[DonovanVC]

I've read through most of Bang, and it is a really good book. However, one thing that plagues my game are the other chicks in the group and I have not seen a section in Bang about how to deal with the other chicks in the group (there was a bit in Approach Logistics section from what I remember reading).

there are times when I approach the girl I want, or I start by approaching one of the other girls and work my way towards my target. But regardless, I have to pay attention to the other girls to avoid getting cockblocked and seed the isolation.

Any tips on how to better game the group? Telling stories is probably the best way, but in loud clubs or dancefloors its not the best way (and you'll still get cblocked unless the cockblock/other girls have a dude).

This is especially a problem when I game solo. I guess I should tag a random guy in the bar/club to wing me at times but u never know how long he can hang.

[MiXX]

Gaming groups is my specialty. Since it is a complete must have weapon in your arsenal.

If you are out Solo, never approach too many women in a group > 4 unless its an obvious bachelorette party - then you are welcome and approach with high energy! If > 4, then wait for the girls to go to the bathroom, usually they go in pairs so its easy to either isolate the 2 that got up, or attack the ones that remain sitting down.

Also, get in the habit of merging groups together for groups > 4 - open a set of guys first elsewhere, and then merge them with a bigger set of girls - then go for your target. Opening guys is easy - just ask what the score was on any game that day/night (make a couple of comments on how shitty/great a player did)......and ask them to give you advice on local clubs and drinking bars with stream of single women, and buy them a round for being cool. You see, us men have egos, and we are damned to shame in front of our peers if we don't know the score to the Jet game (or any game). Even though we can easily look it up on our phones - it still works!

Mixed sets - never approach a woman directly in a mixed set, its a sure sign of disrespect to the guy(s) there already. And they will nail you to the wall! Always befriend the guys in the group first, and completely ignore the girl...win him, and he will eventually introduce you to his females, and then find out which one is "his".

Tip: Avoid mixed sets where there are more guys than girls i.e 5 guys and 2 girls - always go for greater girl:guy ratio in mixxed sets as one or more of the girls will be alone, and is there because she does not have a man. If the are more guys than girls, and you are sure your target is not with one of them because you have not seen them kiss/touch for at least 30 minutes, then wait for a bathroom break, and isolate then. Once you isolate - move quickly out of sight, and ask if she's having a great time with her existing company.


Finally, women walking with her gay friend - APPROACH, APPROACH, APPROACH. Gay guys are a single straight mans best friend towards getting women in bed - you see, they will do all the work for you so long as you are cool, and nice! Make sure you ask the gay guy for fashion advice, but never mention that you know he is gay - act cool. An opener asking them both if your shoes are ok with the shirt you picked out for x venue will do the trick. And when a gay man gives his girlfriend the thumbs up on you - you are almost guaranteed to get laid in the next 24hrs with your target.

Mixx

[DonovanVC]

Great tips my man. This is going to be really helpful for me.

I actually think 2-sets (two girls) can be the most difficult. Since you can't just talk to your target. And if you get a wing, your really only in as long as your wing is.

Three sets are better in that if your wing loses to 2 of teh girls, they can still talk to each other while you focus on your girl.

I also struggle with content to discuss with groups. I tend to be really good during the one-on-one, but telling stories to a group doesn't always seem to work. I have many great stories, but chicks in bars/clubs seem to like lame stories about how some crazy shit happened at a party or some drunk story, rather than my adventures abroad or the like. Maybe I am just not telling it in the right words.

[OGNorCal707]

I think it's good to address and kind of game the group at the beginning, until you are able to isolate your girl or until it is clear that she is into you, and like you're saying this can be easier with a 3-set than a two, because the other two girls can talk amongst themselves while you engage their friend. A lot of times I think it depends on the temperment and how cool her friends are, a lot of times there is the bitch friend who is the "mother hen" of the group and loves to cock block either cause she doesn't like you or does like you and is jealous of her friend. Other times, you might get lucky and the girl's friend might actually be really chill, and thinks your cool, and will be down to help facilitate things with her friend, and give her your approval. It's funny how much girls look to their friends for approval, which plays into the group gaming dynamic, even if a girl is feeling you, if all her friends in her group aren't, she'll most likely act unresponisive and uninterested.

Mixx, came with the best advice, so I have nothing really else to add, but his advice about gaming girls out with gay friends was gold, this esp. is true if you live in a liberal city with a big gay population (i.e. Miami, San Fran, NYC, etc.) To address your specific questions and thinking, telling stories is a great way to engage the group, demonstrate value, connect, show them you are interesting, etc. This is often at the core of what PUA's seem to teach, when dealing with opening sets, hooking, etc. during the early stages of gaming.

