Quote: (09-20-2013 11:53 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:
Great thread with some great info guys! Loving the intel posted specially about Taiwan. Its really rising on my list of places to go upon my return to Asia!
Hows safety there btw? Do you get a negative/aggressive vibe from guys when appoaching girls or when hanging iut with them in public?
Is Taipei/Taiwan more of a suited down place like Hkg and Tokyo? Or is it relaxed in general when going out?
Also interested to get something lstraightened out: the infamous Winston Wu of Happier Abroad had written profusely about Taiwan, enough to fill several books on his site/forum about reasons why Taiwan sucks and is a shit hole for dating sexy young girls. Has anyone in here read Winston's site and numerous posts on that topic? Was the fact that his experience has been so poor in Taiwan due more to him and his perceived value or lack of thereof and limited budget or had more to do with girls, the general vibe and dating culture there? Would appreciate your feedback on that.
Cheers guys!
In terms of general safety (which doesn't apply to pick-up), extremely safe. Safer than Seoul, and Seoul's really safe. You could probably walk around here at 4am shouting "Somebody take my wallet" and no one would do it. Not once have I walked past a pack of 'shady looking people' or had to look over my shoulder. I'm from Southampton (England), so the difference in atmosphere on the streets at night is extraordinary. Note: this applies to Taipei, I've heard Kaohsiung is a little different.
In terms of safety to do with pick-up. Still very safe. A world apart from Korea's jealous cock-blockers.
Let me detail a couple of experiences I've had in each country, to give an insight, before I give a summary.
Korea:
1) I remember walking hand-in-hand with a blonde Korean girl towards the beachfront in Ulsan. (Korean girls are a headache, I think you have to be 'more beta' with them, either way I gave up with them after I got the flag).
In the distance, to the left, there must have been at least 14 high-school boys (about sixteen/seventeen years old) play-fighting on the concrete structures on the pier. When they saw us approach, they all froze and STARED. I heard one of them say "WOW" and I heard other murmurs which indicated genuine confusion. It wasn't aggressive, but it showed the rarity of this sight for Korean men. They were gobsmacked
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2) I remember at night in the built up area of Ulsan, my friend asked two girls for directions to a 'good bar'. They seemed pretty flattered at the approach (my friend is incredibly good-looking for a start).
They happily showed us the way and we walked for about five minutes through the busy streets. Literally the entire way, Korean men cocked their heads aggressively at us. It was like Moses walking through a parted sea of angry jealous cock-blockers, I've never seen anything like it.
3) Just countless occasions where Korean men in the nearby vicinity would angrily 'monitor' the situation when you're talking to a Korean girl. I've had guys interrupt my conversation, hug me and the girl I'm dancing with, and generally just try and keep me 'off to the side' at a club.
Summary:
Korean guys get JEALOUS. They view Korean girls as 'their women'. They hate white guys approaching 'their women' and they will do anything to stop it. This phenomenon is annoying as a Korean woman then feels under even more social pressure to reject you, just to save face. It's bullshit.
Then again, I've seen this in other countries, including my own. It's unfair to just hate on Korea because I'm a bitter white guy. If a Polish fruit-picker tries to talk to an English girl in Southampton, he will get cock-blocked the shit out of by the English guys in the room, as his place in English society is perceived as 'too low' for him to be allowed to talk to such a girl.
In Korea, your value as a western man is akin to a Polish fruit-picker in England, or any club's resident Indian Race Troll. You have NEGATIVE exotic capital.
Taipei:
1) I went onto the dance floor at Lava and began to dance. After about a minute, a group consisting of three Taiwanese girls and two Taiwanese guys came over. They were smiling. One of the guy's planted his female friend in my arms. The rest of the group put their thumbs up as if to say "here you go". I danced with her for about ten seconds, then the other female friend grabbed my hand and planted it on the girl's ass. She then winked, put her thumb up again, and the rest of the group moved away. Madness. This would never happen in Korea.
