Anyone used any SEO Companies they can recommend for highly competitive niches?
Or anyone on here?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Or anyone on here?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
SEO Company Recomendations
I had a website years ago where I sold a book that I wrote & self published and which I did SEO on myself. I got it to the #2 spot on Google's results for a 3 word phrase (like "advanced pickup techniques" or "international pickup techniques") in around 2-3 months. And I used SEO techniques that were legal - meaning no hidden keywords at the bottom of the page or keywords in the same color font as the background, etc. Can't say however if I can duplicate those results now since Google has changed it algorithm several times since then.
Do you have a specific keyword(s) or phrase you want to be top at? If you want, after you do your research on these SEO companies, IM me the top 3 and I can review them for you.
Do you have a specific keyword(s) or phrase you want to be top at? If you want, after you do your research on these SEO companies, IM me the top 3 and I can review them for you.
If you have money to spend, and want to go to the premier agencies as recommended by SEOMoz, look no further:
http://moz.com/community/recommended
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G, me and my business partner run a SEO company. Right now we're doing SEO for another forum member.
Your PM box is full, but send me a PM or email.
Your PM box is full, but send me a PM or email.
TorontoKid likes men. But that aside, his SEO company is solid. They do great work.
G,
SEO companies are not worth it, specially now in light of the latest Google Panda which reset and screwed up 99.99% of all the sites out there. Specially sites with crappy or questionable content. Big G (Google) only cares and wants to have and index (that is rank) high quality sites with top notch content. If I were you, I'd spent the money on a) getting a top notch writer to write you top notch content and b) spend money on paid traffic like PPC, Bing, FB or offline if your product is very specific and on the high end. Much much better investment and ROI than SEO companies. Plus it's INFINITELY faster to see results with paid traffic than SEO organic one. While SEO organic traffic is nice and dandy, the real $$$ is in paid traffic. With paid traffic you see result (traffic and sales) within minutes of the ad going live while with SEO, it takes months to see any action if any at all.
All in all, I wouldn't spend or rather waste a penny on a so called SEO companies. For what they charge, the ROI is not worth it. You can get a much better ROI and much much faster with paid traffic.
For someone who might be just starting out with limited to no marketing funds, SEO could make sense as they have more time than money. But for someone like you, who has money and wants to get things going asap, then paid traffic is where it's at.
Good luck man.
SEO companies are not worth it, specially now in light of the latest Google Panda which reset and screwed up 99.99% of all the sites out there. Specially sites with crappy or questionable content. Big G (Google) only cares and wants to have and index (that is rank) high quality sites with top notch content. If I were you, I'd spent the money on a) getting a top notch writer to write you top notch content and b) spend money on paid traffic like PPC, Bing, FB or offline if your product is very specific and on the high end. Much much better investment and ROI than SEO companies. Plus it's INFINITELY faster to see results with paid traffic than SEO organic one. While SEO organic traffic is nice and dandy, the real $$$ is in paid traffic. With paid traffic you see result (traffic and sales) within minutes of the ad going live while with SEO, it takes months to see any action if any at all.
All in all, I wouldn't spend or rather waste a penny on a so called SEO companies. For what they charge, the ROI is not worth it. You can get a much better ROI and much much faster with paid traffic.
For someone who might be just starting out with limited to no marketing funds, SEO could make sense as they have more time than money. But for someone like you, who has money and wants to get things going asap, then paid traffic is where it's at.
Good luck man.
I completely disagree with you VP, practically on every point.
"it takes months to see any action if any at all." Completely wrong! You can purchase backlinks from high DA/PA/PR websites that have millions of backlinks to sky rocket your site's rankings for every keyword.
You could even purchase SAPE links and buy into private blog networks, if you really wanted to rank your site quickly. Google wouldn't touch, if you had a decent amount of content on the website.
If I were you G, I would definitely focus my efforts more on SEO.
