[nek]

How do you guys cope with feminists that are in your workplace and in your social circle? I normally just ignore as much as possible but sometimes I get dragged into their crap whether I want to be or not. Furthermore, they like to berate men and the moment I say something about it they go nuclear (even at work). Basically, what helps you be as non-reactive to them as possible? I'm good at this most the time, but sometimes it's just too much and I have to say something (in a controlled manner, but then they escalate).

Don't just say "get a new job" or "get new friends". I get it, I should strive to work for myself, but as of now I got to make do with my circumstances and as for the social circle thing, the rest of them are fine, but there are a couple that are adamant about ball-busting and trying to mock guys at every chance they get. The worst part is there are some nice and cute girls in the group but these other girls are constantly trying to get you to react. Thanks in advance.

[pump_and_romance]

Feminists aren't interested in rational discussion. Don't engage with them.

I just say stuff like "Feminism is awesome, I especially love the abundant sex part."

CH talked about this: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/04/1...shit-test/

[Nolecbo]

I don't talk about anything personal at work with my coworkers. That is what friends are for; smartphones and texting means I have a social outlet if I need one.

It isn't your company, it is their company. If management/HR chooses to run it in a stupid way they have every right to, it is theirs not yours.

Even though I am upper management, people don't approach me about non-work subjects because I don't engage them. I am friendly, personable, remember kids and husband and names and sicknesses, etc, but if someone asks about my life they are likely to hear about a management article I read recently and what-do-you-think about the authors conclusion?

This approach has paid off in spades. One time a girl didn't like her performance review so she filed a harassment complaint. During the investigation the women both above and below me savaged her, resulting in a career stall and ultimately in her leaving the company a few months later.

[Fitzgerald]

At work, ignore. In social settings, who cares? I like to go full Dick Masterson on dyke friends of friends.

[Baldwin81]

RE: Work

I want to preface this by saying that the end goal should probably be to do your own thing so as to not be in the insecure, emotional minefield that is workplace feminism. Still, say you learned as much (from this corner of the web) too late and need to stack some money as a cushion for future opportunity...

1. Feminist Superiors:

- First, do your work, do it well, and make life easier for them. Everything else hinges upon this first point. Let them take the credit, too. If down the line you're not rewarded for this work, well, see the above preface...

- What will invariably happen if you do the first bit is that you'll become something of a confidant, a sounding board. At first it'll be work-related but this will quickly switch personnel conversation (read: gossip) and her own issues. When the conversation is work-related you'll want to listen, listen well, and provide a solution (again, you're making her life easier). When it comes to gossip and her own issues you've got to be economical with your words and again listen (see a pattern?), but feed back what she's saying. Remember: She's your boss and she's seeking validation. The last thing you're there to do is enlighten her with your red-pill wisdom.

With male superiors discussion is usually straightforward. Throw all of this out the window with your feminist boss. She wants to "communicate," aka she wants to talk. If she's doing 70 percent of the talking and you're doing 30 percent (80/20's even better) then you're doing it correctly.

The trap here is that you may feel confident in discussing some personal issues you're going through. Issues, as it were, that show you in a weak spot. Never do this. While it's good to sprinkle in a tiny amount of vulnerability, if you're wondering whether it's too much then you probably shouldn't. As everyone here knows, women (feminist or otherwise) despise weak men. Also, do not discuss your player exploits no matter how BFF your relationship may seem.

In short, with your feminist boss you'll want to play the greater-beta. In pop culture think Jim from The Office (Tim for our friends across the pond). I hate those two characters with a passion but, hey, gotta get paid...

This goes without saying, but it helps to be decent looking, in-shape, and not dressed like a total dweeb. She is, after all, a woman and most likely your male co-workers will be obsequious slobs. If there's a hint of (always unspoken) sexual tension then you're doing it more right than you can imagine. The tension is never ever to be discussed and by staying in your greater beta role odds are it won't.

- Feminist Co-Workers:

Don't bang them. Ever. If you do, no matter what happens to your employment-status, everyone will know.

With these girls you want to be a standard gentleman. At the same time, draw a line with subservience to your female co-workers. You'll be fine, because you're in good with the Queen Bee and women inevitably all wind up hating each other anyway. Under no circumstance do you shit talk the Queen Bee with female (or male) co-workers. She will find out and you'll ruin your relationship with the bosslady.

When any feminist (co-worker, superior, subordinate) shit tests your go to response should be agree and amplify. No matter how tight your "negs" are understand that you're in an emotional minefield and at a legal disadvantage. Besides, you've got work to do...

Subordinates:

Don't bang them. Ever. If you do, no matter what happens to your employment-status, everyone will know.

Busting out a humblebrag here, I did this. Everyone knew, but the only reason nothing happened was because I was doing well in sales. Off-topic, if you're in sales and bringing in $$ you can get away with damn near anything. Still, not worth it...

