[kerouac]

It's obvious that there are aspects of game that are basically undeniably good for a guy. Most guys become more social (while some regress into cynicism) and become more receptive to cues they might have missed before.

Yet, while I do see some guys taking their game to a level where they start banging hotties on the regular, for the most part I have the feeling that most guys just level off after they start getting a nice round of 7s.

So here's my question to you guys:
Has game helped improve the quality of the chicks you get with, or are you basically going after what you could have gotten with before, but with more ease?

[HonantheBarbarian]

Id say its a bit of both for me.

Girls that I started out banging pre-game (6-7's) have become easier to attract and eventually convert.

However I find myself getting interest from some 7.5's and 8 girls now, but the sell isn't as easy.

Also tying into this, I believe that I am reaching that much talked about "asshole plateau". Asshole game helped me break out of beta mode and bag some of those 6's and 7's. But now that I have a much improved style, haircut, posture and body language, asshole game is affecting them negatively and im just coming off as a jerk. The bad kind.

With the 7.5-8 girls, for the most part they actually eat my asshole game up A LOT. But I lack the level of calibration that I feel is necessary to sustain this type of game with 8's. For example ill tease an 8 and push her buttons really hard and she's loving it all and then ill say or do one particular thing that was just one step too far and lose the interaction completely.

So, in short, yes to both. But this style of game won't work for me any longer.

[jariel]

(02-22-2015 12:43 AM)AfgScarface Wrote:  

Also tying into this, I believe that I am reaching that much talked about "asshole plateau". Asshole game helped me break out of beta mode and bag some of those 6's and 7's. But now that I have a much improved style, haircut, posture and body language, asshole game is affecting them negatively and im just coming off as a jerk. The bad kind.

I'm so glad you brought this up. The reason "asshole game" doesn't work with a higher level of sophistication and presentation is simply because it's incongruent.

It's like a pretty girl with a shitty attitude. If she's pretty and sweet, she can literally have whatever she wants, so what reason does she have to walk around being a bitch for?

That's how people look at you. You look like someone who has something going in his life, so why are you mad?

[Geomann180]

I think assholes in a sense are the closest to manly men women could get for a time, when men en masses were told to get in touch with their feminine sides and to share the pants or let his girlfriend or wife wear them instead of what has worked naturally for most of human history.

I think you need the asshole game start to develop a backbone and not be apologetic about it. The ultimate goal is not to become a good asshole, but to be your own man, beholden to no one but yourself, with standards that you hold yourself and others to. People's feelings are so fragile these days that they'll label you an asshole even if you don't agree with them on topic they thing highly of!

G

[jariel]

As your game develops you'll start to realize that there are times when to use certain elements of game and times when you put certain elements on the back burner.

When you play the game correctly, you can make a woman feel like she's the only one in the world; conversely, you can make her feel like the next time she tries to call you she's going to get a "The number you have reached has been disconnected or is no longer in service" message.

The former makes her love you. The latter makes her fear you.

It's imperative to establish that balance if you want to win in this game.

[Valhalla]

No.

[WestIndianArchie]

Over the years I definitely became more confident with really attractive women. That translated to more sex and relationships with those women. Although I've found as I got better, or more confident I went after what I thought would make me happy. Turned out a really pretty girl was not the answer.

Yet every time I've relaxed my physical standards, I've been burned for it. Either she stops keeping up her side, or I become less interested in putting up with her bs.

Eventually the fairy tale ends, so why deal with less than you're capable of. Why settle when it comes to settling down?

Aside from all the general problems with relationships, I just don't know if I can be in one without eventually resenting the chick.

Greener grass situation.

WIA

[Deluge]

(02-22-2015 01:17 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 12:43 AM)AfgScarface Wrote:  

Also tying into this, I believe that I am reaching that much talked about "asshole plateau". Asshole game helped me break out of beta mode and bag some of those 6's and 7's. But now that I have a much improved style, haircut, posture and body language, asshole game is affecting them negatively and im just coming off as a jerk. The bad kind.

I'm so glad you brought this up. The reason "asshole game" doesn't work with a higher level of sophistication and presentation is simply because it's incongruent.

