[exe]

(10-02-2010 06:55 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

For the countries I listed the negotiations either happened but failed (Poland), only happened after the fall of the country was obvious and succeed (Belgium, Netherlands), happened after the fall of the country was obvious but did not succeed (Norway) or didn't happen at all (France). Belgium, for example, did not surrender immediately just in case, only when its main defense system was captured and destroyed and it was obvious the allies won't be able to help it. You obviously know about Eben Emael, don't you?

My point is that in none of these countries was the German invasion long & drawn out like in Operation Barbarossa. Eben-Emael fell in a little over 6 hours.

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"Focus on Moscow" happened (and changed) in mid 1941, and Stalingrad happened in late 1942.

From the gate, Hitler and the OberKommando der Wehrmacht disagreed on their target city priorities. This actually delayed Barbarossa initially and at times suspended the operation, which cost the Germans valuable time & strategic opportunities.

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It involved several major operations, most of which happened outside Stalingrad. To call this operation "urban warfare" is a major underestimation - pretty much like limiting the US-Japan war to Pearl Harbor.

The peripheral operations outside the city, including Operation Uranus, were not as significant or relevant to the Battle of Stalingrad as was the urban warfare that the Russians implemented - called Rattenkrieg (the Rat War) by the Germans. If it wasn't for Rattenkrieg, Stalingrad would have fallen, the Germans would have advanced to the east bank of the Volga, and continued on. Operation Uranus would have been moot. Rattenkrieg was so significant to winning the battle for Stalingrad that Chuikov - the Russian commander who implemented it - was awarded The Order of Lenin and The Order of the Red Star. Choosing to ignore the fact that Stalingrad WAS mostly about urban warfare is like saying Operation Iraqi Freedom (and its sub ops) has mostly been conventional/symmetrical warfare.

[iknowexactly]

This has been quite an educational WWII thread.

And I'm wounded, WOUNDED you didn't seem to like my poetic construction of "inexorable Slavic opacity" or similar. I should get the Florid Prose award!! Well, at least you quoted it.

To answer Nemesis's earlier questions about prepping the girl for coming here beforehand-- I did try to do that; and I was bringing her to Minneapolis, which I think is one of the top cities in the US for livability with the exception of if you hate cold weather. We were right downtown amid the glittering, clean skyscrapers, Minneapolis is a extremely educated and progressive city with a fine symphony, opera, ballet and world class university. Also a lot of cool hipster culture, coffee shops, live music. The city area is Democratic governments, the Upper Midwest is the home of farm cooperatives, liberal, and doesn't have the more narrow views of places like Iowa and Oklahoma. Adjacent Wisconsin was actually he first state to outlaw capital punishment in the US. They've made a show of reviving it to placate the yahoos but actually go through with it hardly ever if at all.

So if Minneapolis wasn't good enough for her, there was some other problem. I think she just got homesick, missing her brother (who cried when she left) and her adoring parents. I was a lot older and not a god to her.

I also really tried to pound the lifestyle luxury level home to her-- or LACK of it. Even sent a photo of my small apartment in Minnesota.
I had already for the most part not bought her stuff when I was in Ukraine except some token presents, but I might have fallen down on that, I did buy her a $100 handbag.

I think you should refuse to do ANY of that stuff there, it will help to weed out golddiggers. Just because most Russians are poor, a lot still have a lot of pride about needing/taking handouts. A higher class family I visited there would painfully reciprocate when I bought them something, and I felt like hell because they'd spend a week's salary because I'd bought something for their house that was only a couple hours' salary for me. They did NOT like me spending money on them. They were real high class intellectually, the family of doctors although quite poor.

Exe and nemesis obviously know Russian history better than me, so I'll remain neutral and try to relate this back to the original poster's question- remember this guy is considering a very serious risk in trying to quickly judge a Russian woman's sincerity.

Now one thing I think anyone with eyes and a measuring tape can agree on-- Russian ( or FSU/ former soviet union) women provide the highest ratio of :

(level of hotness +intelligence of FSU girl) / (Looks+Age+Status of American she'll go for)

-- if you are into Caucasian women. If you like Asians, maybe a different story.