"it takes months to see any action if any at all." Completely wrong! You can purchase backlinks from high DA/PA/PR websites that have millions of backlinks to sky rocket your site's rankings for every keyword.
You could even purchase SAPE links and buy into private blog networks, if you really wanted to rank your site quickly. Google wouldn't touch, if you had a decent amount of content on the website.
If I were you G, I would definitely focus my efforts more on SEO.
IM,
Yes you can purchase backlinks and all that. However, it would give you a temporary boost till the next Big G update (and god knows they're becoming more and more frequent nowadays) and after that, poof, you'd be sand boxed again where you'd be relegated back into oblivion and be back at square 0.
I might consider a 10% SEO and 90% paid traffic but that's the farthest into SEO I'd venture.
Does SEO work? Yes.
Is it fast? No.
Is it a good long term strategy? Depends totally on the quality of the content on your site.
That's why I said above that the first thing I'd recommend is to have a top notch writer to write top notch content for your site. And speaking of top notch writers, there are a few on this very site. If I were to recommend one, I'd go with Beyond Borders. He is a top notch writer.
I'm not a big fan of SEO for the very simple reason that I prefer to see action asap. And with SEO, you better be very patient before you see any action.
I'm not saying you cannot get results with SEO. You can. However, what you'd be able to achieve with paid advertising in a day or two, would take you weeks if not months with SEO.
I value my time more than money, hence why I'm such a big advocate of paid traffic as I can see results almost instantly as soon as the ad goes live. Try that with SEO.
Yes you can purchase backlinks and all that. However, it would give you a temporary boost till the next Big G update (and god knows they're becoming more and more frequent nowadays) and after that, poof, you'd be sand boxed again where you'd be relegated back into oblivion and be back at square 0.
I might consider a 10% SEO and 90% paid traffic but that's the farthest into SEO I'd venture.
Does SEO work? Yes.
Is it fast? No.
Is it a good long term strategy? Depends totally on the quality of the content on your site.
That's why I said above that the first thing I'd recommend is to have a top notch writer to write top notch content for your site. And speaking of top notch writers, there are a few on this very site. If I were to recommend one, I'd go with Beyond Borders. He is a top notch writer.
I'm not a big fan of SEO for the very simple reason that I prefer to see action asap. And with SEO, you better be very patient before you see any action.
I'm not saying you cannot get results with SEO. You can. However, what you'd be able to achieve with paid advertising in a day or two, would take you weeks if not months with SEO.
I value my time more than money, hence why I'm such a big advocate of paid traffic as I can see results almost instantly as soon as the ad goes live. Try that with SEO.
Sent you a PM.
EDIT: Sent email.
EDIT: Sent email.
Quote: (07-24-2013 11:27 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:
IM,
Yes you can purchase backlinks and all that. However, it would give you a temporary boost till the next Big G update (and god knows they're becoming more and more frequent nowadays) and after that, poof, you'd be sand boxed again where you'd be relegated back into oblivion and be back at square 0.
I might consider a 10% SEO and 90% paid traffic but that's the farthest into SEO I'd venture.
Does SEO work? Yes.
Is it fast? No.
Is it a good long term strategy? Depends totally on the quality of the content on your site.
That's why I said above that the first thing I'd recommend is to have a top notch writer to write top notch content for your site. And speaking of top notch writers, there are a few on this very site. If I were to recommend one, I'd go with Beyond Borders. He is a top notch writer.
I'm not a big fan of SEO for the very simple reason that I prefer to see action asap. And with SEO, you better be very patient before you see any action.
I'm not saying you cannot get results with SEO. You can. However, what you'd be able to achieve with paid advertising in a day or two, would take you weeks if not months with SEO.
I value my time more than money, hence why I'm such a big advocate of paid traffic as I can see results almost instantly as soon as the ad goes live. Try that with SEO.
"However, it would give you a temporary boost till the next Big G update"
Links from super-authority sites do not give you a temporary boost, their effectiveness lasts indefinitely.
