[jariel]

A lot of these sportswriters are unfortunately beta fanboys who "look up" to athletes because they can do what they can't -- play a sport at the highest level -- and feel let down when the players are just human beings enjoying the best that life has to offer...it's very much akin to how betas are with women...

In his own words...

Quote:

In a great interview with Ben Golliver at Blazeredge, Quick describes what led him to ask off the beat. To most internet comment sections, the answers won’t surprise you:

Blazersedge: What were the factors that led you to ask off of the Blazers beat over the years?

Jason Quick: "I think it had become stale to me a little bit in a way. I think I just lost faith in a lot of the NBA. I've seen a lot of bull----.

From putting your heart and soul into a player and believing him when he talks about kissing his kids at night and all that, then you write that, and the next road trip you see him with somebody that's not his wife, basically getting it on. That's disheartening to me. There's a lot of times where you hear a bunch of bull---- from these guys, it's hard to believe anything.

"There was a time when I really, really enjoyed this beat. 2008-2009, around the time they had the 13-game winning streak [in 2007] and the year after that, that was by far the most fun I ever had at my job. There was a closeness with the team, a drive I had, a vision. But I think what made that special was a bunch of guys on their rookie contracts. I've seen how money changes players, changes their attitudes, so I think over time it eroded the goodwill that I had, pursuing stories because you want to believe what you're writing, you know? There's just too many instances where I would buy into it and down the road realize it was all bull---."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...52258.html

Professional athletes and other types of entertainers aren't role models, and never should be treated as such. If guys like Quick would just appreciate their talents and the dedication it takes to compete at the level they are paid to do so at, instead of putting them on pedestals as if they were Gods who can do no wrong, their jobs as sportswriters would be a lot easier.

[scorpion]

What a chode. I would refer him to Sir Charles:

[Bolthouse]

I do get what he's saying in a way. If he's a bluepill who is opposed to promiscuity, that's fine.

I equate this to guys who enlist in the military and then a few years in they realize they signed up for bullshit, ala Bradley Manning.

Or a mainstream media writer who started to question all the liberal puff pieces he'd been writing. People are entitled to change their opinions, and not everyone's gonna be an alphamale anyway.

[Excelsior]

[quote='jariel' pid='517853' dateline='1377121065']

[quote]
From putting your heart and soul into a player[/quote]

Why would you even do that?

Players are just flawed human beings like anybody else, and they're often young to boot. They have no relation to you other than the fact that they play a game you happen to enjoy watching. It is ok to follow and admire some of them, even respect them, but you shouldn't be pouring your "heart and soul" into an athlete. It isn't his job to guard those things for you, and you shouldn't be entrusting them to him.

I expect kids to make this kind of mistake, but grown men should be beyond it. Respect the athletes, but expect them to be flawed. They're not role models, they just play games for a living.

[quote]and believing him when he talks about kissing his kids at night and all that, then you write that, and the next road trip you see him with somebody that's not his wife, basically getting it on. That's disheartening to me.[/quote]

Wait, you mean to tell me that famous young men with millions of dollars in disposable income and armies of models chasing after them are, at times, prone to stepping out and getting some one the side?



[quote]There's a lot of times where you hear a bunch of bull---- from these guys, it's hard to believe anything.

I've seen how money changes players, changes their attitudes, so I think over time it eroded the goodwill that I had, pursuing stories because you want to believe what you're writing, you know? There's just too many instances where I would buy into it and down the road realize it was all bull---."[/quote]

In short, he is too immature to deal with flawed human beings. His is a naive world in which he purs his "heart and soul" into a bunch of young men who play a game he likes to watch, and then projects upon them his own standards of morality and expects them all to live up to them. He is shocked when they inevitably fail to do so.

My suggestion to this dude is simple:



Life is not a Disney movie. These are athletes, not saints. Respect them for their physical prowess and exemplary ability to compete in the sports you enjoy watching, and just leave it at that. Stop trying to take all of this beyond the field and turn these guys into screens for your own moral projections and hold them to standards they neither know nor care about.

Trust me, you'll be better for it.

[MikeCF]

Corn balls like him are the ones who are sincerely surprised and outraged when an athlete gets caught doping.

Even now nerds like him are acting like "A-Rod" is the only guy using gear.

But this is a good microcosm for the mainstream media in total.

They are all naive little nerds who don't know shit about the world.

[NYJ]

What a herb.

[Timoteo]

Most writers on the beat know exactly who they're writing about. And unless one of the gets busted doing something really stupid, they leave it alone and write about the games, and fill hours of airtime on ESPN "analyzing" what they see at the games. Sportwriters are the biggest freeloading fucks around - they love digging into the free spreads they're provided with, and love the access they get. ESPN has turned so many of them into household names and put their faces and voices on the air daily. Many of them have made more money than they ever thought they would. Maybe this motherfucker is whining because HE hasn't gotten the call from ESPN. The call isn't coming, so he's on some attention-whoring, moralizing bullshit as an excuse for opting out. I smell....PUSSY.