As far as the tenacity of Russians, whether for better for worse, I do feel if they are on your side you are in good shape.

As far as capitalism 'beating" the Soviet Union-- Well, who else was even challenging us? They remain for good and bad a formidable people.
The Klingons would like Russians.

I kind of like the language - it's exotic but not hopeless, I have some chance of learning the alphabet and speaking fairly well, unlike Japanese/Chinese; although you'll never really learn the treacherous grammar, the art (music and novels) is deep and romantic, overall it's
really an impressive culture except in the area of economics, which is exactly what gives us Americans a chance to get a good woman there!
I don't ask this rhetorically, I actually don't know, but can any South American country match the creations of Stravinsky, Dostoyevsky, Nijinsky, Baryshnikov? I tell you, I sat in the front row at the Minneapolis Symphony when the Joffrey Ballet did "The Rite of Spring", and it was truly unsurpassed and magnificent. And I don't think even Charles Ives and Aaron Copeland can match that, although we did have John Coltrane and Jimi Hendrix.

Exe mentioned the harshness of the Russian winter as a factor in WWII; and granting that's true one could argue that the Russians have adapted to that, showing certain signs of sturdiness and perseverance.

But the K1 (Fiancee visa) route is inherently uncertain, if you don't have independent financial means it's very hard to spend enough time in FSU to get the know the woman enough. I think they also limit you to one K1 every two years, but that's about how long it takes to find out if the one you've been working on is not going to work.

I'm lucky in a way because I've saved enough money that I can just go and live in the FSU off investments, I'm telling them I'm not coming back to the USA. I might, but I don't want women hanging on because of that. I don't mind giving someone a better lifestyle WHILE SHE'S WITH ME, but I need the flexibility to quickly get another one should she not meet my standards or vice versa.

So if you are hot for a beautiful, smart, white girl, I advocate going after Russian women. I just also advocate covering your bets, that winter is cold if you get caught in it. But-- no guts, no glory.

Or as I think the Brits put it, "Who dares, wins."

[clr]

gotta say my quite intelligent ass got all confused by the WW stuff, but if you dont know history you are doomed to repeat it. I am interested in this last post tho Russians over other eastern baltics? Latvia, Macedonia? Lithuania? or do you group them all in the same basic category. I have found Russian women to be cold and calculating, tho if you can get them to be cold and calculating for you it helps, look at Trump

[exe]

(10-03-2010 11:55 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

This has been quite an educational WWII thread.

And I'm wounded, WOUNDED you didn't seem to like my poetic construction of "inexorable Slavic opacity" or similar. I should get the Florid Prose award!! Well, at least you quoted it.

To answer Nemesis's earlier questions about prepping the girl for coming here beforehand-- I did try to do that; and I was bringing her to Minneapolis, which I think is one of the top cities in the US for livability with the exception of if you hate cold weather. We were right downtown amid the glittering, clean skyscrapers, Minneapolis is a extremely educated and progressive city with a fine symphony, opera, ballet and world class university. Also a lot of cool hipster culture, coffee shops, live music. The city area is Democratic governments, the Upper Midwest is the home of farm cooperatives, liberal, and doesn't have the more narrow views of places like Iowa and Oklahoma. Adjacent Wisconsin was actually he first state to outlaw capital punishment in the US. They've made a show of reviving it to placate the yahoos but actually go through with it hardly ever if at all.

So if Minneapolis wasn't good enough for her, there was some other problem. I think she just got homesick, missing her brother (who cried when she left) and her adoring parents. I was a lot older and not a god to her.

I also really tried to pound the lifestyle luxury level home to her-- or LACK of it. Even sent a photo of my small apartment in Minnesota.
I had already for the most part not bought her stuff when I was in Ukraine except some token presents, but I might have fallen down on that, I did buy her a $100 handbag.