I'm not talking about buying link packages for like 1,000 links for $100.
What I'm talking about is: Buying 1 Link from a website for $500-1000+ that is a super-authority.
I understand where you're coming from, because I'm almost certain you've never purchased these types of links. They will literally skyrocket your site to the rankings and last permanently, unlike paid advertising.
If G wants to promote his blog or another website that provides informational content, then I say find a guy who knows SEO!
If you are pushing a service or a product, use both! Paid advertising for initial traffic and constantly work on SEO for organic traffic later.
Quote: (07-24-2013 10:48 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:
G,
SEO companies are not worth it, specially now in light of the latest Google Panda which reset and screwed up 99.99% of all the sites out there. Specially sites with crappy or questionable content. Big G (Google) only cares and wants to have and index (that is rank) high quality sites with top notch content. If I were you, I'd spent the money on a) getting a top notch writer to write you top notch content and b) spend money on paid traffic like PPC, Bing, FB or offline if your product is very specific and on the high end. Much much better investment and ROI than SEO companies. Plus it's INFINITELY faster to see results with paid traffic than SEO organic one. While SEO organic traffic is nice and dandy, the real $$$ is in paid traffic. With paid traffic you see result (traffic and sales) within minutes of the ad going live while with SEO, it takes months to see any action if any at all.
All in all, I wouldn't spend or rather waste a penny on a so called SEO companies. For what they charge, the ROI is not worth it. You can get a much better ROI and much much faster with paid traffic.
For someone who might be just starting out with limited to no marketing funds, SEO could make sense as they have more time than money. But for someone like you, who has money and wants to get things going asap, then paid traffic is where it's at.
Good luck man.
New Panda was odd, but people who know what's up weren't devistated.
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Quote: (07-24-2013 11:52 PM)InternetMarketer Wrote:
Quote: (07-24-2013 11:27 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:
IM,
Yes you can purchase backlinks and all that. However, it would give you a temporary boost till the next Big G update (and god knows they're becoming more and more frequent nowadays) and after that, poof, you'd be sand boxed again where you'd be relegated back into oblivion and be back at square 0.
I might consider a 10% SEO and 90% paid traffic but that's the farthest into SEO I'd venture.
Does SEO work? Yes.
Is it fast? No.
Is it a good long term strategy? Depends totally on the quality of the content on your site.
That's why I said above that the first thing I'd recommend is to have a top notch writer to write top notch content for your site. And speaking of top notch writers, there are a few on this very site. If I were to recommend one, I'd go with Beyond Borders. He is a top notch writer.
I'm not a big fan of SEO for the very simple reason that I prefer to see action asap. And with SEO, you better be very patient before you see any action.
I'm not saying you cannot get results with SEO. You can. However, what you'd be able to achieve with paid advertising in a day or two, would take you weeks if not months with SEO.
I value my time more than money, hence why I'm such a big advocate of paid traffic as I can see results almost instantly as soon as the ad goes live. Try that with SEO.
"However, it would give you a temporary boost till the next Big G update"
Links from super-authority sites do not give you a temporary boost, their effectiveness lasts indefinitely.
I'm not talking about buying link packages for like 1,000 links for $100.
What I'm talking about is: Buying 1 Link from a website for $500-1000+ that is a super-authority.
I understand where you're coming from, because I'm almost certain you've never purchased these types of links. They will literally skyrocket your site to the rankings and last permanently, unlike paid advertising.
If G wants to promote his blog or another website that provides informational content, then I say find a guy who knows SEO!
If you are pushing a service or a product, use both! Paid advertising for initial traffic and constantly work on SEO for organic traffic later.
If you're buying links for 500-1k...you can land it yourself for under 200, always.
Only exception is "renting" links from massive news websites.
Lol, yeah right. Try buying a link from health.com for $200. They wouldn't even talk to you.
VP, gotta disagree.
