[ElJefe]

This thread is giving me complexes. I'm a well-built guy (or so I think) and have never touched anything more than whey and creatine. Sounds like I'm missing out?

[mikeymike]

(09-17-2013 12:27 AM)roid Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 12:10 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:41 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Professional muscle = garbage

Afboard and gh15 = legit.

this.

and please everybody don't bring up bb'ing.com or elitefitness, do yourself a favor and avoid them.

Off topic...

I tried to register to gh15 website but it's always saying that the mod will review and approve my registration before I can enter. For months, it's still like that. How do I enter the site?

they had shut down new members for a long period, there was like a 15k long queue to try to join as of last month and it's gotten worse since then... and there was internal house cleaning going on which held up the review process. The plan is to let 5k in shortly, they still haven't done so I believe but it should be happening sooner than later, depending where you fall on the queue you may or may not get in or you need a high level member to vouch for you. Biostraining and icecreamfitness are both gh15ers and talk about the site on their channels so the log jams just getting worse and worse.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Quote:

My family has a history of male depression and I suspect a big component is lifelong low baseline of testosterone.

All a man needs to combat depression is testosterone and pussy.

~gh15 approved.

[WanderingSoul]

Mike,

The little I've read about a beginners gear cycle is that you should wait until you have trained for 5ish years solid before doing gear, so that you are close to your genetic potential, and then use gear to get your ideal body.

What about someone whose goal isn't to be a bodybuilder, or walk around significantly heavier than their genetic potential, but whose goal is to reach their genetic potential more quickly?

Would someone who has been training consistently for one year (over a 1,000lb total), and has their diet in check, be well served to use a beginner gear cycle to hit close to their genetic potential quicker?

Any thoughts on this are appreciated.

This is the link that I read: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...d_planning

[MunichSux]

One thing to consider if you want to add HGH ... it can give you weird facial feature(s) growth. Look at Sly's face when he was only on Testo (Rambo II was filmed in 1985)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr63bj7BGWI&hd=1

Sly 2007: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...drugs.html

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-17-2013 05:54 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  

One thing to consider if you want to add HGH ... it can give you weird facial feature(s) growth. Look at Sly's face when he was only on Testo (Rambo II was filmed in 1985)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr63bj7BGWI&hd=1

Sly 2007: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...drugs.html

Was it hgh or plastic surgery that did that?

[worldwidetraveler]

Thanks for the great info guys. It sounds like this is a weekly needle prick thing which makes me wonder how you can travel. Do any of you guys travel a lot while on these regiments?

[reaper23]

(09-17-2013 07:32 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Thanks for the great info guys. It sounds like this is a weekly needle prick thing which makes me wonder how you can travel. Do any of you guys travel a lot while on these regiments?

if you have RX you can travel anywhere with it.

I have.

just check it to be easiest. and the gear itself is relatively small in terms of space.

[reaper23]

[double post. seems to be happening to me a lot lately, weird]

[reaper23]

mikeymike:

count me as a dupe wrt to phil hernon. i bought some of his peptides and as far as i could tell, only impact was making me feel like shit and swollen up like a balloon. ghrp2 and mod 129.

that being said i also was doing 100 mcg x 5 per day of each.

there was a lengthy thread on promusc where phil sent a guy in florida the peptides and the guy did a series of tests where he posted his blood work. seemed legit to me...or a big ass troll with lots of effort and multiple people. the guy was a doctor and seemed like he knew what was what

i've read dat's board back and forth, thats where i got the 5 x d protocol.

peptides are appealing to me because they supposedly dont have the same potential consequences of type 2 diabetes as hgh does.

thoughts on that?

