[Sonsowey]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28..._hp_ref=tw

These guys are obviously huge hustlers and that's the whole point. Making money hand over fist, however necessary.

Lots of people here get obsessed with the Ayn Rand version of the Capitalist as the creator of true value being rewarded for his hard work, when often he's just a shady hustler grifting off his connections and power.

But keep working hard, maybe one day you too could get a billion dollar bonus from the government!

[Gopher]

(08-29-2013 01:58 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28..._hp_ref=tw

Lots of people here get obsessed with the Ayn Rand version of the Capitalist as the creator of true value being rewarded for his hard work, when often he's just a shady hustler grifting off his connections and power.

The people obsessed with Ayn Rand would be totally against the government subsidies that make this type of corruption possible, and therefore agree with you that it is a disgrace.

[It_is_my_time]

We can work hard and achieve financial freedom. Something people stuck in socialist countries can almost never have.

And this is what happens when you vote for a big central govt that controls the market. They steal from the middle class and give to the rich.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

100% of richest US politicians are paid by money stolen from US taxpayers.

[Parlay44]

(08-29-2013 02:11 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

We can work hard and achieve financial freedom. Something people stuck in socialist countries can almost never have.

And this is what happens when you vote for a big central govt that controls the market. They steal from the middle class and give to the rich.

Not everyone in a socialist country wants to be an entrepreneurial millionaire.
There's a lot of burden and responsibility associated with that.

Some people are happy having a safe basic family lifestyle.

You should check out the movie Sicko if you have a chance.

[Kickb]

One of the biggest subsidies for the wealthy is investing in domestic oil drilling projects. 100% tax deductible investment from the moment you write the check.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-30-2013 07:19 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:11 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

We can work hard and achieve financial freedom. Something people stuck in socialist countries can almost never have.

And this is what happens when you vote for a big central govt that controls the market. They steal from the middle class and give to the rich.

Not everyone in a socialist country wants to be an entrepreneurial millionaire.
There's a lot of burden and responsibility associated with that.

Some people are happy having a safe basic family lifestyle.

You should check out the movie Sicko if you have a chance.

Michael Moore's propaganda is trash.

Does he mention how countries like the UK and France are drowning in debt and are collapsing upon themselves? And to make matters worse they will be Islam controlled because their socialist system allows women to whore around and steal from tax payers and not be responsible women?

Does he mention how the only true defense for most of Europe is being the USA's ally and now that we are going bankrupt with the same failed socialist anti-male policies they will be sitting fat and pretty for Islam to run over without having to out birth them.

Does he mention how people in many communist countries would rather risk prison time or death just for a chance at a life in the USA rather than live in a failed system?

Does he mention how the leaders of those countries travel else where for medical assistance because their socialist healthcare is worthless? Just like all the politicians and their friends can opt out of Obamacare.

Socialism will never work. It is a system that destroys men and rewards women for behaving like drunk whores at port.

[iknowexactly]

The government is just the propaganda arm of biz. Mussolini said it: Fascism is the union of Govt and Biz.

There is no difference. Revolving door, lobbyists write the bills. The govt works for them not you. The govt is just the face of biz, putting into place the classic bargaining tactic of limited authority. "Oh shucks, it's a free market, you can make it if you try!!"

[It_is_my_time]

(08-31-2013 04:03 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The government is just the propaganda arm of biz. Mussolini said it: Fascism is the union of Govt and Biz.

There is no difference. Revolving door, lobbyists write the bills. The govt works for them not you. The govt is just the face of biz, putting into place the classic bargaining tactic of limited authority. "Oh shucks, it's a free market, you can make it if you try!!"

You certainly can make it if you try in the USA. At least for now, maybe not much longer with the Democrats taking over.

I have done damn well for myself. At 35 I could retire now if I wanted and take it easy. But I want to achieve more than just getting by and taking it easy.

Still feels damn good though to know that I am working to further myself, not just to pay the bills.

[iknowexactly]

(08-31-2013 04:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 04:03 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The government is just the propaganda arm of biz. Mussolini said it: Fascism is the union of Govt and Biz.

There is no difference. Revolving door, lobbyists write the bills. The govt works for them not you. The govt is just the face of biz, putting into place the classic bargaining tactic of limited authority. "Oh shucks, it's a free market, you can make it if you try!!"

You certainly can make it if you try in the USA. At least for now, maybe not much longer with the Democrats taking over.