I think you should refuse to do ANY of that stuff there, it will help to weed out golddiggers. Just because most Russians are poor, a lot still have a lot of pride about needing/taking handouts. A higher class family I visited there would painfully reciprocate when I bought them something, and I felt like hell because they'd spend a week's salary because I'd bought something for their house that was only a couple hours' salary for me. They did NOT like me spending money on them. They were real high class intellectually, the family of doctors although quite poor.

Exe and nemesis obviously know Russian history better than me, so I'll remain neutral and try to relate this back to the original poster's question- remember this guy is considering a very serious risk in trying to quickly judge a Russian woman's sincerity.

Now one thing I think anyone with eyes and a measuring tape can agree on-- Russian ( or FSU/ former soviet union) women provide the highest ratio of :

(level of hotness +intelligence of FSU girl) / (Looks+Age+Status of American she'll go for)

-- if you are into Caucasian women. If you like Asians, maybe a different story.

As far as the tenacity of Russians, whether for better for worse, I do feel if they are on your side you are in good shape.

As far as capitalism 'beating" the Soviet Union-- Well, who else was even challenging us? They remain for good and bad a formidable people.
The Klingons would like Russians.

I kind of like the language - it's exotic but not hopeless, I have some chance of learning the alphabet and speaking fairly well, unlike Japanese/Chinese; although you'll never really learn the treacherous grammar, the art (music and novels) is deep and romantic, overall it's
really an impressive culture except in the area of economics, which is exactly what gives us Americans a chance to get a good woman there!
I don't ask this rhetorically, I actually don't know, but can any South American country match the creations of Stravinsky, Dostoyevsky, Nijinsky, Baryshnikov? I tell you, I sat in the front row at the Minneapolis Symphony when the Joffrey Ballet did "The Rite of Spring", and it was truly unsurpassed and magnificent. And I don't think even Charles Ives and Aaron Copeland can match that, although we did have John Coltrane and Jimi Hendrix.

Exe mentioned the harshness of the Russian winter as a factor in WWII; and granting that's true one could argue that the Russians have adapted to that, showing certain signs of sturdiness and perseverance.

But the K1 (Fiancee visa) route is inherently uncertain, if you don't have independent financial means it's very hard to spend enough time in FSU to get the know the woman enough. I think they also limit you to one K1 every two years, but that's about how long it takes to find out if the one you've been working on is not going to work.

I'm lucky in a way because I've saved enough money that I can just go and live in the FSU off investments, I'm telling them I'm not coming back to the USA. I might, but I don't want women hanging on because of that. I don't mind giving someone a better lifestyle WHILE SHE'S WITH ME, but I need the flexibility to quickly get another one should she not meet my standards or vice versa.

So if you are hot for a beautiful, smart, white girl, I advocate going after Russian women. I just also advocate covering your bets, that winter is cold if you get caught in it. But-- no guts, no glory.

Or as I think the Brits put it, "Who dares, wins."

My apologies for hijacking the thread with WWII material, and getting you 'wounded' in the process.

Ok, back to the main topic:

As I recommended in my other post:

1. Do not bring them to the US on a fiance visa (or whatever other means) so you two could settle down into the married life. The soul of this board is travel & WOMEN (plural). If I'm planning to do something long term with them, I would bring them to the US on a tourist visa, show them the good life, and they go back home. Or I'll take the Tica, Peruana, or Brasileira to Buenos Aires or to Europe; I'll take the Russian or EE girl to the Caribbean or Latin America to show them my international lifestyle and to enjoy their company in a romantic place. I'll tell them I can do this twice a year or so but if they get out of line, I'll take this away or just drop them for another. Since I travel and meet girls, there will always be girls getting added to the roster/rotation; this keeps them in line and me in control by having options. As you said, "I don't mind giving someone a better lifestyle WHILE SHE'S WITH ME". You need to do this over time so she internalizes the 'you = good times/feelings' that will help give you more control over her instead of the other way around.

2. Never totally trust women - ever. And not just with Russian women - all women have the capability of being cunning & crafty. You can prep the girl all you want, but you can never fully trust her. And don't give them much control over your affairs either, if at all. If you have to, trust a little, but stick to your guns. As Clint Eastwood said in 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' - 'There are two types of men in this world: those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.' Ok, this may not be the best analogy, but you get what I mean.