I would agree that at a typical bar/club scene a lot of the girls are either too stupid or the vibe/atmosphere is too chaotic and not conducive to really getting deep into an interesting story about traveling abroad, a deep cultural, artistic, or life changing experience, etc. Tales of travels and the like, are better saved for when you are deeper into the connecting stage of game, once you have isolated, and are 30 + mins. of conversation, also when telling stories like this to the group, I think the vibe of the venue is key, it will go over better at a party, chill lounge, art show, more than at a loud dance club.

When gaming the group, I like to use observational/situational openers and transition to conversation based on these things going on in the moment, and keep the vibe fun and playful. Humor goes a long way, and if you can get the group laughing, and thinking your funny right off the bat, not that you should be the dancing monkey or court jester, but getting the group laughing about something funny going on in the moment can be gold. Recently when I've gone out in the field, I try to get a nice buzz going and kind of go freestyle and be spontaneous, and not get too caught up in thinking mechanically with PUA routines, analysis, tactics, etc. (DHV, Neg, story tell, tease, push-pull), so a lot of times I got to think back about how I opened or what I said. One thing that I have done and some PUAs like to do to engage the group is ask the group their opinion on something that can spawn a conversation that you're all involved in.

[Kona]

Get somewhere where there are a lot of Japanese girls.

You have no choice but to open and start gaming them in little packs.

I'm great at opening groups and working on 2,3 or 4 girls at once. I just wait for the right moment to get something deeper out of one of them. I learned it gaming the J-girls.

Aloha!

[Dash Global]

I think this is the hardest game to master and get good at.

you are having to juggle and show value to numerous girls at one time. approach anxiety is multiplied.

ill be honest, im not comfortable yet doing this on a nightly basis. would much rather open an isolated target or a 2set

[Sonsowey]

My main wing never read as much pickup stuff as I did, and so never had the fear about 2-sets instilled in him. If he saw a girl he was attracted to, he just approached with some canned opener or a situational thing. I learned from him that opening 2 sets can be incredibly easy, especially if you start teasing and putting one of them against another.

For instance, he saw 2 cute white girls reject 2 black guys, and went over and asked the girls what those guys said that made the girls not like them, and they said ''oh nothing'', and then he accused them of being racist. Immediately, within 20 seconds, they were both hitting him and saying ''oh stop it!''. He got their ethnicities out of them (An Italian Argentine who didn't speak Spanish or Italian, and an Irish girl), and started teasing them both on that, occasionally positioning himself with something like ''At least Italians have x good quality, whereas the Irish don't even have that'' to put him on one side or another, then changing back right after.

Good shit. The only thing is, you obviously have to engage both of them in conversation for a good while, and be leading it.

[MiXX]

(10-19-2010 08:58 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

My main wing never read as much pickup stuff as I did, and so never had the fear about 2-sets instilled in him. If he saw a girl he was attracted to, he just approached with some canned opener or a situational thing. I learned from him that opening 2 sets can be incredibly easy, especially if you start teasing and putting one of them against another.

For instance, he saw 2 cute white girls reject 2 black guys, and went over and asked the girls what those guys said that made the girls not like them, and they said ''oh nothing'', and then he accused them of being racist. Immediately, within 20 seconds, they were both hitting him and saying ''oh stop it!''. He got their ethnicities out of them (An Italian Argentine who didn't speak Spanish or Italian, and an Irish girl), and started teasing them both on that, occasionally positioning himself with something like ''At least Italians have x good quality, whereas the Irish don't even have that'' to put him on one side or another, then changing back right after.

Good shit. The only thing is, you obviously have to engage both of them in conversation for a good while, and be leading it.

Ok - but at some point, a decision has to be made, or your fantastic opener is worthless, and you just became a free entertainer to extremely bored girls.

So, eventually, either you will lead to a 3'some (Argie girls are open to this more than any other Latin race I know), or isolation and time-bridge. Now, the issue I have seen with 2 girl isolation, is that when you do finally reach a point of nailing down the one that seems to click with you the most, her other friend WILL cock-block you 90% of the time - so, be direct and clear as to whom you want to be with, and be willing to put her cock-blocking friend in her place immediately in a subtle, but firm way (not rude) as to tell your target she is scaring off the fun she could be having when she is not around.

[Dash Global]

we need someone to post some data on the best ways/techniques/places/demographics to get a threesome.