[kdolo]

seeing all those young uneducated but filthy rich black guys getting all that fine pussy - in particular white pussy - finally got to him.

[Icepasian]

(08-22-2013 08:48 AM)kdolo Wrote:  

seeing all those young uneducated but filthy rich black guys getting all that fine pussy - in particular white pussy - finally got to him.

Outside of that, fame and money tends to go to the heads of most people. I can't say I'd be immune to it either considering I've never had hundreds of women jumping on me wherever I went. I just feel bad for the children when these things occasionally blow up in a family's face.

[Drazen]

I'm a Portland Trailblazers fan and I say "good riddance"! This guy was toxic. He was a total bitch, he would invent stories, make himself the focus of everything. He had a circle of close guys (such as Damon Stoudamire) who leaked him stuff and in exchange, he'd write hit pieces on other players to make "his guys" more prominent and untradeable. If guys scoffed him off, he built vendettas.

[scorpion]

It's got to be pretty emasculating hanging out around, writing about and following the every move of guys who are physically larger and stronger than you, make more money than you, are more famous than you, and who are nailing way better pussy than you.

In fact I'd say it would almost be impossible to do that job without being bitch made or becoming bitch made in the process.

[Giovonny]

Lol!!!

His role models didn't live up to his moral standards.

Go get a job at a church you naive dork.

Don't be surprised to find out that the priests molest little boys.

Welcome to reality idiot.

When we were out playing ball, these were the guys designing the yearbook. (No offense to anyone who was in the yearbook class, it is an easy A and lots of chicks)

[WanderingSoul]

What does players talking about loving and kissing their kids have to do with their wives?

A man can 100% love his children and miss being with them while on the road, and still cheat on his wife.

[DLuzhin]

This calls to mind Nietzsche's concept of herrenmorale -- slave morality. Essentially the ubermensch, the alphas, the best and the brightest of the world, range across the world like lions and make their own rules. These are the pro athletes.

The betas --- slaves -- understand that they can never hope to think, act, succeed, or dominate on the level of alphas, and so instead they withdraw from competing with alphas and fabricate a game -- morality -- the type of game which they automatically win on account of their weakness -- now recast as "goodness." These are the sportswriters. And this is why sportswriters are constantly moralizing, constantly attacking the so-called moral failings of athletes; in casting the athletes as losers in this fabricated game of morality, the sportswriters gift themselves amnesia, build themselves up and temporarily forget -- their own beta state.

[LowerCaseG]

He is probably pissed because he had to look at all these dudes's schlongs in the locker room every day and they were probably 3 times as big as his.

[Blaster]

My guess is that if you pressed him for details, off the record, his answer would look different than the two paragraphs that showed up in the blazersedge interview.

My impression is that his core problem was being fed bullshit by players. The guy cheating on his wife was just the example he came up with on the spot. (Or else the one example blazersedge agreed to air/publish). In that case, it's legitimate to question whether his interpretation is correct or whether he's projecting moral standards that he shouldn't. But it doesn't mean there weren't other issues.

If there was more serious shit going on, for the sake of his career he's probably not going to elaborate too much and risk backlash..

[Blaster]

(08-23-2013 01:20 AM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

This calls to mind Nietzsche's concept of herrenmorale -- slave morality. Essentially the ubermensch, the alphas, the best and the brightest of the world, range across the world like lions and make their own rules. These are the pro athletes.

The betas --- slaves -- understand that they can never hope to think, act, succeed, or dominate on the level of alphas, and so instead they withdraw from competing with alphas and fabricate a game -- morality -- the type of game which they automatically win on account of their weakness -- now recast as "goodness." These are the sportswriters. And this is why sportswriters are constantly moralizing, constantly attacking the so-called moral failings of athletes; in casting the athletes as losers in this fabricated game of morality, the sportswriters gift themselves amnesia, build themselves up and temporarily forget -- their own beta state.

Athletes are basically gladiators, they aren't (generally) making up the rules. They're just playing by a different set laid down by the owners and their own culture.

[Vicious]

Guy might have learned something had he been paying attention. With that kind of access he could even have worked an angle to get a piece himself. Instead he disqualifies himself on moral grounds. Modern brain washing.

[Timoteo]

Most sportswriters get off on antagonizing players, as opposed to doing actual interviews. Players probably feed them bullshit from time to time because all the writer is going to do is twist whatever they say anyway. They'll totally ignore the context, and throw out soundbites and the player ends up on the defensive. Networks pay billions for rights, and in exchange they demanded more and more access, to the point where the players have almost no peace from them. One of the most hilarious scenes was during the playoffs when there was a crowd at LeBron James' locker, watching him read before a game. They weren't interviewing him - just staring at him as he prepared to play. It's as if you're like an animal in the zoo. Next, they'll want to be embedded in athlete's homes, so they can write about how often a dude takes a shit, and exactly what he ate and drank all day. ESPN is like TMZ for guys that like sports. These "journalists" as they call themselves are jokes. Why not enjoy the money, fame and celebrity you're experiencing? The soapbox nonsense this guy is on is embarrassing. ESPN personalities have their own endorsement deals. They've appeared in movies and have been able to build their own personal brands. They're in it for themselves every bit as much as the people they cover.

