[Thoroughbred]

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/stop-th...2r5ex.html

I find it interesting that certain groups advocate certain policies for no discernible reason, like the author of the above article.

[tiggaling]

Hi Tailgunner,

Have you been to Syria? I have before the war and the place was pretty together. People are big on family values and community values. You will not get the kind of officious petty BS you get in countries like Australia. Sometimes people there wouldn't let me pay for my meal. These people understand hospitality and I found a lot of warmth there you would just almost never find in Australia. In comparison, Australia is an alienated and fractured culture.

Don't get me wrong, I see the good in Australia, as I see the bad. But I see the bad very clearly. People in Australia are generally miserable folks, almost never will you see or meet an authentically happy person.

People in Australia often have superficial social values and in general, the ethos that people live by is often, shallow, petty and shut down.

Australian males have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. 1 in 10 young males in Australia in 2012 is said to be prone to suicide and 5 out of 10 are said to be very stressed. Australia has also the 2nd highest suicide rate in the world. Could this statistic be telling us maybe Australia is not "one of the best" countries to live in the world?

(09-24-2013 04:31 PM)Tailgunner Wrote:  

If the young society/culture that Anglo-Saxon Australians has produced is so inferior then why would the vast majority of the world's people move here in a heartbeat for a better life/style from the societies that their (in your view) superior cultures have produced?

And if you had read what I said, you would have noticed how I mentioned repeatedly how disenfranchised many of these immigrants actually are when they get to "grass is supposedly greener land"

I'm not saying immigrants are culturally superior, I'm saying, they are not half civilised or inferior people. They are equal. They have many wonderful aspects to their culture and personhod, people like yourself, who may only focus on external factors, will probably never know.

[Que enspastic]

That's it, time to move to Syria.

[Samseau]

(09-25-2013 11:43 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Hi Tailgunner,

Have you been to Syria? I have before the war and the place was pretty together. People are big on family values and community values. You will not get the kind of officious petty BS you get in countries like Australia. Sometimes people there wouldn't let me pay for my meal. These people understand hospitality and I found a lot of warmth there you would just almost never find in Australia. In comparison, Australia is an alienated and fractured culture.

You are in denial. Syria has been having an ongoing civil war for a very long time now. How can you say it is better than Australia? What are you talking about?

No one is going to ever take you seriously again, at least not on these boards.

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Don't get me wrong, I see the good in Australia, as I see the bad. But I see the bad very clearly. People in Australia are generally miserable folks, almost never will you see or meet an authentically happy person.

People in Australia often have superficial social values and in general, the ethos that people live by is often, shallow, petty and shut down.

Australian males have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. 1 in 10 young males in Australia in 2012 is said to be prone to suicide and 5 out of 10 are said to be very stressed. Australia has also the 2nd highest suicide rate in the world. Could this statistic be telling us maybe Australia is not "one of the best" countries to live in the world?

Maybe they are miserable because they are being flooded with third-world trash that's killing their society?

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(09-24-2013 04:31 PM)Tailgunner Wrote:  

If the young society/culture that Anglo-Saxon Australians has produced is so inferior then why would the vast majority of the world's people move here in a heartbeat for a better life/style from the societies that their (in your view) superior cultures have produced?

And if you had read what I said, you would have noticed how I mentioned repeatedly how disenfranchised many of these immigrants actually are when they get to "grass is supposedly greener land"

I'm not saying immigrants are culturally superior, I'm saying, they are not half civilised or inferior people. They are equal. They have many wonderful aspects to their culture and personhod, people like yourself, who may only focus on external factors, will probably never know.

No one is saying that people from different countries are bad. We aren't talking about people, we are talking about cultures. These are two very different things, but brainwashed left-wingers such as yourself are incapable of seeing the big picture.