[CallSignBigRed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_a..._modulator

The link above is called sarms for short. Its suppose to replace steroids in the long run because it doesn't have the harsh side affects like hgh and test has. There really isn't a need to do heavy pcts on these. Yes its true you wont gain in sane amounts of muscle on it but you will pack on more than normal. also a lot of people have from steroids is once you do steroids it will lower your natural test levels. for instance the normal test levels for men is between 600-700. There is a good chance it will lower from that number.

a great thing about sarms is that the muscle you pack on you have a better chance of holding on to it because its not like steroids where you are forced with to eat like a pig all the time. The side affects are very minimal compared to say test-tren-hgh-dol-androl etc. with sarms if you are subject to hairloss like myself this product will not harm you.

Its also a lot cheaper than steroids just to add.

[reaper23]

Csbg:

No offense but I can't really take that post seriously as you are making false statements which damage credibility. Lumping test and tren together in terms of side effects is silly.

What are the harsh side effects of test that you speak of? Ones that are universal and can't be managed?


Tren on the other hand does have some harsh side effects but to those who use it, it is worth it. Personally I've used tren and think it is a miracle drug but the side effects are harsh. As I once heard said about it: I can't wait to get on it and I can't wait to get off it

[MHaes]

(09-17-2013 12:26 AM)Hades Wrote:  

I'm probably going to be on it once I'm 55 or 60 and the realization hits that my best years are long behind me

Buddy, in terms of reaching your natural potential, your best days are behind you around 30...not 60.

[mikeymike]

(09-17-2013 11:05 AM)CallSignBigRed Wrote:  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_a..._modulator

The link above is called sarms for short. Its suppose to replace steroids in the long run because it doesn't have the harsh side affects like hgh and test has. There really isn't a need to do heavy pcts on these. Yes its true you wont gain in sane amounts of muscle on it but you will pack on more than normal. also a lot of people have from steroids is once you do steroids it will lower your natural test levels. for instance the normal test levels for men is between 600-700.There is a good chance it will lower from that number.

a great thing about sarms is that the muscle you pack on you have a better chance of holding on to it because its not like steroids where you are forced with to eat like a pig all the time. The side affects are very minimal compared to say test-tren-hgh-dol-androl etc. with sarms if you are subject to hairloss like myself this product will not harm you.

Its also a lot cheaper than steroids just to add.

Sarms are great on paper, application has proven them woefully underwhelming. Its a minor step up over natty, and your knowledge of steroids is seriously lacking. There are loads of aas that guys prone to hairloss can use safely but youd rather dip a toe into enhancement rather than jump in. The eating like a pig thing is a joke. Comparing the aas you did, is laughable. They will never replace steroids, and the good chance steroids will lower natural test numbers, age will also lower natural test numbers, as will any number of factors but what you fail to mention is test levels can be re-established. Pro bb'er are the worst serial abusers of aas and look to the masters guys, all have children, no long term damage done to the hpta, you're just fear mongering.

[mikeymike]

(09-17-2013 07:45 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

mikeymike:

count me as a dupe wrt to phil hernon. i bought some of his peptides and as far as i could tell, only impact was making me feel like shit and swollen up like a balloon. ghrp2 and mod 129.

that being said i also was doing 100 mcg x 5 per day of each.

there was a lengthy thread on promusc where phil sent a guy in florida the peptides and the guy did a series of tests where he posted his blood work. seemed legit to me...or a big ass troll with lots of effort and multiple people. the guy was a doctor and seemed like he knew what was what

i've read dat's board back and forth, thats where i got the 5 x d protocol.

peptides are appealing to me because they supposedly dont have the same potential consequences of type 2 diabetes as hgh does.

thoughts on that?

lol dont feel bad, I was there with ya, I bought that folli on the hype had to try it but figured out quick he was a snakeoil salesman. The tests alpha ran again I dont trust for a second, he never runs a truely independent test, he sent directly to alpha, there are real peptides out there they just cost a premium, not anywhere near what he sells them at, he couldve easily grabbed some from a research lab and gotten great paper results as nobody but his close friends seem to get similar results the tests seem to indicate. But he always points back to those tests, as proof. If I were in biz, and I controlled what product was gonna be tested better bet your ass i was sending the best product available. Dats probably the reigning expert on peptides and he wont touch phils garbage that should say it all.