It's like a pretty girl with a shitty attitude. If she's pretty and sweet, she can literally have whatever she wants, so what reason does she have to walk around being a bitch for?

That's how people look at you. You look like someone who has something going in his life, so why are you mad?

It is easy to end up "overgaming" when you've improved your looks. The problem is it can take a while for you to adjust your mentally image of yourself. When you've spent most of your life being below average looking, it is very easy to forget or not even realize that you are now above average looking.

[Beau]

(02-22-2015 12:43 AM)AfgScarface Wrote:  

Also tying into this, I believe that I am reaching that much talked about "asshole plateau". Asshole game helped me break out of beta mode and bag some of those 6's and 7's. But now that I have a much improved style, haircut, posture and body language, asshole game is affecting them negatively and im just coming off as a jerk. The bad kind.

With the 7.5-8 girls, for the most part they actually eat my asshole game up A LOT. But I lack the level of calibration that I feel is necessary to sustain this type of game with 8's. For example ill tease an 8 and push her buttons really hard and she's loving it all and then ill say or do one particular thing that was just one step too far and lose the interaction completely.

So, in short, yes to both. But this style of game won't work for me any longer.

This applies for me as well. I've been having to tone down the asshole game as I've been experiencing rapidly diminished returns. I've opted to head the aloof route and found that it can balances things out, but I still cannot reach that level of ease I had before the plateau.

For the quality of ladies, I have to say that game has made it child's play in picking up what I used to shoot for and it has given me the confidence to approach ones I wouldn't have considered pre-red pill. So I think the quality has definitely gone up just from approaches but the most significant is the ease with which those approaches happen.

[Ingocnito]

Well if you mean my main chick, not a ton. Actually, like many, after I dumped her ass for not meeting my standards she got her shit together, another man's trash theory kicks in during her abandonment desperation to replace me. However, I'm definitely in greater contact, be it physically, verbally, or socially, etc. with regularly better looking women and in higher numbers at will.

My closest friends, who 5 years ago would Ooo and Ahhh over me getting a hot broad, now expect that I'll always have a good lookin girl on my arm.

Overall I've been surprised to discover how much less than I expected better looking girls are in bed. They all really do need to be taught and submitted by an experienced man to progress themselves sexually. And all of them yearn for this. I've also started to gauge a women's sexiness less by her ability to dress up and look hot, but how sexy they are naked only.

If a women meets a general standard I have to be well kept, clean and fresh, and life in order and not a BPD wacko, how sexy she is when I'm fucking her is basically all that counts much to me anymore, and yes, that has improved notably since learning game.

[kaotic]

(09-27-2010 12:13 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

So here's my question to you guys:
Has game helped improve the quality of the chicks you get with, or are you basically going after what you could have gotten with before, but with more ease?

YES.

I looked back at previous bangs and where I am now.

I can confidently say game has improved the quality of women I am with now.

I can also say my main I'm with now quality has increased over time as well, as far as enjoying me, not giving me any friction, sexual activities, it's great.

When I was young I didn't know much quality when I saw it, I jumped at signs of IOI from any girl and would bang them.

Nowadays, I have a fine filter of what I want in a main girl, and what I'll accept for a DTF girl.

[Giovonny]

Hell-fucking-yes!!!

I got into game so I could get younger, hotter, and sexier women.

The results have been slow but steady:

7 years ago, I could barely pull a 30 year old "6". I was a little awkward, I dressed like shit, I was too serious, my game was bad.

Last year, I pulled a variety of 18, 19, 20, and 21 year olds. All of them were 7 or higher, except one that was 6.5

I can't believe that I pulled a few 18 year olds "8s"! It almost feels surreal to me. In fact, the first few times, when I took their clothes off, it did feel surreal to me.

What an amazing journey this has been!

When I was 32, I wanted the ability to get young, hot, college girls. Now, at 39, I got it!

It feels amazing! One of the greatest accomplishments of my life! Thanks to this forum!

Kerouac was one of the first guys that I connected with!

[The Beast1]

Yes, but it hasn't made those "hot" women something I want to be with over the long term. :/

[MMM]

Another WIA gem " Why settle when it comes to settling down?" Exactly.