[Tailgunner]

Tiggaling,
No I haven't been to Syria. And it looks a little...exciting. ..for the moment. Their "sense of community" is on full display for the world...I'll stick to enjoying a Grand Final bbq with friends/family on the weekend, perhaps a surf on Sunday if the swell comes up...
Firing RPGs and bullets at my Protestant neighbours holds little appeal for some reason?
So under Assad Syria resembled a Care Bears movie? I'm sure Saddam's Iraq "before the war" would have been to your eclectic tastes too. "Pretty together" and I'm sure a free meal would have been offered to an intrepid traveller such as yourself- accompanied by much effusive praise for the wondrous regime of their Great Leader Hussein.
Perhaps not such an idyllic picture in the homes of oppressed Shiites, Kurds or Marsh Arabs though!
Heard of the Halabja massacre? Just a gentle warning to the pesky Kurds to keep their ambitions in check?
Strange that only brutal dictators/clerics can maintain social cohesion in these cultured places no? Take away the Iron Fist (Iraq,Syria,Egypt,Libya et al) and then look at their amazing community spirit.

[scorpion]

It's pretty clear from reading his posts that tiggaling is thoroughly an anti-white racist. I mean he said flat out that he doesn't think much of Western culture and wouldn't mind seeing it disappear. Imagine the howls from the left if a white Westerner said something like that about African or Arab culture?

There's just no point even engaging a person like him in debate. He's essentially been brainwashed by cultural Marxists to become self-loathing (if he himself is white) or else if he is non-white himself he is simply a massive racist who doesn't think that white/Western culture deserves to survive in the world.

[Tailgunner]

Agreed Scorp- couldn't quite help myself...
Maybe he was brainwashed 'Homeland-style' while enjoying the free meals in wealthy Alawite neighborhoods haha...
I thought our Cultural Cringe had died sometime in the 90s...obviously I was mistaken.
Odd that he doesn't hold feminist views also...

[kosko]

(09-25-2013 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-25-2013 11:43 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Hi Tailgunner,

Have you been to Syria? I have before the war and the place was pretty together. People are big on family values and community values. You will not get the kind of officious petty BS you get in countries like Australia. Sometimes people there wouldn't let me pay for my meal. These people understand hospitality and I found a lot of warmth there you would just almost never find in Australia. In comparison, Australia is an alienated and fractured culture.

You are in denial. Syria has been having an ongoing civil war for a very long time now. How can you say it is better than Australia? What are you talking about?

No one is going to ever take you seriously again, at least not on these boards.

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Don't get me wrong, I see the good in Australia, as I see the bad. But I see the bad very clearly. People in Australia are generally miserable folks, almost never will you see or meet an authentically happy person.

People in Australia often have superficial social values and in general, the ethos that people live by is often, shallow, petty and shut down.

Australian males have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. 1 in 10 young males in Australia in 2012 is said to be prone to suicide and 5 out of 10 are said to be very stressed. Australia has also the 2nd highest suicide rate in the world. Could this statistic be telling us maybe Australia is not "one of the best" countries to live in the world?

Maybe they are miserable because they are being flooded with third-world trash that's killing their society?

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(09-24-2013 04:31 PM)Tailgunner Wrote:  

If the young society/culture that Anglo-Saxon Australians has produced is so inferior then why would the vast majority of the world's people move here in a heartbeat for a better life/style from the societies that their (in your view) superior cultures have produced?

And if you had read what I said, you would have noticed how I mentioned repeatedly how disenfranchised many of these immigrants actually are when they get to "grass is supposedly greener land"

I'm not saying immigrants are culturally superior, I'm saying, they are not half civilised or inferior people. They are equal. They have many wonderful aspects to their culture and personhod, people like yourself, who may only focus on external factors, will probably never know.

No one is saying that people from different countries are bad. We aren't talking about people, we are talking about cultures. These are two very different things, but brainwashed left-wingers such as yourself are incapable of seeing the big picture.

Most of Damascus is quite calm. I am on my phone but there is a video from a reporter whom was there a few weeks back and people were lounging by a pool/wading pond. Only certain pockets are ravished by war currently, the rebels can only do a random suicide bombing in the major cities these days. Not saying its a oasis but it's far from the image of gore and burning that we have been shown over the years from war zones.

[tiggaling]

(09-25-2013 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You are in denial. Syria has been having an ongoing civil war for a very long time now. How can you say it is better than Australia? What are you talking about?

I'm not saying it is "better", I'm saying there were positive aspects to life in Syria, that people who haven't been there would likely not know about. I went there before the civil war.

For one, almost no crime. Hard to believe, but its true. The family is so strong there, that nobody will commit a crime, because it would bring dishonor to their family. Yes, in comparison, Australian is a fractured society in that regard.

