[ctzhykc]

To begin with, I am a newbie and an Asian! this summer I went to Sweden and Denmark for a really short period (totally 11 days) and I got 1 bang only (a hot Swedish brunette) my conclusion: (1) Girls in Copenhagen are hotter than those in Gothenburg and Stockholm (2) In my opinion Danish girls can be quite nice and friendly if you're introduced to them by their friends even if they appear cold and masculine when you're still a stranger to them (3) Daygame doesn't really work for me in Copenhagen and Gothenburg (4) Danish girls are better than Swedish ones, for both looks and personality
Also, the expense in Scandinavia is so high. So for next trip I probably will go to the Netherlands and Nothern Germany. Some fellow travelers I met during the trip told me girls in some parts of Netherlands and nothern Germany can look exactly the same as Scandinavian girls (natural blondes with blue eyes) and the price level there is relatively lower!
Now I am considering 4 cities for blonde girls: Rotterdam, Groningen, Hamburg, and Kiel. Any dutch or German can confirm this and provide some info? I wonder if the girls in Groningen and Kiel are approachable during daytime (I will not want to go there if they act like Danish and Swedish bitches on shopping streets)!
other importants questions:
(1) Rotterdam and Hamburg seem to be diverse. Are there a high concentration of blonde girls there?
(2) I heard Dutch girls are kinda racist. So will those Dutch girls in Rotterdam and Groningen be racist to me because I am an East Asian? (height might not be a big problem for me since I'm 182cm)
By the way, I would appreciate if someone can provide the comparison between Dutch girls/German girls/ Scandinavian girls

[Vato Maranzano]

(09-03-2013 10:32 PM)ctzhykc Wrote:  

To begin with, I am a newbie and an Asian! this summer I went to Sweden and Denmark for a really short period (totally 11 days) and I got 1 bang only (a hot Swedish brunette) my conclusion: (1) Girls in Copenhagen are hotter than those in Gothenburg and Stockholm (2) In my opinion Danish girls can be quite nice and friendly if you're introduced to them by their friends even if they appear cold and masculine when you're still a stranger to them (3) Daygame doesn't really work for me in Copenhagen and Gothenburg (4) Danish girls are better than Swedish ones, for both looks and personality
Also, the expense in Scandinavia is so high. So for next trip I probably will go to the Netherlands and Nothern Germany. Some fellow travelers I met during the trip told me girls in some parts of Netherlands and nothern Germany can look exactly the same as Scandinavian girls (natural blondes with blue eyes) and the price level there is relatively lower!
Now I am considering 4 cities for blonde girls: Rotterdam, Groningen, Hamburg, and Kiel. Any dutch or German can confirm this and provide some info? I wonder if the girls in Groningen and Kiel are approachable during daytime (I will not want to go there if they act like Danish and Swedish bitches on shopping streets)!
other importants questions:
(1) Rotterdam and Hamburg seem to be diverse. Are there a high concentration of blonde girls there?
(2) I heard Dutch girls are kinda racist. So will those Dutch girls in Rotterdam and Groningen be racist to me because I am an East Asian? (height might not be a big problem for me since I'm 182cm)
By the way, I would appreciate if someone can provide the comparison between Dutch girls/German girls/ Scandinavian girls

If u want to find natural blondes in The Netherlands i wouldnt recommend Rotterdam. Check this quote from their official website

"One of the world's most multicultural cities, Rotterdam is home to about 611.000 people who represent a staggering 174 different nationalities"

So if u want to find a typical Dutch girl Groningen would be alot better.
I think u could do very well here. There are alot of universities aswell which means alot of girls from all over the country go there to study.

I was suprised to find alot of stories about Dutch people being racist.
If i take a look at my social circle and people i have known in the past , i come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. Alot of the hot girls have turkish boyfriends, and i also know alot of black people doing very well. That's probably because they seem to be alot more aggressive when it comes to approaching women.