[ManAbout]

If you want to settle down with a Russian or Ukrainian woman, why not marry her and take her to Turkey instead? If you can live off your investments, this seems like a better option. The weather is great, it is cheap and there are no problems with getting a long term visa.

Any thoughts on this? I have been contemplating this for a while now.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

"As far as capitalism 'beating" the Soviet Union-- Well, who else was even challenging us? They remain for good and bad a formidable people.
The Klingons would like Russians."



"Exe mentioned the harshness of the Russian winter as a factor in WWII; and granting that's true one could argue that the Russians have adapted to that, showing certain signs of sturdiness and perseverance.

But the K1 (Fiancee visa) route is inherently uncertain, if you don't have independent financial means it's very hard to spend enough time in FSU to get the know the woman enough. I think they also limit you to one K1 every two years, but that's about how long it takes to find out if the one you've been working on is not going to work.

I'm lucky in a way because I've saved enough money that I can just go and live in the FSU off investments, I'm telling them I'm not coming back to the USA. I might, but I don't want women hanging on because of that. I don't mind giving someone a better lifestyle WHILE SHE'S WITH ME, but I need the flexibility to quickly get another one should she not meet my standards or vice versa.

So if you are hot for a beautiful, smart, white girl, I advocate going after Russian women. I just also advocate covering your bets, that winter is cold if you get caught in it. But-- no guts, no glory.

Or as I think the Brits put it, "Who dares, wins."
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Well, the Klingons were bad ass, but Star Fleet (USA) always ended up kicking their ass in the end. Let's not pretend we don't knbow who really won WWII!
I appreciate the tips on possible marriage of a Russian woman. Damn, they are hot, judging from photos on the internet and TV. I want a Bond Girl quality!! Are their areas in Eastern Europe, with the same hot look who are a little nicer and more into being affectionate than Russian women?

[playa_with_a_passport]

Very interesting WWII lessons. Exe is absolutely right, when it comes to women both from Western countries and from abroad always live by the motto, "expect the best, but be ready for the worse." to answer URM question, I don't think it is Mackish to import pussy into the United States. Bringing foreign women into the US should be strictly reserved for real true to the Game Alpha's. Also, paying flights and Visas just to bang a hot girl is a form of tricking. Bad tricking at that, because foreign brides do not even have to fuck you for two years anymore. All she has to do is have her real man slap her around, call 911 and say you did it(that happened to two of my boys with Russian chicks). As long as she has visible marks when the cops show up, you WILL be arrested. She can then self petition for a Green Card for herself under a battered wife provision. Furthermore, I have a lot of Latinos friends and they are all into the whole going back "home" to get a "good wife" thing. What ends up happening is the wife comes to NY home sick and bored out of her mind and she ends up fucking the modern day equivalent of the "Milk man." The UPS guy or the Bodeguero(a deli worker) who has 8 hours a day, 5 days a week while you are at work to run "Python Game" on your wife. I am a strong believer that ANY married women can be got if she is bored and some dude with even mediocre Game has unlimited time to Game her. And this shit happens to guys who were born and raised in the countries where they are bringing these women from.I can only imagine what happens to guys who are importing women from Asia or Eastern Europe and they have no fucking clue about the culture of the wife.

[zanetti]

loving this!

a forum about picking up girls and we're debating WW2 lol

my 2 cents why germans lost stalingrad:

-supply lines were overstretched
-germans were fighting on too many fronts
-in the course of WW2 russians managed to develop weapons, esp tanks, that were superior to those of germany
-german ideology blinded them to reality
-reliance on romanian divisions to hold back the russians in southern russia
-Stalin's secret army group
-russia's numerical superiority; even when germans were withdrawing and russians were advancing westwards, still way more russians were dying than germans; other countries would not be able/would refuse to sustain this

[iknowexactly]

(10-11-2010 06:01 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Very interesting WWII lessons. Exe is absolutely right, when it comes to women both from Western countries and from abroad always live by the motto, "expect the best, but be ready for the worse." ...foreign brides do not even have to fuck you for two years anymore. All she has to do is have her real man slap her around, call 911 and say you did it(that happened to two of my boys with Russian chicks).