No drugs and no drinking of alcohol. For some, this may be bad; but actually, it felt like the people had their head on straight and just took the opportunity to enjoy coffee or a cup of tea (which you are quite often invited to have with them)

Yeah, every blue moon, you might be invited into an Australian home, for a cup of coffee, but very, very rarely with strangers or tourists. Like I said, very hospitable people.

This does not mean life is better in Syria, but I met one guy who said his father worked as a professional in Australia. He didn't want to go, he thought it was a stupid place! Not everyone thinks Australia is the land of milk and honey.

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Maybe they are miserable because they are being flooded with third-world trash that's killing their society?

wow, I'm surprised you said that! I bet there are quite a few people on this board whose parents are "third world trash"

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No one is saying that people from different countries are bad. We aren't talking about people, we are talking about cultures. These are two very different things, but brainwashed left-wingers such as yourself are incapable of seeing the big picture.

hey, there is something to be said for the culture, and if you haven't been there, haven't spent time with people of this culture, how are you to know what it is really about? you only watch CNN and get the cliched stereotypes.

(09-25-2013 07:38 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

It's pretty clear from reading his posts that tiggaling is thoroughly an anti-white racist. I mean he said flat out that he doesn't think much of Western culture and wouldn't mind seeing it disappear. Imagine the howls from the left if a white Westerner said something like that about African or Arab culture?

I would be sad if western culture disappeared for sure, there is a lot of things I really like about it - the music, the humour, the creativity etc. but there is a lot things I dislike about it. Now, I am allowed to do that, and not be called a "racist".

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There's just no point even engaging a person like him in debate. He's essentially been brainwashed by cultural Marxists to become self-loathing (if he himself is white) or else if he is non-white himself he is simply a massive racist who doesn't think that white/Western culture deserves to survive in the world.

I didn't say that and I don't believe that.

I haven't been brainwashed by anyone, I've come to my own conclusions and understandings, which it sounds like a bit too non-polarised and intricate for some here to understand.

It is not about "self-loathing", but getting over this "white pride" nonsense and seeing the negative aspects about your own culture in a fresh light.

[tiggaling]

Samseau,

I'm just wondering if you are not being somewhat tongue in cheek about this "third world trash" comment? How many third world countries have you been to? I'm just wondering what you base such a comment upon or what brought you to have such a strong opinion about people from the third world to see that they were all "trash"?

You know in countries like America, they say god created man equal, that all people are human beings and none is inherently higher or lower than the other.

Then there is this view that A-rabs are half civilised people. Well, if you go back to the time of the crusades, it was the crusaders who perhaps "less civilised", they smelt for one thing, and brought back the use of soap to europe. At that time, the Muslim world were more advanced when it came to things like Art and Science. Also, the Muslims were noted to have treated their women better than the europeans. Funnily enough, the europeans got their import of the ultimate "betadom", troubadorism from the Muslim world!

This word civilised is misused a lot, to the point I'm not sure what it means anymore or I'm not sure that people who use this word, and say people from other cultures are uncivilised really know what they are saying.

People in the muslim world really help out their brother. Ever got your car broke down in western europe? nobody will help you. You gotta wait for the organisation you pay for (if you have paid that organisation) and wait it out.

If the same thing happens in a muslim country, everyone will come and help you out. (it has happened to me many times) I think that is pretty damned civilised.

Or did you know in Saudia Arabia, if you are a woman and having financial trouble because of some accident or problem that has arisen, you can go to the local leader, state your case and he'll often give you some cash! I tend to think that is pretty civilised. Some Americans may disagree, they may believe this woman is a loser and deserves to suffer and society will made weaker by dependance on such "handouts"! But is that view "civilised" I wonder? You see, the definition of this word is not truly objective and understood by everyone in the same way.

[eradicator]

"New Australian government has almost no women."

What does it mean?

[T and A Man]

New - We had an election this month and the government has been replaced
Australian - the country of cool blokes and entitled women
Government - para-criminals
has almost no - approaching zero, less than before, unacceptably few by feminists quota standards
women - the less useful half of the population.