[TheSlayer]

Good post, Timoteo. Others raise valid points as well. This guy sounds like a completely blue-pill, idealistic, beta-mangina. If I were a reporter, I would try to get as much pussy as I could hanging out with these players, especially the players who were "friends" with me.

[Timoteo]

(08-23-2013 12:34 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

Good post, Timoteo. Others raise valid points as well. This guy sounds like a completely blue-pill, idealistic, beta-mangina. If I were a reporter, I would try to get as much pussy as I could hanging out with these players, especially the players who were "friends" with me.

What's really hilarious is that the idealism would be welcome if he were on the government beat, or something truly important. If what he were writing served a real public good, and exposed something that was a danger to citizens. But he's covering sports. There are so-called flawed individuals in all walks of life, and he's covering guys that make a living playing games. Ridiculous.

[Giovonny]

(08-23-2013 01:20 AM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

This calls to mind Nietzsche's concept of herrenmorale -- slave morality. Essentially the ubermensch, the alphas, the best and the brightest of the world, range across the world like lions and make their own rules. These are the pro athletes.

The betas --- slaves -- understand that they can never hope to think, act, succeed, or dominate on the level of alphas, and so instead they withdraw from competing with alphas and fabricate a game -- morality -- the type of game which they automatically win on account of their weakness -- now recast as "goodness." These are the sportswriters. And this is why sportswriters are constantly moralizing, constantly attacking the so-called moral failings of athletes; in casting the athletes as losers in this fabricated game of morality, the sportswriters gift themselves amnesia, build themselves up and temporarily forget -- their own beta state.

Wow! I have never heard of this "Slave Morality (ubermensch) that Nietzsche wrote of.

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

(08-23-2013 10:54 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  

"journalists"

Whenever Timoteo writes something about basketball, I "like" it before I even read it.

If you had your own sports talk radio show, I would listen.

[TheSlayer]

(08-23-2013 01:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Whenever Timoteo writes something about basketball, I "like" it before I even read it.

If you had your own sports talk radio show, I would listen.

Maybe we should start doing an NBA podcast with Timoteo, you and me. It's about time people who actually understand the game do some analysis. If I remember, you said you seriously thought about having an NBA blog or something like that? I have thought about the same thing as well. Running a blog and doing podcasts. The issue is marketing and getting traffic to drive ad-revenue. Podcast equipment isn't that expensive either.

[Giovonny]

(08-23-2013 01:12 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

Maybe we should start doing an NBA podcast with Timoteo, you and me. It's about time people who actually understand the game do some analysis. If I remember, you said you seriously thought about having an NBA blog or something like that? I have thought about the same thing as well. Running a blog and doing podcasts. The issue is marketing and getting clicks from fans.

I am down to talk basketball anytime with you and Timoteo.

Basketball was my life for 20 years before I got into game. In fact, basketball brought me more pussy then game ever has.

A few years ago, I had to make a decision -- Should I write about basketball or game or both?

I choose game but I am still very much involved with basketball at many levels.

There are a few former NBA coaches who read this forum. 2 of them are my friends. They are mind blowingly knowledgeable about the game. Ironically, they rarely post in the basketball threads because they are so advanced that it bores them to post here.

I am down to talk hoops anytime with you guys.

[DLuzhin]

(08-23-2013 10:54 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Most sportswriters get off on antagonizing players, as opposed to doing actual interviews. Players probably feed them bullshit from time to time because all the writer is going to do is twist whatever they say anyway. They'll totally ignore the context, and throw out soundbites and the player ends up on the defensive. Networks pay billions for rights, and in exchange they demanded more and more access, to the point where the players have almost no peace from them. One of the most hilarious scenes was during the playoffs when there was a crowd at LeBron James' locker, watching him read before a game. They weren't interviewing him - just staring at him as he prepared to play. It's as if you're like an animal in the zoo. Next, they'll want to be embedded in athlete's homes, so they can write about how often a dude takes a shit, and exactly what he ate and drank all day. ESPN is like TMZ for guys that like sports. These "journalists" as they call themselves are jokes. Why not enjoy the money, fame and celebrity you're experiencing? The soapbox nonsense this guy is on is embarrassing. ESPN personalities have their own endorsement deals. They've appeared in movies and have been able to build their own personal brands. They're in it for themselves every bit as much as the people they cover.

This is all true. Additionally there is frequently a ton of resentment in their pieces if you read between the lines --- jealousy, envy. There's a small cult of sportswriters that heaped vitriol upon David Kahn -- former GM of the Timberwolves. They didn't resent him and heap rancor upon his maneuvers and drafting choices as a GM because they were terrible moves -- he was no less idiotic than about half the GM's in the league -- they did so because he was one of them. He used to be a mere sportswriter, who actually had the game and strategy to succeed and make it up the ranks into a position of actual determinative power with an NBA front office, while the rest of his peers still fester in the journalistic bellows writing about prospective trades and inane, insipid shit like Lamar Odom's addiction to candy.