In my experience, subordinates won't shit test you quite as much as co-workers. Some will of course and, again, agree and amplify. With both co-workers and subordinates you should give off a vibe that you're here to do work. No need to be dickish - just a gentlemanly, professional demeanor. As mentioned above, with the Queen Bee you can discuss some personal issues that paint you in a positive light, sprinkled a small bit of vulnerability. With co-workers and subordinates you'll want to keep this to the bare minimum no matter how "cool" they seem (they're not).

If you're ever at an office function involving alcohol make sure you slow-drink (or don't drink at all) and bounce early. This shouldn't be too difficult because these functions are wack. Also, by doing all of the above correctly, these women are going to be intrigued by you. Throw in some alcohol, some flirtation, and even if nothing happens understand that an office gossips as much as a small, rural town.

Socially:

Hell, as long as the girl's got no connection to your work just have more game than Parker Brothers, pump, dump, and don't get her pregnant.

If it's some catlady, "politically aware," feminist and you want to be contrarian then channel your inner Christopher Hitchens and go-ahead.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I worked in a newsroom for years. Feminism runs rampant in the newspaper industry.

How did I avoid them? Before I really knew much about feminism I did it inadvertently. None of them were good looking and if they were halfway decent, they were weird in a creepy way. So it never even occurred to my younger self to engage with these women.

Instead I ventured out of my department to fuck the very non-feminist hotties in ad design and accounting. Which I did, I'm happy to say.

Funny sidenote: the one in accounting -- who I later married -- was such a strident Republican and pro-lifer that she caused one of the feminists in my department to almost have a breakdown when they had a debate about abortion in the lunchroom. From that point on, the feminist refused to speak to her -- at all. This had the unintended effect of totally alienating the feminists from me since they thought I was "sleeping with the enemy." So I didn't have to avoid them. They steered clear of me. Hahahaha.

[Barron]

(08-03-2013 03:53 PM)Nolecbo Wrote:  

I don't talk about anything personal at work with my coworkers. That is what friends are for; smartphones and texting means I have a social outlet if I need one.

It isn't your company, it is their company. If management/HR chooses to run it in a stupid way they have every right to, it is theirs not yours.

Even though I am upper management, people don't approach me about non-work subjects because I don't engage them. I am friendly, personable, remember kids and husband and names and sicknesses, etc, but if someone asks about my life they are likely to hear about a management article I read recently and what-do-you-think about the authors conclusion?

This approach has paid off in spades. One time a girl didn't like her performance review so she filed a harassment complaint. During the investigation the women both above and below me savaged her, resulting in a career stall and ultimately in her leaving the company a few months later.

I like your style bro. Especially your "My avatar is my latest" I think I'm going to adopt that. Thanks for the advice

[Sonsowey]

(08-03-2013 03:53 PM)Nolecbo Wrote:  

Even though I am upper management, people don't approach me about non-work subjects because I don't engage them. I am friendly, personable, remember kids and husband and names and sicknesses, etc, but if someone asks about my life they are likely to hear about a management article I read recently and what-do-you-think about the authors conclusion?

Doesn't this become exhausting?

Covering up yourself all the time, putting on a facade the majority of your life, doesn't it grate on you?

[Lufty]

(08-06-2013 05:01 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Doesn't this become exhausting?
Covering up yourself all the time, putting on a facade the majority of your life, doesn't it grate on you?

I would look at it as being professional. You are there to work, not talk about controversial topics. For better or worse manosphere views aren't widely accepted in mainstream culture and as those views/lifestyle choices tend to encompass a wide variety of personal aspects that might come up in conversation.

It's just easier to avoid it all together. Being too open would just cause a needless conflict that could easily end badly for you.

[Nolecbo]

(08-06-2013 05:01 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 03:53 PM)Nolecbo Wrote:  

Even though I am upper management, people don't approach me about non-work subjects because I don't engage them. I am friendly, personable, remember kids and husband and names and sicknesses, etc, but if someone asks about my life they are likely to hear about a management article I read recently and what-do-you-think about the authors conclusion?

Doesn't this become exhausting?

Covering up yourself all the time, putting on a facade the majority of your life, doesn't it grate on you?

Think of it as focus.

In 8 hours of work most women at my office work for 4 hours and gossip for 4 hours. I double their productivity. For them to do 8 hours of work usually requires 14 hours at the office.

I would rather be running with my dog or at a bar with friends.

[The Beast1]

Reading this thread, there is something wrong.

Women (and feminists) respond very positively to alpha males in the work place. In fact, if you dress well, can hold a conversation, and have some athleticism you will do just fine.

Most women in the work place are very set in their routines. While they may be rampant feminists, you can still flirt with them and they'll let you do what you want.

If you're getting sh!t tested in the office, you aren't doing office politics right and you most likely aren't in the right social climate. Don't be afraid to call others out for lack of respect. I enjoy doing that.

Much like relationships, the person that cares the least will do the best. If you approach work like you don't need the job then people will begin to treat you differently.