[Que enspastic]

This is what we have to watch out for. Diplomatic disagreements will occur but to get that kind of highly visible public leaking requires some serious mistrust to occur in the first place.

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Indonesia's foreign minister warns Abbott government against taking any “unilateral steps” over asylum seekers

September 27, 2013 - 3:00AM


Michael Bachelard
Indonesia correspondent for Fairfax Media

Asylum seeker talks made public ... Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop met with Minister for Foreign Affairs of Indonesia, Dr Marty Natalegawa, in New York earlier this week. Photo: Trevor Collens
Indonesia's foreign minister has ignored a plea by Julie Bishop to deal with the asylum seeker issue “behind the scenes,” by publishing a virtual transcript of their private conversation earlier this week.

The detailed press statement from the Indonesian foreign minister Marty Natalegawa shows him bluntly warning the Abbott government against taking any “unilateral steps” which would risk “cooperation and trust” between the two countries.

Australia is ready to fully cooperate with the Indonesian Government in dealing with this issue ‘behind the scenes’ and ‘quietly’ to avoid publicity that could have a negative impact on Australia's efforts

The Indonesians’ release of details of the conversation between the two foreign ministers in New York on Monday is highly unusual in diplomacy, and will raise the temperature further in an already super-heated debate, just days before Tony Abbott meets president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in Jakarta.

Indonesian foreign minister Marty Natalegawa warned the Australian Government against 'unilateral action' over asylum seekers.

Mr Abbott insisted on Thursday that his government was already “working very well together” with Indonesia, and that “we absolutely respect Indonesia's sovereignty”.

But the former Coalition foreign minister Alexander Downer is pressing Mr Abbott to take a tougher line. He said it was Australia’s sovereignty that was threatened by asylum seeker vessels, that Indonesia bore a “heavy responsibility” for their arrival, and that the Indonesians were employing “pious rhetoric” on the issue.

The minutes of the New York meeting reveal once again the Australian Government’s strong preference for keeping the issue of towing boats back to Indonesia out of the public eye.

Ms Bishop is quoted as saying: “Australia is ready to fully cooperate with the Indonesian Government in dealing with this issue ‘behind the scenes’ and ‘quietly’ to avoid publicity that could have a negative impact on Australia's efforts”.

She explained to Mr Natalegawa that the “failure of the previous government” had prompted Mr Abbott’s regional deterrence policy, which would stop asylum seekers coming to Australia but “also to prevent Australia's neighbouring countries becoming transit countries”.

The Australian foreign minister asked for Indonesia’s support in stopping Indonesian-flagged fishing boats being used to transport asylum seekers.

Indonesia, she added, would be the "cornerstone of Australia's foreign policy,” and Australia would “continue to prioritise Indonesia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

The minutes reveal that Mr Natalegawa responded by underlining the importance of multilateral forums, saying he “suggested” that the “steps that will be taken by Australia be put under the Bali Process”.

“It’s feared that unilateral steps by Australia may constitute a risk to the close cooperation and trust that has been built within the Bali Process framework and therefore they should be avoided,” Mr Natalegawa said.

He said a multilateral approach would prevent “a shocking effect to the system that has been built so far”.

He also suggested that the two countries start from scratch in formulating new asylum seeker policies, saying they should perform a “stocktake” of areas of common interest and then develop a “blueprint or road-map” for ways forward.

Connecting any policies to existing multilateral solutions would “make these policies more publicly acceptable,” he said.

Indonesia has consistently emphasised a multilateral approach through the Bali process, which was set up by Mr Yudhoyono and John Howard, and is jointly chaired by the two countries.

Mr Abbott said before the election he would repair the relationship with Indonesia he said had been “trashed” by Labor. He is hoping that the focus of his Monday meeting with Dr Yudhoyono will be on trade and economic ties.

Earlier this week, Ms Bishop said the meeting with Mr Natalegawa had been "very cordial", "positive and very productive".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/i...z2fztc6fs6

[PoosyWrecker]

(09-26-2013 05:44 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Or did you know in Saudia Arabia, if you are a woman and having financial trouble because of some accident or problem that has arisen, you can go to the local leader, state your case and he'll often give you some cash! I tend to think that is pretty civilised.

Do you know what the punishment for apostasy is in Islam? Go find out and tell us if you tend to think that's civilized.