SEO isn't just buying blog network links which will get you penalized. That's a riskier strategy. When I offer SEO to my clients its a whole host of on-site and off-site site strategies.
When you have a squeaky clean link profile Google will not penalize you.
That doesn't mean you don't do SEO at all, it means you strategically acquire links that will help you. It also means awesome content on the site, as well as proper on-site optimization.
Think guest posting, link bait, well built high PR pumper domains, high quality newspaper links, press releases, high quality web 2.0s, industry white papers etc.
Yeah this will take longer, but you won't be fucked by Google. Greyhat still works, and Google's algorithm is easily gameable. For maximum safety though, I'd go with creating a link profile would pass a Google manual reviewer's checklist. That also means having the right big brand signals on your site.
An awesome post on how to make a site "big-brandish"-
http://www.wickedfire.com/enlightened-me...esent.html
OF course in some other niches you'll have to go with greyhat strategies since it'll be very difficult for a new site to break into the rankings without spammy SEO. There's plenty of sites that have ranked with SAPE/private blog network links. There are entire niches that have people ranking with spam/blog network links.
SEO isn't just buying blog network links which will get you penalized. That's a riskier strategy. When I offer SEO to my clients its a whole host of on-site and off-site site strategies.
When you have a squeaky clean link profile Google will not penalize you.
That doesn't mean you don't do SEO at all, it means you strategically acquire links that will help you. It also means awesome content on the site, as well as proper on-site optimization.
Think guest posting, link bait, well built high PR pumper domains, high quality newspaper links, press releases, high quality web 2.0s, industry white papers etc.
Yeah this will take longer, but you won't be fucked by Google. Greyhat still works, and Google's algorithm is easily gameable. For maximum safety though, I'd go with creating a link profile would pass a Google manual reviewer's checklist. That also means having the right big brand signals on your site.
An awesome post on how to make a site "big-brandish"-
http://www.wickedfire.com/enlightened-me...esent.html
OF course in some other niches you'll have to go with greyhat strategies since it'll be very difficult for a new site to break into the rankings without spammy SEO. There's plenty of sites that have ranked with SAPE/private blog network links. There are entire niches that have people ranking with spam/blog network links.
VP, honestly bro you're not making much sense.
You say, "I might consider a 10% SEO and 90% paid traffic but that's the farthest into SEO I'd venture.
Does SEO work? Yes. Is it fast? No. Is it a good long term strategy? Depends totally on the quality of the content on your site."
You are criticizing something for not being fast and then talking about long-term strategies? Aren't those concepts usually mutual exclusive?
Also, your paid campaign requires constant changes and updates. If a keyword becomes hot, the bidding goes up and you might get priced out of it.
The site I run required some up front work. I now spend less than 20 minutes a week on it.
It's not making me a fortune, but I don't work that hard on it.
If I worked harder, my results would be even better.
I only built the site as a mental challenge. I like doing logic puzzles and wanted to see what I could come up with.
My SEO is effective because my content is good. I only used Yoast SEO to help me tweek it a bit.
For reference: I was getting 3,000 page views a day. Then a Google update dropped me to 750. Now it's back up to 1,500.
That's not a monster traffic but if I wanted to, I could build a dozen more sites like it, using what I learned about SEO.
Or I could write even more content.
I also have almost no backlinks to the site.
I could even do YouTube videos for the SEO boost, and use YouTube to create a synergy with the blog.
IOW, I have not even scratches the surface of SEO and it's brining in money consistently and gets a decent amount of page views for something I built for fun.
So what you are saying is not only logically inconsistent, but is also contradicted by my personal experience.
You say, "I might consider a 10% SEO and 90% paid traffic but that's the farthest into SEO I'd venture.
Does SEO work? Yes. Is it fast? No. Is it a good long term strategy? Depends totally on the quality of the content on your site."
You are criticizing something for not being fast and then talking about long-term strategies? Aren't those concepts usually mutual exclusive?