The reason for all the racist stories you will find on the net in my opinion ,is because the women here are very straight-forward. If she thinks you are ugly she will tell you exactly that, no bullshit. Same story when it comes to race. As i have mentioned before , im certain that The Netherlands is the beta-male capital of the world. Women will get away with everything they say.

Personally, day-game is the way to go.
Unless u have very solid eye-contact the best thing to do is to go for an indirect approach. They dont really know how to handle direct approaches in my experience.
Im not saying nightlife is hard, but lets just say conditions are not optimal most of the time.
We have a popular dutch saying that goes "Samen uit, Samen thuis" which means something like " Go out together, go home together"
Number closing shouldn't be a problem though.

If u have a few weeks time i dont think its gonna be hard to find yourself a blond dutch girl, doesnt matter if your black asian or whatever . But when it comes to personality , its gonna be hard to enjoy conversations. This is also part of the dutch culture, people always talk about how great their job is and how important they are , especially women. In other words , dont come here to find yourself a girlfriend. If u want to find friendly and feminine girls , find another country to visit. But if you just want to bang a few blond girls you should be alright.

[Traveler86]

In my experience girls in netherlands , and also applies to Northern germany are a lot like Denmark, and It goes not only based on looks (which is the case) but personality wise too. So visiting those countries would be like a waste of time, because there isnt anything closer to denmark than the Netherlands imo, same mentality and very similar looks, Northern germany as supposed is very similar to scandinavia too.


If you want to find blonde women who looks nordic and not expend ridiculous amount of money in expensive european countries such as scandinavia/holland/germany/finland I'd rather head to Estonia, Latvia (I really recommend it) or even Northern russia. Plus in those areas you might have a exotic factor which doesnt exist in western european countries due to heavy scale of immigration. Also you get better female ratios and you could stay 2 weeks there for the same money of what you would spend in 2-3 days in a western european country that have many blonde girls (usually the most expensive countries in western europe are the ones with more blondes).

Anyways I've never understood the unhealthy obsession of asian guys (specially koreans, japanese, taiwanese) with white blonde girls, It seems almost creepy, probably result of some inferiority complex.

[ctzhykc]

I see; actually I chose Rotterdam only because it is a big city and therefore I asume girls there will be more open and easier; however I am not sure if this is true in the Netherlands.(It's true in my country)
haha actually I know a beautiful 19yo Dutch girl from Groningen (she added me on fb, chatted to me a bit, and asked me to meet her during my trip but she said she will bring her best girl friend with her; I couldn't figure out what she had in her mind and that's one of the reasons why I found an excuse and refused her. we still chat a bit now and then) I am sure I will visit Groningen next trip!
Since I would like to visit 2 Dutch cities next summer I am thinking about what city is better for me besides Groningen. I am considering the Hague and Utrect. However wiki says the Hague has only about 50% of its population as ethnic Dutch, which is in the same condition as Rotterdam I guess. So I am thinking about going to Utrect seriously! however I will be there probably in summer, will most college students go back to their home or traveling?
Thanks for your explanation! now I see why. And you're right about Turkish guys... I saw 2 of them approaching tons of chicks in Sweden. Also it's nice to know they can be really straightforward before opening them up
they cannot handle direct approach? now I feel they are more and more like Danish girls. Anyway I don't like to use direct approach either... it's extremely rare here.
that saying sounds interesting! well, does that mean if a Dutch girl goes out with you, you have really high chance of taking her home and banging her? something like sex on the first date?
They like to talk about how important they are? this sounds like what many guys do here
Anyway, thanks for your info!

(09-04-2013 02:06 AM)Vato Maranzano Wrote:  

If u want to find natural blondes in The Netherlands i wouldnt recommend Rotterdam. Check this quote from their official website

"One of the world's most multicultural cities, Rotterdam is home to about 611.000 people who represent a staggering 174 different nationalities"

So if u want to find a typical Dutch girl Groningen would be alot better.
I think u could do very well here. There are alot of universities aswell which means alot of girls from all over the country go there to study.