Whoa, this is REAL serious stuff. I though the "battered wife" ploy was legally real but not actually being employed much.

It's a SCREAMING red flag-- can you elaborate more on the stories, did the guys get convictions, did they get on the hook for supporting the woman? Where were they from? These were two personal friends of yours? More info please. I'm not bringing anyone here until I'm 80 haha.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(10-12-2010 05:04 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-11-2010 06:01 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Very interesting WWII lessons. Exe is absolutely right, when it comes to women both from Western countries and from abroad always live by the motto, "expect the best, but be ready for the worse." ...foreign brides do not even have to fuck you for two years anymore. All she has to do is have her real man slap her around, call 911 and say you did it(that happened to two of my boys with Russian chicks).

Whoa, this is REAL serious stuff. I though the "battered wife" ploy was legally real but not actually being employed much.

It's a SCREAMING red flag-- can you elaborate more on the stories, did the guys get convictions, did they get on the hook for supporting the woman? Where were they from? These were two personal friends of yours? More info please. I'm not bringing anyone here until I'm 80 haha.

The two guys were Black in their mid twenties, they were more acquaintances than beer buddies of mines. They met the Russian girls in Kingsborough community college(large Russian neighborhood near by) and the girls were both International Students. I have seen the picture of one of then and she looked very average. The first guy told me that the Russian girl gave him an offer he couldn't resist. She told him she liked him alot but that her Visa was going to expired soon so she couldn't afford to do the whole "courtship" thing so she offered him $20,000 and mind blowing sex for two years(I have been offered the same deal but with way less money by Latin women). The second one actually got married because he loved the bitch. They were both eventually arrested for Assault 3(minor injury) after the girls alleged that they hit them. The girls then got a order of protection and marched to US Immigration Services with Police Report, Order of Protection and ER discharged papers. The rest as they say is history. If you go on Google and search "Violence Against Women Act" and "scam" or "fraud." You'll find that this is a fairy common type of immigration scam. You will even find FAQ's about how to pull this off.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(10-11-2010 06:01 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Very interesting WWII lessons. Exe is absolutely right, when it comes to women both from Western countries and from abroad always live by the motto, "expect the best, but be ready for the worse." to answer URM question, I don't think it is Mackish to import pussy into the United States. Bringing foreign women into the US should be strictly reserved for real true to the Game Alpha's. Also, paying flights and Visas just to bang a hot girl is a form of tricking. Bad tricking at that, because foreign brides do not even have to fuck you for two years anymore. All she has to do is have her real man slap her around, call 911 and say you did it(that happened to two of my boys with Russian chicks). As long as she has visible marks when the cops show up, you WILL be arrested. She can then self petition for a Green Card for herself under a battered wife provision. Furthermore, I have a lot of Latinos friends and they are all into the whole going back "home" to get a "good wife" thing. What ends up happening is the wife comes to NY home sick and bored out of her mind and she ends up fucking the modern day equivalent of the "Milk man." The UPS guy or the Bodeguero(a deli worker) who has 8 hours a day, 5 days a week while you are at work to run "Python Game" on your wife. I am a strong believer that ANY married women can be got if she is bored and some dude with even mediocre Game has unlimited time to Game her. And this shit happens to guys who were born and raised in the countries where they are bringing these women from.I can only imagine what happens to guys who are importing women from Asia or Eastern Europe and they have no fucking clue about the culture of the wife.

I don't quite understand why you would say bringing a woman from a foreign is very poor game, but yet say that its something only advanced players should do. If it's a bad idea then it's a bad idea, right? Honestly, especially after getting a few doses of Tariq's knowledge, I honestly don't feel bringing back a woman from another country is a good idea at all, unless its a country where their standard of living is similar to ours and she just happens to fall in love with you. I can see going to third world countries to enjoy a week or two of easy, endless dime attention, but not really to marry someone, unless you just get lucky to pull one of the wealthier women in that area. I would think for a real relationship possibility, I'd look more forward to visiting an industralized nation whose women don't necessarily need an American for anything, but who might have a fetish for American or Black men (Fill in the nationality). I'd rather go someplace where the girls like me because they view me as exotic, rather than a meal ticket.

