and superior to them and they have to supplicate and try to please her and give her what she wants. Scarcity mentality also plays into this-if a guy hasn't banged a lot of girls and doesn't have many in his current pipeline, each new girl has a lot more importance to him and some desperation starts to leak out

So they easily fall into the girls frame and allow her to lead the interaction. They end up either just allowing her to interrogate or humiliate them them, or constantly trying to be witty

You have to blow up her frame

Ignoring is the best way. Sometimes I also make fun of her-asking her the same question back in response, pretending to have misheard the question, often in a sexual or ridiculous way, or agreeing and amplifying. I like Antitrace's idea of pretending not to hear her too, I've got dates today and tomorrow where I'll try that out.

[soup]

(09-24-2013 10:59 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

There's a reason why virtually all of these shit test questions "Was this a shit test?" and How do I respond to this shit test?" come from newbies

Their Inner Game is weak

They still believe subconsciously that the girl is more valuable and superior to them and they have to supplicate and try to please her and give her what she wants. Scarcity mentality also plays into this-if a guy hasn't banged a lot of girls and doesn't have many in his current pipeline, each new girl has a lot more importance to him and some desperation starts to leak out

So they easily fall into the girls frame and allow her to lead the interaction. They end up either just allowing her to interrogate or humiliate them them, or constantly trying to be witty

You have to blow up her frame

Ignoring is the best way. Sometimes I also make fun of her-asking her the same question back in response, pretending to have misheard the question, often in a sexual or ridiculous way, or agreeing and amplifying. I like Antitrace's idea of pretending not to hear her too, I've got dates today and tomorrow where I'll try that out.

Yes- the real test is not how to answer the question, but whether or not you answer the question at all.

She's testing to see if you will come down to her level or lower. Can I control this guy? The less she can control you, the more wet she will get and visa versa, I guarantee.

[soup]

(09-24-2013 05:38 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Great post soup.

My level of game went up a bit when I realized this. I used to try to respond to everything in a witty way and try to continuously lead the conversation in the way I desired. It created a frame of me chasing her. Nice guys try to answer every question in a logical manner which is cool if you want to get laid like a nice guy.

Then I started ignoring some of her stupid comments instead of trying to outwit them. I would just look at her and smirk and turn away. The results were obvious.

My favorite way to do it now is to just continously say "huh?" like you can't hear or understand them.

Why dont you have a girlfriend?
Huh?
Why dont you have a girlfriend?
What?
Ugh...WHY DONT YOU HAVE A GIRLFRIEND!?
Can you please speak up.

She went from trying to shit-test to buying into your frame and chasing you. Add a little smirk on it to make it obvious you are fucking with her.

I love "mis-hearing" what they say and giving them so other answer. She will always say something like "you're weird". This is good.

[Blaster]

(09-23-2013 11:22 AM)SheWantsTheD Wrote:  

I'm new so maybe this is a naive question, but I don't seem to know when something is a s-test and when something's legitimate? Should I just treat all emotional outbursts? This and text game are where I fail the most. Been trying my best to curb them and getting better, but I just don't know when a chick is trying to test me and when it's a legitimate concern?

Girls don't always test consciously. Challenges will come out without them even really thinking about it, and whether you pass or fail isn't going to be a matter of judgment it's going to be a matter of how your response makes her feel.

It takes awhile to develop this instinct but in my experience, the best way to get started, at least if you are at all introverted, is to pay attention to moments where you feel defensive or apologetic; or get an urge to explain yourself. That's when you need to get yourself under control. Usually, after a second or so, you'll have a good idea whether you actually want to talk about this topic or not. If you don't, then just change the subject. If you do, you'll be able to proceed on your own terms and avoid getting stuck in an emotionally-reactive state. It doesn't matter whether it "actually" was a shit test or not.