[kerouac]

Wow, it's a trip having all these old threads pop up.

Since I'm here, might as well answer the question I posed 5 years ago!

HELL YES, GAME HELPS!

Even though Game becomes instinctual after a certain point (you get a certain big of game "muscle memory"), it is still there, and it is undeniable.

The level of girls I have been getting is significantly better than when I had started with all this stuff. The ability to read a girl's "tells" has increased tremendously.

When I look at the guys I grew up with, and where they are now, it is undeniable. Game helps. Most of those guys still haven't taken the red pill, and in my opinion, are not as happy because of it.

And big shout out to Gio! He has shown that being cool and taking care of yourself goes a long way.

[Sourcecode]

I wouldnt say game..increases the hotness of the chick...but the confidence that comes from having game.

Starting out...I just went after whatever I could get..Practice.
But after a while I had more confidence to go for those hotter girls. Even if I got blown out..I had the confidence to not care and be able to move on if a stunner blew me out.

[ManVsMachine]

Still attracting the same women, just better able to close. I'm not on some gmanifesto level of game though, nor do I have the ability to get to there.

[Remington]

Started seeing all the social cues that women give if they show interest. I do sometimes take asshole game a little too far and mess up a few opportunities. The thing that I have learned is to not care. If I fuck up, oh well, learn from my mistakes. Constant improvement has caused me to be more successful. Quality and quantity have both increased.

[Laner]

I have always thought of sexy and attractive as two different qualities.

Barring two years, I never had too much of a problem getting women I thought were attractive. I went for the ones I liked, and often enough, would get them.

Sexy was different. I did not have the experience and education to deal with a sexy woman. I would get eaten up essentially. The playful banter and knife edge sexual whisperings would pass over my head. I realize now that these young sexy girls were being educated by older players in the way of seduction.

So now its my turn to teach the young girls this art.

[Ingocnito]

(02-23-2015 08:47 PM)Remington Wrote:  

.... I do sometimes take asshole game a little too far and mess up a few opportunities. The thing that I have learned is to not care....

I too have idled back my asshole game. My negs are more light hearted and less frequent, and sniper style instead of continuous and aggressive.

Hotter women are such fickle creatures, you really have to read if they'll be receptive to asshole game on an incident-by-incident basis.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Absolutely, but in a different way. I've swamped by work and academics so my opening rate hasn't been up to par lately. However, my active FWBs have been making a consistent effort to make themselves hotter.

Girl #1 has been actively dressing better when I'm in public with her, meaning cleaning up, smelling nice and switching those atrocious hairy viking boots for sandals.

Girl #2 was a bit of a cardio chubby bunny. Now she's switching to some sweet potato diet, lost a good ten pounds in 3 months.

God bless everybody here and good hunting.

[WALLOM]

I think brushing up on game techniques has improved the quality (and quantity, when necessary) of the girls I've notched.

For starters, I finally motivated myself to end an insufferably long four year LTR with an 6/10 "good girl" who needed to be constantly spoiled and pampered. I realize what a mistake that was, and have received nothing but praise from friends for breaking it off before the summer started (Side note: not sure where they were when I was balls deep in the middle of this relationshit, but thanks guys...). During the last few months I had worked on my body, dropping 30 lbs, grabbed fresh threads, started eating better on a consistent basis. This made for the perfect bridge to spin plates.

After the break-up, I decided to play the field for a while. Messed around with some fresh outta high school girls (two 8/10's and one 7/10) who happened to be friends with one of my long-time girl friends (she gave me plenty of social proof). Over the course of the summer I notched two other girls off Tinder, managed them as plates for a couple months, and finally dropped them after getting into another LTR.

My current relationship is with a 28 year old, smart, vegetarian, workout fiend. We have a good "Captain/First Mate" dynamic, and she loves letting me dominate her in the sack, which I also am fond of. She's easily a 9/10 (especially for central-Maine), works a great job, and has a very good head on her shoulders with minor headaches (family issues, but I can overlook them).

I mostly just lurk on these boards, but you guys are a godsend.

[Downtown]

What its done most for me is help me to understand who I am compatible with - and then to not be afraid to get it