I was suprised to find alot of stories about Dutch people being racist.
If i take a look at my social circle and people i have known in the past , i come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. Alot of the hot girls have turkish boyfriends, and i also know alot of black people doing very well. That's probably because they seem to be alot more aggressive when it comes to approaching women.

The reason for all the racist stories you will find on the net in my opinion ,is because the women here are very straight-forward. If she thinks you are ugly she will tell you exactly that, no bullshit. Same story when it comes to race. As i have mentioned before , im certain that The Netherlands is the beta-male capital of the world. Women will get away with everything they say.

Personally, day-game is the way to go.
Unless u have very solid eye-contact the best thing to do is to go for an indirect approach. They dont really know how to handle direct approaches in my experience.
Im not saying nightlife is hard, but lets just say conditions are not optimal most of the time.
We have a popular dutch saying that goes "Samen uit, Samen thuis" which means something like " Go out together, go home together"
Number closing shouldn't be a problem though.

If u have a few weeks time i dont think its gonna be hard to find yourself a blond dutch girl, doesnt matter if your black asian or whatever . But when it comes to personality , its gonna be hard to enjoy conversations. This is also part of the dutch culture, people always talk about how great their job is and how important they are , especially women. In other words , dont come here to find yourself a girlfriend. If u want to find friendly and feminine girls , find another country to visit. But if you just want to bang a few blond girls you should be alright.

[Vato Maranzano]

Utrecht and Groningen would be a good choice.
Im not sure about The Hague, we have a forum member who lives there maybe he can share his opinion. I live in Haarlem which is pretty similair to Groningen when it comes to size.

Girls here are pretty easy but social circle plays a bigger role here if u want to get laid all the time. So if you only have a limited amount of time it can be hard to pull off. I've had my fair share of ONS's though. Looks also play a big role here because u will have alot of competition from decent looking guys, its not like Ukraine for example. Advantage is that its easy to set yourself apart from the rest if u dress well and simply approach alot.

Direct approaches never really work for me(unless you have very solid eye contact/smiling) , it might be different in bigger cities. You will definitely come across alot of arrogant girls but i dont think this is anything out of the ordinary.

Amsterdam has the most universities (3).
Groningen and Utrecht also have alot of students from all over the country so that shouldn't be a problem.

[sheesh]

I have lived in Kiel for over a decade.

My advice: don't come to Kiel. Kiel is a university town with roughly 10 % of the population being students. Students come from all parts of Germany though and even among the local younger generation the number of people with the blonde nordic features you desire is considerably lower than in Scandinavia. The difference is quite noticeable when crossing the German/Danish border.

In terms of culture and mentality, my impression is that hooking up in Germany is harder than in Scandinavia. While Scandinavians may appear colder and even more stiff than Germans on the outside, when it comes to ONS, they are more open while Germans are much more controlled and inhibited.


If you want to visit Northern Germany, Hamburg is the only place with a half decent night life. Daygame is not impossible but be prepared to receive confused looks as German girls rarely ever get approached outside of their social circle.

[sheesh]

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[ctzhykc]

I would choose Utrecht then!
Did you have ONS by daygame? And I wonder how you open the girls on streets as a fellow Dutch guy. Anyway I have a hunch that the Netherlands is better than Sweden; it's weird that not so many members pay their attention to it!

(09-04-2013 10:31 AM)Vato Maranzano Wrote:  

Utrecht and Groningen would be a good choice.
Im not sure about The Hague, we have a forum member who lives there maybe he can share his opinion. I live in Haarlem which is pretty similair to Groningen when it comes to size.

Girls here are pretty easy but social circle plays a bigger role here if u want to get laid all the time. So if you only have a limited amount of time it can be hard to pull off. I've had my fair share of ONS's though. Looks also play a big role here because u will have alot of competition from decent looking guys, its not like Ukraine for example. Advantage is that its easy to set yourself apart from the rest if u dress well and simply approach alot.

Direct approaches never really work for me(unless you have very solid eye contact/smiling) , it might be different in bigger cities. You will definitely come across alot of arrogant girls but i dont think this is anything out of the ordinary.