Also, your paid campaign requires constant changes and updates. If a keyword becomes hot, the bidding goes up and you might get priced out of it.
The site I run required some up front work. I now spend less than 20 minutes a week on it.
It's not making me a fortune, but I don't work that hard on it.
If I worked harder, my results would be even better.
I only built the site as a mental challenge. I like doing logic puzzles and wanted to see what I could come up with.
My SEO is effective because my content is good. I only used Yoast SEO to help me tweek it a bit.
For reference: I was getting 3,000 page views a day. Then a Google update dropped me to 750. Now it's back up to 1,500.
That's not a monster traffic but if I wanted to, I could build a dozen more sites like it, using what I learned about SEO.
Or I could write even more content.
I also have almost no backlinks to the site.
I could even do YouTube videos for the SEO boost, and use YouTube to create a synergy with the blog.
IOW, I have not even scratches the surface of SEO and it's brining in money consistently and gets a decent amount of page views for something I built for fun.
So what you are saying is not only logically inconsistent, but is also contradicted by my personal experience.
Paid traffic vs SEO depends on your niche, competition, price of paid traffic vs buying links, conversions, profit .argins, etc.
One isnt better than the other, it is situational.
VP is correct, but he is referring to mostly low level links. Stay away from anything easy to get or automated. Buying links is undetectable, as long as you get them from legit sites. I.E. donate money to a charity and they write about it, giving you a link. Paying for a guest post, or to have a product reviewed on a major site, paying a site like health.comentioned above to include a link in one of their artciles, etc.
All high value links that Google could never detect were paid. Its what all of the big websites do. Give away free shit for reviews and bscklinks, pay for them, partnerships, etc.
SEO definitely works, and it doesn't always mean spammy links. Comission a very interesting study around your topic snd get tons of links when people cite and write about it. That is legit SEO, and that stuff works.
As far as companies, I've never used one. Pointblankseo.com had some good articles I read yesterday. He seems to know what he's doing, and has a professional site. May be a good option to look into.
Also, if there is heavy competition for your keyword, and not much traffic, you may need to rethink your traffic strategy. Google isn't always the best way to get traffic.
One isnt better than the other, it is situational.
VP is correct, but he is referring to mostly low level links. Stay away from anything easy to get or automated. Buying links is undetectable, as long as you get them from legit sites. I.E. donate money to a charity and they write about it, giving you a link. Paying for a guest post, or to have a product reviewed on a major site, paying a site like health.comentioned above to include a link in one of their artciles, etc.
All high value links that Google could never detect were paid. Its what all of the big websites do. Give away free shit for reviews and bscklinks, pay for them, partnerships, etc.
SEO definitely works, and it doesn't always mean spammy links. Comission a very interesting study around your topic snd get tons of links when people cite and write about it. That is legit SEO, and that stuff works.
As far as companies, I've never used one. Pointblankseo.com had some good articles I read yesterday. He seems to know what he's doing, and has a professional site. May be a good option to look into.
Also, if there is heavy competition for your keyword, and not much traffic, you may need to rethink your traffic strategy. Google isn't always the best way to get traffic.
Quote: (07-24-2013 11:08 PM)InternetMarketer Wrote:
I completely disagree with you VP, practically on every point.
"it takes months to see any action if any at all." Completely wrong! You can purchase backlinks from high DA/PA/PR websites that have millions of backlinks to sky rocket your site's rankings for every keyword.
You could even purchase SAPE links and buy into private blog networks, if you really wanted to rank your site quickly. Google wouldn't touch, if you had a decent amount of content on the website.
If I were you G, I would definitely focus my efforts more on SEO.
Thoughts on this?
Google Penalizes Another Link Network: SAPE Links Mar 7, 2013
Quote: (07-25-2013 08:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Quote: (07-24-2013 11:08 PM)InternetMarketer Wrote:
I completely disagree with you VP, practically on every point.