[playa_with_a_passport]

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I don't quite understand why you would say bringing a woman from a foreign is very poor game, but yet say that its something only advanced players should do. If it's a bad idea then it's a bad idea, right?

I don't find this idea confusing at all. Two statements can be contradictory and true at the same time. Another good example where this dynamic can be observed are guys who get into serious relationships or marry prostitutes or chicks in the sex Game(strippers, Go go girls,Massauses, porn starts, etc) For the average square beta "Madonna/Whore Complex " dude getting involved with those type of women is a bad idea. However, but for guys who have some pimping in them and know how to deal with these type females it might make perfect sense to marry a money making hoe. Either way, there are more than a few things in life that should only be done by guys who know what they are doing. An advance playa would know that really wealthy girls overseas have actually very little interest in getting a Green Card and moving to the US. So the whole debate wether to bring her to the States or not would be moot.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

playa_with_a_passport [quote]
" An advance playa would know that really wealthy girls overseas have actually very little interest in getting a Green Card and moving to the US. So the whole debate wether to bring her to the States or not would be moot."

I wasn't suggesting that the Paris Hiltons' of a particular country would be interested in coming to the States. I'm just talking about a woman who might find some interest to better herself in the US but doesn't have it bad where shes currently at. I would consider these girls to probably be the more well to do women in a normally third world country. I think that the same dynamics of a woman falling in love with you are alive and well everyplace on the Earth. So, however unlikely, there is a chance that a woman could truly like your style, look and swagger and simply fall for you. I won't rule out that possibility for any decent, 5 or higher man, regardless of the country. As far as dating women who are prone to gold dig, I don't recommend ANY guy wifing those women up, unless he's truly trying to do sime pimp shit. Now lets be real, is absolutely anyone on the board trying to be a real bonafide PIMP?? I rather doubt it. Going to those countries and having fun with all the dimes thre, getting some of your fantasies out of the way getting a confidence booster, etc. is great. Trying to marry a girl from there, whom you haven't had numerous months or even years to ascertain if she truly loves you might be a mistake, at least judging from the experience of most of the guys on this board who know a lot about the subject. I still think places like Denmark, Sweden, Australia, Japan, Norway, Iceland, etc., whose woman don't necessarily need you but might just love the fact that you're exotic would be a good place to find an international wife, if you really just have a thing against American women. Of course your ability to get a 10 falls, since you won't have the 'rich American' thing working in your behalf. Still, you might have the exotic factor working for you.

[InternationPlayboy]

If you are from the United States, yes it is a good idea to marry a foreign girl, if you ever decide to get married at all.

[clr]

I have personally found it is MUCH MUCH better dating the middle class then the lower class in other countries. You get used (well they try) and seen as a meal ticket with the lower class women in a country, but some pussies like it because they flash a 50 dollar bill and girls think they are rich and chase.

Generally what I have seen, even in the more difficult countries to get visas, the middle and upper middle class families already have visas and go to the USA on occasion. Plus they are more of a challenge and generally more intelligent, I am sooooo done with stupid but hot low class girls.

[InternationPlayboy]

(10-12-2010 09:00 PM)clr Wrote:  

I have personally found it is MUCH MUCH better dating the middle class then the lower class in other countries. You get used (well they try) and seen as a meal ticket with the lower class women in a country, but some pussies like it because they flash a 50 dollar bill and girls think they are rich and chase.

Generally what I have seen, even in the more difficult countries to get visas, the middle and upper middle class families already have visas and go to the USA on occasion. Plus they are more of a challenge and generally more intelligent, I am sooooo done with stupid but hot low class girls.