2) I got my flag here on my second visit to Luxy. I was standing on the edge of the dance floor and a girl comes up to me and says "Do you want to dance?". This would never happen in Korea, there is no mixing of genders in Korean nightclubs! It's like a school disco (expect maybe Itaewon).
On other occasions girls have come up to me on their own accord and have started conversation or have tried to make out with me. It's not hugely common, it maybe happens one in every three/four nights out here. But again, this would never happen in Korea, no matter how ugly or desperate the girl is. The Confucianist cock-blocking society is against her in Korea.
3) I was leaving the club and heading towards a taxi. I had a pretty bad night in Myst and had only got some meager number-closes. I literally opened the damn door of the taxi when some guy taps me on the shoulder from behind and says "Hey! my friend likes you!". He then walks me to his friend who was standing outside the FamilyMart about twenty metres behind us. Then he just walks off and leaves me to talk to her alone. She was a cute, delicate little 19 year-old. I talked to her for a minute, number closed her, took some photos with her, gave her a hug and went on my way. Nothing came of it unfortunately. But once again, this would never happen in Korea. Korean guys are too jealous to let a girl talk to a western guy that she likes.
Summary:
Taiwanese guys are friendly. They do not view Taiwanese girls as 'their woman'. They know that they have no right to step in without great justification. I have personally not seen a single instance of cock-blocking in a club here. They are more than accommodating. I've had some awesome dance-offs with some of these guys, they're great fun. A lot of them don't even approach, so they just kinda 'blend in' if I'm honest.
It may be different if you're a poorly-dressed backpacker with no charm, though (which no one on this forum is). I think they would cock-block if they saw some loser in baggy cargo shorts try and grab their friend on the dance floor.
Winston Wu
In regards to Winston Wu, well I am amazed at just how negative his account is. I think there is something iffy about him. I don't know much about this guy, so apologies if I say anything stupid. Is this guy into game? who is he?
Anyway, here's what I think. Firstly, he doesn't look particularly handsome or well-dressed, I think these two count for something in Taiwan, as the guys here dress VERY well in clubs. Taiwanese guys are very fashionable. Expect Korean style shirts, smart shoes and blazers.
Secondly, He seems to constantly mention how Taiwanese girls don't like his 'political and social unorthodoxy', or something along those lines. He reminds me of the English teachers here who go to clubs and say "Look man, we are white GODS here! the girls will come-a-runnin' bro'
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". Then they are confused why they always leave the place empty-handed after three months of going there. You have to adapt here and remove any ego. I used to think I had exotic capital as a white guy here, then I realised I didn't and it GREATLY helped me.
His account of Taipei is not completely off though. This is where I stress the importance of the 'Three types of Taiwanese girls' I have previously mentioned. His account is based on the 'Type A' girls. These girls are COLD. There are countless occasions where I have gone up to these girls (whilst suited up to the nines) and I have said "Hello" or whatever and they have COMPLETELY ignored me. They will just continue their conversation or just stare into space. They won't even look at you. Happened MANY times. If his account is based on these girls, then it's very accurate.
Also, it's worth stating. There are some blogs on the internet which state that Taipei is an EASY place for girls. These are typically written by loser English teachers here. This is not true, and it is not a holistic insight into the city. Most English teachers here say that Taiwan is an 'easy place for girls'. But these guys only go to Roxy, Carnegie's and The Brass Monkey. Or they go to Babe 18 and take home a 5/10 or sometimes a 6/10. I've had friends of mine say that "They had a date last night" with a "really hot girl" and I've gotten jealous and questioned my game, then they've showed me the photo and my brain starts laughing uncontrollably. One guy said that "he was talking to a model on Skout". He showed off the photo to my friends and everyone (apart from me) high-fived the guy, even though he hadn't even met her! She didn't even look like a girl I would approach at 3.30am in a club.
I think if you're a guy with no game here, you can get a 6/10 every few months without much effort (although usually these girls are found online or at the dive bars). This is much better than what a lot of the teachers here were getting at home, so they tend to exaggerate how good it is for them. It is a good place, but I wouldn't have gotten my results without the game I learnt, my style and my high number of approaches.