Peptides are appealing, the limited sides and potential sounds intriguing but of the experts that seem to be obsessed with them on dats and elsewhere, like Bushido, not one looks half decent, so im hesitant to add another 5 pokes to my already 5 pokes a day if they cant help a mediocre physique improve. None of the pros and amateurs I know use any outside of igf if they can get the real deal but thats crazy expensive to come by, 4-5x more than gh for the real deal...and I asked Meadows and my boy is using Farrah for his prep and they both dont recommend them so this might be like the sarms I wrote about above, might be better on paper than in reality, as peptides continue to evolve and newer products become available and quality rises I think there might be potential there coming up but right now not sure. Your experience seems to be telling you the same thing. Save that money for more tren

[mikeymike]

(09-17-2013 01:08 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Mike,

The little I've read about a beginners gear cycle is that you should wait until you have trained for 5ish years solid before doing gear, so that you are close to your genetic potential, and then use gear to get your ideal body.

What about someone whose goal isn't to be a bodybuilder, or walk around significantly heavier than their genetic potential, but whose goal is to reach their genetic potential more quickly?

Would someone who has been training consistently for one year (over a 1,000lb total), and has their diet in check, be well served to use a beginner gear cycle to hit close to their genetic potential quicker?

Any thoughts on this are appreciated.

This is the link that I read: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...d_planning

In a perfect world, every guy would wait till they've reached their natty potential but reality is of most of the bb'ers out there very few waited that long. The real important factor isn't that you've reached natty potential its that you're dedicated, consistent and know how to manipulate your diet towards your goals and have a solid foundation of strength and build. The problem becomes when guys who lift for a couple months get on and don't know how to eat, barely how to workout, and put on 30 pounds quick, mostly bloat from a shitty diet which they lose quickly and they criticize aas for being shit and them looking like shit, or they assume that aas means they dont have to work hard so theyll work out sparingly and get no results...or worse because their body isnt ready, they came into it with no muscle base or little strength... their body isnt ready for the weights theyll be able to push while on and they end up tearing something and messing themselves up. As long as youve been working out consistently hard, and are dedicated, as long as you research the compounds you want to use and understand the potential sides and how to counter them and have a solid base (strength and decent muscle) going in and know how to eat towards your goal...you're probably ready to blast.

[Duke Castile]

(09-17-2013 12:08 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:02 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Googled turinabol, stuff sounds great actually.

I'm guessing it's manufactured in underground labs though. Anyone know anything about this?

I'm down for some HGH.

I'll go get tested for T. If I'm in normal range I'm not taking it unless I absolutely have to.

sorry I missed this earlier, Turinabol is basically dbol that doesn't bloat, strength gains, some lean muscle gains but again for an active individual it's gonna be hell. Shin and calf pumps while running, jumping, which im not a crossfit guy but I believe is part of the deal. Not to mention lower back pumps which the dbol guys can probably attest can be a pain, nothing like fucking and having your back seize up on ya lol. Active sports and orals aren't great mixes, embrace oils and the needle fisto, they're easier on the body and far more bioavailable than an oral, just gotta get over the fear of a little prick.

I'm actually not afraid of the needle at all. I was injecting vitamin C in high doses for a long time.

Also some aminos and Vit D.

I'm just afraid of screwing with my hair and my balls.

I'm open to the injections. I called a bodybuilder friend of mine about gh15, said around 700 so I'm going for that right now.

He said "test is everything you want".

I'm holding out for the results to see if I'm in range.

[mikeymike]

(09-17-2013 02:11 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 12:08 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:02 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Googled turinabol, stuff sounds great actually.

I'm guessing it's manufactured in underground labs though. Anyone know anything about this?

I'm down for some HGH.