I've never really dated a poor foreign girl, definitely a couple of middle class girls. The one thing I liked about middle class girls in Brazil/Arg. over American girls is that they basically insist you don't pay for them. My Brazilian girl didn't have a job when I met her and no source of money. When we started dating I would occasionally grab her card at clubs (Basically offer to pick up her tab). She would say, "You don't have to." I would say, "I know I don't, but I'd like to pay for you tonight." When girls don't expect it or don't ever ask for it, that's when I want to pay for them on occasion, as long as they are treating me the way I feel they should and obviously I've already banged her a couple times and we have something going. She never once asked me to pay for her for anything, and she made dick for money. She also paid for me on occasion as well. And when we rented a hotel, she didn't have enough money, I told her I would spot her but needed the money back (It was close to US$200) she didn't make a big deal about it or make me feel like a cheap ass, and she paid me the money back the following week. Damn, I wish I could find that quality of a girl here in the US. I miss that girl sometimes.

[iknowexactly]

I agree from my experience in Russia with the middle class or better deal. The one of three women I was with there was more working class ( father was a tradesman rather than doctor/engineer). The girl's mother borrowed money for cigarettes and never paid me back. No one in the other, full-on professional families even smoked. It absolutely is a small thing, but it shows what's inside and what will happen when they're stressed and want to mooch money.

Actually, one family was upper class in my book. All doctors. But the way the economy's changed, they still had no money.

Women are a little different, when you think they like you "for you" that's when you're young. When you're older it's a little different, plus they have biological programming such that they're not living for themselves, it's not like our experience in life-- you're nuts over a girl, she's the biggest thing in the world. For a lot of family oriented chicks ( and EE chicks almost always want kids) HER POTENTIAL KIDS are the biggest priority; and the hot exciting playa she knows damn well won't be around, well, if she's lower class she'll have his kids anyway. Middle class and up doesn't GET INTO or STAY in the middle class having a playa's kids in the third.second world. They find a guy who sticks around.

That's what gives you the economic, social, and family stability to maneuver in the class structure and stay out of the manual labor class.

[Rocco81]

You are right 'iknow' except there is one part I want to suggest a difference on, and that is the girls still want you for you but that "you" is partly because you're a stable man. I do firmly believe that is part of the attraction you hold with the woman. Of course she might see a "bad boy" who is attractive and exciting, but as you pointed out more often than in our culture in 3rd world places that means he lives at home, probably drinks too much, beats chicks and dies young etc.

After the age of mid 20's (and I do think women mature faster abroad, mentally atleast) they realize that low worth is a no-no regardless of a guys looks or cocky attitude. Women in 3rd world places especially, either directly or through family ties, know how it is to go hungry, have malnourished / sick kids etc and they realize as you posted the importance of a stable setting for their family. Its human nature.

I do think that a stable guy with a decent job and has alphaness to him will be able to maintain a woman in most settings no matter where he is. The problem most men end up with is blaming the woman for everything, when in fact the guy is only a beta provider. He has the job, he has the kind words and the stability, but he lacks any sort of male leadership value that women need and the woman ends up straying away or just cutting him off.

[Rocco81]

iknowexactly: Agreed that across all walks of life you are either somewhat alpha or you get the leftovers. Simple. Good writing btw.

Since I personally feel the term "alpha" is a little over rated and def. over used, let's say "leader". If you are a follower "yes man" to all of your woman's whims, you are fucked from the beginning. If on the other hand you are a leader and show that powerful trait of bieng a strong man ready to walk (more so character than just physicality, but that doesn't hurt) then women from Beverly Hills to Rio to Siberia are going to be drawn more towards you.

Its all a numbers game that I think does change with environment. In the states, if you are wealthy but a total pussy, women might stick around for the money but are more prone to cheat and disrespect you. If you are poor but powerful in personality, you might get allot of ass but many women (esp in the 3rd world) might be less likely to stick around and really care about you. I guess the perfect balance is having the male leadership / king of the home trait, that women desire and atleast a stable and decent paying job to show you are atleast self sufficient and champion of your own house if nothing else.