Amsterdam has the most universities (3).
Groningen and Utrecht also have alot of students from all over the country so that shouldn't be a problem.

[ctzhykc]

That's quite a long time! I will follow your advice haha!
I will definitely pay Hamburg a visit! I have had 3 Germans I met during my trip tell me Hamburg is known for its parties!
I also met 2 German girls... and so far my impression of them is that they're always 100% serious!! they like to talk about their boring experience and ignore my words when talking to me; I did not enjoy the conversation but it seems that they did, which is freaking weird
by the way, what do you think about Flensburg? I am sure there are Danish people there, but probably it's just like a boring small town where village girls live

(09-04-2013 03:42 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

I have lived in Kiel for over a decade.

My advice: don't come to Kiel. Kiel is a university town with roughly 10 % of the population being students. Students come from all parts of Germany though and even among the local younger generation the number of people with the blonde nordic features you desire is considerably lower than in Scandinavia. The difference is quite noticeable when crossing the German/Danish border.

In terms of culture and mentality, my impression is that hooking up in Germany is harder than in Scandinavia. While Scandinavians may appear colder and even more stiff than Germans on the outside, when it comes to ONS, they are more open while Germans are much more controlled and inhibited.


If you want to visit Northern Germany, Hamburg is the only place with a half decent night life. Daygame is not impossible but be prepared to receive confused looks as German girls rarely ever get approached outside of their social circle.

[Vato Maranzano]

(09-05-2013 09:55 AM)ctzhykc Wrote:  

I would choose Utrecht then!
Did you have ONS by daygame? And I wonder how you open the girls on streets as a fellow Dutch guy. Anyway I have a hunch that the Netherlands is better than Sweden; it's weird that not so many members pay their attention to it!

(09-04-2013 10:31 AM)Vato Maranzano Wrote:  

Utrecht and Groningen would be a good choice.
Im not sure about The Hague, we have a forum member who lives there maybe he can share his opinion. I live in Haarlem which is pretty similair to Groningen when it comes to size.

Girls here are pretty easy but social circle plays a bigger role here if u want to get laid all the time. So if you only have a limited amount of time it can be hard to pull off. I've had my fair share of ONS's though. Looks also play a big role here because u will have alot of competition from decent looking guys, its not like Ukraine for example. Advantage is that its easy to set yourself apart from the rest if u dress well and simply approach alot.

Direct approaches never really work for me(unless you have very solid eye contact/smiling) , it might be different in bigger cities. You will definitely come across alot of arrogant girls but i dont think this is anything out of the ordinary.

Amsterdam has the most universities (3).
Groningen and Utrecht also have alot of students from all over the country so that shouldn't be a problem.

Sheesh is right, even though he is in germany.
Situation is the same here, u will get a lot of confused looks when you open a girl on the street. Especially in smaller cities like Groningen. That's the reason they don't really know how to handle direct approaches and it can scare them away.

For you its probably best to play the confused tourist. Tell them your new in town and ask them if they know any decent venue's, then escalate from there and get personal. Once she's comfortable and interested she will start asking questions. If not , next her because she's only doing you a favor. They are not as cold as most Eastern Europeans, so it's easier to tell if she's interested. You've already shown your an alpha male by approaching her. Go easy on the negs and don't go for asshole game because of the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Daygame ONS are very rare and I don't think that's gonna happen unless u get lucky and your logistics are good. There are a lot of student party's in Groningen, if u want to improve your chances of getting an ONS try to build a social circle so you will get invited. But i don't know how long your staying there.