I'll go get tested for T. If I'm in normal range I'm not taking it unless I absolutely have to.

sorry I missed this earlier, Turinabol is basically dbol that doesn't bloat, strength gains, some lean muscle gains but again for an active individual it's gonna be hell. Shin and calf pumps while running, jumping, which im not a crossfit guy but I believe is part of the deal. Not to mention lower back pumps which the dbol guys can probably attest can be a pain, nothing like fucking and having your back seize up on ya lol. Active sports and orals aren't great mixes, embrace oils and the needle fisto, they're easier on the body and far more bioavailable than an oral, just gotta get over the fear of a little prick.

I'm actually not afraid of the needle at all. I was injecting vitamin C in high doses for a long time.

Also some aminos and Vit D.

I'm just afraid of screwing with my hair and my balls.

I'm open to the injections. I called a bodybuilder friend of mine about gh15, said around 700 so I'm going for that right now.

He said "test is everything you want".

I'm holding out for the results to see if I'm in range.

Well you're ahead of most guys them, the pokes freak a lot of guys out initially.

As I mentioned balls shouldn't be a concern at your age but wait for the results and see where you stand. Re: Hair loss, if you're prone to hair loss, test usage could speed that up but at the doses you'd be taking, either trt or just above, it shouldn't convert too much to dht so shedding should be at a minimum and using products like nizoral do help in that regard. If you're not prone to hair loss then upping test won't make a lick of difference. Your friend sounds smart, said the same as me on test being what you need 700 is a good price on the gh, I assume it's serostim, thats about going rate on that but its 126 iu so it should last you over a month, its good value for gh. If you get a chance find out what gh it is and let me know, just wanna make sure you're getting an fda approved one.

[reaper23]

reading up on GH15. interesting character.

tren ace is the way to go he says

can't really argue with that

[Pyre]

tren is da bomb, except for pip, pinning ed & tren cough.

[MikeCF]

(09-17-2013 05:53 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

reading up on GH15. interesting character.

tren ace is the way to go he says

can't really argue with that

Could'v sworn I had sent you the GH 15 Bible:

http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com

[Master Of My Own Kingdom]

You'd need to get some bloods done but something like 100-150 mg of testosterone enanthate would do the trick for 95% of guys. Bare in mind, this is not considered a steroid stack per se because with these small doses your aim is to push your testostrone to the upper physiological range which is 900-100ng. Obviously this will help you to increase your muscle mass and sexual health, but it's more for anti aging and life extension.

(09-15-2013 04:44 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Learning a lot thru these BB threads. Something to keep in mind when I hit my late 40s/early 50s

What would "smart drug" supplementation look like? What are the downsides? Can you drink?

[007]

Fisto, if your not comfortable with injecting test then my I recommend that you try the subcutaceous fat injections.

Inject 25mg per day of test enanthate (or even three times per week). Use insulin pins and you are done. Injecting smaller, more regular doses pretty much eliminates the testosterones conversion to estrogen. Less spikes in the blood and much closer to the natural pulses of test that your body normally produces. I've been on this type of dosing regime for the past year and I feel amazing.

(09-15-2013 06:03 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

MikeCF - what's the cost of anavar (roundabout) and how do you cycle it etc?

I'm about to start training hard again and I want to recover as quickly as possible and minimize injury etc. You know the drill.

I'm not crazy about the idea of shooting test for some reason, it's probably just my understanding of it but I feel like mine is through the roof as is...

What's a low level of GH?

[007]

No, this is a side effect of 'overdosing' on GH. Acromegaly is the name of the abnormal bone and organ growth. HRT doses of gh will NOT cause this, we're only talking 1-2iu of gh per day.

(09-17-2013 05:54 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  

One thing to consider if you want to add HGH ... it can give you weird facial feature(s) growth. Look at Sly's face when he was only on Testo (Rambo II was filmed in 1985)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr63bj7BGWI&hd=1

Sly 2007: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...drugs.html

[mikeymike]

(09-17-2013 06:05 PM)Pyre Wrote:  

tren is da bomb, except for pip, pinning ed & tren cough.

a good tren product shouldn't have any pip.

as for tren cough, little tip, if you feel it coming on, grab an alcohol pad and smell it, it'll kill the cough so it doesn't drag on.