I have done damn well for myself. At 35 I could retire now if I wanted and take it easy. But I want to achieve more than just getting by and taking it easy.

Still feels damn good though to know that I am working to further myself, not just to pay the bills.

I'm living here (USA) too, actions speak louder than words.... There's a huge amount of proactive, talented people in the USA.

Better the rich steal from us legally like here than under the table like Ukraine.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-31-2013 04:14 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 04:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 04:03 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The government is just the propaganda arm of biz. Mussolini said it: Fascism is the union of Govt and Biz.

There is no difference. Revolving door, lobbyists write the bills. The govt works for them not you. The govt is just the face of biz, putting into place the classic bargaining tactic of limited authority. "Oh shucks, it's a free market, you can make it if you try!!"

You certainly can make it if you try in the USA. At least for now, maybe not much longer with the Democrats taking over.

I have done damn well for myself. At 35 I could retire now if I wanted and take it easy. But I want to achieve more than just getting by and taking it easy.

Still feels damn good though to know that I am working to further myself, not just to pay the bills.

I'm living here (USA) too, actions speak louder than words.... There's a huge amount of proactive, talented people in the USA.

Better the rich steal from us legally like here than under the table like Ukraine.

At least this way, if you work hard and make yourself rich, you can take advantage of the same laws.

[iknowexactly]

(08-31-2013 04:16 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 04:14 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 04:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 04:03 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The government is just the propaganda arm of biz. Mussolini said it: Fascism is the union of Govt and Biz.

There is no difference. Revolving door, lobbyists write the bills. The govt works for them not you. The govt is just the face of biz, putting into place the classic bargaining tactic of limited authority. "Oh shucks, it's a free market, you can make it if you try!!"

You certainly can make it if you try in the USA. At least for now, maybe not much longer with the Democrats taking over.

I have done damn well for myself. At 35 I could retire now if I wanted and take it easy. But I want to achieve more than just getting by and taking it easy.

Still feels damn good though to know that I am working to further myself, not just to pay the bills.

I'm living here (USA) too, actions speak louder than words.... There's a huge amount of proactive, talented people in the USA.

Better the rich steal from us legally like here than under the table like Ukraine.

At least this way, if you work hard and make yourself rich, you can take advantage of the same laws.

Democrats/Repubs, absolutely the same at this point 97%; their kids all go to the same schools ( Bush and Kerry were Yalies right?) .

There is just the powerful and the losers. Left Right stuff is just to keep everyone distracted.

[Parlay44]

Quote:

Socialism will never work. It is a system that destroys men and rewards women for behaving like drunk whores at port.

I guess capitalism doesn't work either cause that's what we've got going on too

[Damedius]

(08-31-2013 08:14 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote:

Socialism will never work. It is a system that destroys men and rewards women for behaving like drunk whores at port.

I guess capitalism doesn't work either cause that's what we've got going on too

As iknowexactly already mentioned. When corporations take over the government we call it fascism.

Remember both parties gave trillions of dollars to corporations. Although people call Obama a socialist, he oversaw and was responsible for the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. From the taxpayer to private corporations.

Fascism is a grey area. It has been called crony capitalism. It definitely isn't free-market capitalism.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-31-2013 08:14 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote:

Socialism will never work. It is a system that destroys men and rewards women for behaving like drunk whores at port.

I guess capitalism doesn't work either cause that's what we've got going on too

Capitalism took a former tiny collection of colonies and turned it into the most powerful country in the world in a few generations.

Then along came Woodrow Wilson and it has been all down hill since then.

Capitalism works just fine, unless you are lazy.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-31-2013 08:47 AM)Damedius Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 08:14 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote:

Socialism will never work. It is a system that destroys men and rewards women for behaving like drunk whores at port.

I guess capitalism doesn't work either cause that's what we've got going on too

As iknowexactly already mentioned. When corporations take over the government we call it fascism.

Remember both parties gave trillions of dollars to corporations. Although people call Obama a socialist, he oversaw and was responsible for the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world. From the taxpayer to private corporations.

Fascism is a grey area. It has been called crony capitalism. It definitely isn't free-market capitalism.

Yes. Bush and Obama have taken trillions from the middle class and given it to the wealthy. We don't have capitalism, we have fascism at this point. All these regulations kill small business owners, but when your president gets up there and dances and taunts small business owners, what else can you expect.