Of course our whole POV is skewed in the USA, because even a middle class girl here can risk an extended romp on the wild side with a gutter punk who has no job or future, simply because he is a bad boy and treats her like a slut. She knows at the end of the day she can go back to her daddy's house, get a meal, drive her Jetta to Community College. On the flip side, a girl in a lower income area of Rio let's say, is surrounded by "bad boys" or atleast guys that are not shy about wanting to bang her...but she on the other hand might not have a safe place to sleep at night a steady supply of food or family structure to protect her when this bad boy beats the hell out of her or knocks her up and takes off. So...not just looking for excess doe, but just a steady income for an apt, and food is huge in this womans book.

[metalhaze]

the guys I know who married foreigners, they married "fresh of the boat" or 1st generation immigrants. I know a guy who just got engaged to a hot 23y old russian who immigrated to North America a couple of years ago with her family. in other words, go meet them at the airport when they come in ! at least you know she aint getting married to you to get a greencard.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-12-2010 01:08 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  

the guys I know who married foreigners, they married "fresh of the boat" or 1st generation immigrants. I know a guy who just got engaged to a hot 23y old russian who immigrated to North America a couple of years ago with her family. in other words, go meet them at the airport when they come in ! at least you know she aint getting married to you to get a greencard.

Now, I happen to agree with that. SInce we already live in multi-national country, especially those of us that reside near Frisco, New York, LA, etc. As long as you have a decent job and decent looks wouldn't it be possible simply to hook up with or even marry an immigrant that's already here? Yes, I know they'll be exposed to other Americans, but most american guys will be a little intimidated going to the parts of town that these new arrivals will most likely live in, so competition might not be as fierce as some would think.

[iknowexactly]

(11-15-2010 12:57 PM)clr Wrote:  

...if is wasnt the women [the USA] would be much nicer....

Gawd this is just so funny in a sad way... I've got to say they're not all that bad, although whalefactor value distortion and the man-hating legal system poisons the spirit of the playing field.

There's a sort of boomerang effect where so many guys ( including me) are intimidated that some really sweet, pleasant looking girls who don't have any game are sort of innocently bewildered no one pays them attention.

I see them smile and flirt with me and think, "What exactly is she doing? Oh, she's being FRIENDLY. It's an AMERICAN GIRL being FRIENDLY."

After I pick myself up off the floor, I promise to try to reward the next Murkan girl that makes an effort to be nice.

Most cute American women are so stuck up, I don't even recognize when i happens, or know what to do, when one is nice.

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Now about ranking cultures accomplishment, you've got to totally admire to England. Shakespeare and Newton ( Calculus). Period. Now the girls, well...

"..[A]t my birth the front of heaven was full of fiery shapes...
I am not in the roll of common men...
and bring him out that is but woman's son
Can trace me in the tedious ways of art
And hold me pace in deep experiments."

-William Shakespeare
- Henry the IV Part I

Henry IV PArt I

[MiXX]

(11-15-2010 10:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Most cute American women are so stuck up, I don't even recognize when i happens, or know what to do, when one is nice.

Treat her like shit, and pretend you could care less - you'll be banging her by Friday.

Mixx

[iknowexactly]

Treat her like shit, and pretend you could care less - you'll be banging her by Friday.

Mixx
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Yeah, "that's the spirit!", Thanks!
(Rutger Hauer in Blade Runner)

[rudebwoy]

(11-15-2010 12:57 PM)clr Wrote:  

Im sorry but the USA is the promised land for many many things. Actually if is wasnt the women would be much nicer. As I have always said, the countries where women have it the hardest is where they are generally the nicest. The sad this is because we are the greatest country in the world it has turned many of our women into spoiled bitches.

Many countries have their greats, asian medicine, italian art, german engineering, russian music on and on and on.

Side note: My dad used to play Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff as background music in our house when I was younger, you should have seen the face on my real estate agent 10 years ago (I was 23) when I knew who and what score she was playing in her car. She almost crashed.

C,mon dude how is America the promised land. The American Dream is just that a dream. The Neo-cons are draining your country of it's resources. Your money is about to crash and only god knows what will happen then. 25% unemployment and people living in tent cities. I could go on but I will stop there.
Sorry I am happier in Canada.
Have you travelled?