[ctzhykc]

I see; and actually that's why my original plan is Rotterdam and Groningen - a big city and a small city. From my experience, girls in big cities are more used to getting approached, and can handle it better, though that does not mean they are easier(i.e I can get their numbers more easily, but not the bang) Now I am considering about Rotterdam again, because roughly half of its population still consists of Dutch people despite the high diversity, and girls there may be more used to being approached (I can imagine many turks, arabs... approaching them)
that's exactly my plan for daygame... actually that is what I most usually do. I would like to try a line like this '' hey I would like to say hi to you because I think you're cute... what's your name?...'' someday, but not in the Netherlands I think
Now I know only 1 girl from Groningen. I will try to talk to her friends before I get there. Anyway, at least I will have someone to hang out with! As for my stay, it would be around 2~4 weeks; it really depends on my schedule. And I think if I stay there for too long, everyone in the city would probably know me since it's small!
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Sheesh is right, even though he is in germany.
Situation is the same here, u will get a lot of confused looks when you open a girl on the street. Especially in smaller cities like Groningen. That's the reason they don't really know how to handle direct approaches and it can scare them away.

For you its probably best to play the confused tourist. Tell them your new in town and ask them if they know any decent venue's, then escalate from there and get personal. Once she's comfortable and interested she will start asking questions. If not , next her because she's only doing you a favor. They are not as cold as most Eastern Europeans, so it's easier to tell if she's interested. You've already shown your an alpha male by approaching her. Go easy on the negs and don't go for asshole game because of the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Daygame ONS are very rare and I don't think that's gonna happen unless u get lucky and your logistics are good. There are a lot of student party's in Groningen, if u want to improve your chances of getting an ONS try to build a social circle so you will get invited. But i don't know how long your staying there.
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[Every10GivesMeA10]

The girls are used to direct game in the big cities. Direct street game is mostly run by non white guys.

[ctzhykc]

what are those big cities then? Rotterdam? what about Utrecht? And by non white guys I think you means turk, arabs...etc; I cannot imagine any east asian who likes to use direct game

(09-06-2013 02:16 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

The girls are used to direct game in the big cities. Direct street game is mostly run by non white guys.

[sheesh]

(09-05-2013 10:16 AM)ctzhykc Wrote:  

That's quite a long time! I will follow your advice haha!
I will definitely pay Hamburg a visit! I have had 3 Germans I met during my trip tell me Hamburg is known for its parties!
I also met 2 German girls... and so far my impression of them is that they're always 100% serious!! they like to talk about their boring experience and ignore my words when talking to me; I did not enjoy the conversation but it seems that they did, which is freaking weird
by the way, what do you think about Flensburg? I am sure there are Danish people there, but probably it's just like a boring small town where village girls live

(09-04-2013 03:42 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

I have lived in Kiel for over a decade.

My advice: don't come to Kiel. Kiel is a university town with roughly 10 % of the population being students. Students come from all parts of Germany though and even among the local younger generation the number of people with the blonde nordic features you desire is considerably lower than in Scandinavia. The difference is quite noticeable when crossing the German/Danish border.

In terms of culture and mentality, my impression is that hooking up in Germany is harder than in Scandinavia. While Scandinavians may appear colder and even more stiff than Germans on the outside, when it comes to ONS, they are more open while Germans are much more controlled and inhibited.


If you want to visit Northern Germany, Hamburg is the only place with a half decent night life. Daygame is not impossible but be prepared to receive confused looks as German girls rarely ever get approached outside of their social circle.

Regarding Flensburg - it has a university with a relatively high ratio of female students, but in the end it's a small town and it would be crazy to fly to Germany just to visit Flensburg in order to game girls.

You have to know that many girls fom that area ( including Kiel and basically the whole north ) will want to move to Hamburg once they've finished school.

Anyway, should you be able to bang a young university chick of 7 and above in that area without social circle game tell me how.

Germans are so social circle oriented it hurts.

[ctzhykc]

haha thank you, man!! I would focus on only Hamburg then!
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Regarding Flensburg - it has a university with a relatively high ratio of female students, but in the end it's a small town and it would be crazy to fly to Germany just to visit Flensburg in order to game girls.

You have to know that many girls fom that area ( including Kiel and basically the whole north ) will want to move to Hamburg once they've finished school.

Anyway, should you be able to bang a young university chick of 7 and above in that area without social circle game tell me how.

Germans are so social circle oriented it hurts.
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