"it takes months to see any action if any at all." Completely wrong! You can purchase backlinks from high DA/PA/PR websites that have millions of backlinks to sky rocket your site's rankings for every keyword.
You could even purchase SAPE links and buy into private blog networks, if you really wanted to rank your site quickly. Google wouldn't touch, if you had a decent amount of content on the website.
If I were you G, I would definitely focus my efforts more on SEO.
Thoughts on this?
Google Penalizes Another Link Network: SAPE Links Mar 7, 2013
The SEO advice here is unsavory.
SAPE links are for people who can't build links.
While a truly private network is an asset, most "private networks" are dropped domains purchased for the sake of the existing link profile and/or pagerank. What was on the domain previously? Likely, not what's on there now. Are all previous pages still up or at the very least redirected to the homepage? Probably not. If I can figure it out it under 30 seconds, so can the engineers in Google's web spam dept.
I've got plenty of churn and burn properties that drive revenue, but legit businesses will ALWAYS get slapped for this, eventually.
A link profile built entirely on paid links is weak strategy. Please, keep doing it. You enable me to double consulting fees every year.
Even if you're buying environmental links that may initially pass manual review, websites that sell links/advertorials can go from great to whored out in a matter of weeks.
I am a firm believer that the tortoise beats the hare, every time.
Quote: (07-25-2013 02:00 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:
Quote: (07-25-2013 08:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Quote: (07-24-2013 11:08 PM)InternetMarketer Wrote:
I completely disagree with you VP, practically on every point.
"it takes months to see any action if any at all." Completely wrong! You can purchase backlinks from high DA/PA/PR websites that have millions of backlinks to sky rocket your site's rankings for every keyword.
You could even purchase SAPE links and buy into private blog networks, if you really wanted to rank your site quickly. Google wouldn't touch, if you had a decent amount of content on the website.
If I were you G, I would definitely focus my efforts more on SEO.
Thoughts on this?
Google Penalizes Another Link Network: SAPE Links Mar 7, 2013
The SEO advice here is unsavory.
SAPE links are for people who can't build links.
While a truly private network is an asset, most "private networks" are dropped domains purchased for the sake of the existing link profile and/or pagerank. What was on the domain previously? Likely, not what's on there now. Are all previous pages still up or at the very least redirected to the homepage? Probably not. If I can figure it out it under 30 seconds, so can the engineers in Google's web spam dept.
I've got plenty of churn and burn properties that drive revenue, but legit businesses will ALWAYS get slapped for this, eventually.
A link profile built entirely on paid links is weak strategy. Please, keep doing it. You enable me to double consulting fees every year.
Even if you're buying environmental links that may initially pass manual review, websites that sell links/advertorials can go from great to whored out in a matter of weeks.
I am a firm believer that the tortoise beats the hare, every time.
To be honest though, you can acquire links from many major news sites with fairly low risk. Its not the news site itself that's selling the links, but rather editors/authors who write on there(usually individuals). If you have a high quality site its hard for anyone to suspect anything. I've seen my friends domains having links from extremely high quality high PR .edu pages just because they had a hookup of some sort or the other. You won't find these links publicly, but usually private skype chats etc.
Of course you do need due diligence to make sure the same author isn't whoring his column out to shitty sites.
Agree with you on SAPE links and most private blog networks being shit for anything beyond short term SEO. There's an art to creating pumper domains that give the appearance of being completely real sites.
Quote: (07-25-2013 08:09 PM)torontokid Wrote:
To be honest though, you can acquire links from many major news sites with fairly low risk. Its not the news site itself that's selling the links, but rather editors/authors who write on there(usually individuals). If you have a high quality site its hard for anyone to suspect anything. I've seen my friends domains having links from extremely high quality high PR .edu pages just because they had a hookup of some sort or the other. You won't find these links publicly, but usually private skype chats etc.
torontokid, you got some good link connects?
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